[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Definitely rolled my eyes at that. Just totally incongruous and not even badass enough to make up for it.
Loved that.
Yeah, I got that, just not why such a weapon would be in use.
Brothers Bloom is the most apt. I'm mostly eager about Johnson for his work on that one.
Moff
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Its not super obvious in the movie, but the general tone is everyone else knows more about her than she does.
Anyways here is a quote from the book
wow, that's certainly a game changer, so she was definitely a youngling a the academy, no doubt now
darkinstinct
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More like "body, don't fail me now, let's do this".
Monocle
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100% agreed.
Bobby Roberts
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Holy shit. The bolded hadn't even really occurred to me, and I was the one kinda pushing the theory upthread.
Anakin is Force Jesus. Even before he won that race, Qui Gon explained that he was losing up until then because he was having Force premonitions.
Last I checked, Rey isn't on Anakin level of Force Jesus.
Luke was never the type to make claims that weren't true. We have no reason to not believe he was that good of a pilot.
Hell, every Skywalker we know not named Leia is an ace pilot. Anakin was a top tier pilot. Luke was a top tier pilot. Now Rey.
Luke was a quick study with the training spheres. With Obiwan's Force Ghost helped him reach a calm state of mind, it's not at all ridiculous for him to make the shot.
And it was just that one shot. Which he claimed he could do based on similar experiences on Tatooine.
Luke had 4 years of learning and experience by the end of the OT. Rey didn't. They are not comparable, no matter how hard you try to force that comparison.
Ren had Luke. He now has Snoke. He is the leader of the Knights of Ren which Snoke seems to hold in high regard. He has been training and using the Force for years. He has been fighting with a lightsaber for years.
How is it so difficult for you to grasp that Rey beating him in the Force and combat just doesn't compute?
The films have gone out of their way to emphasise that using the Force takes time, patience and training.
The only person we know that was naturally and subconsciously good at it was Anakin, and he couldn't control it. He wasn't even aware of it. And he was Force Jesus.
Rey is not Anakin.
We saw Rey as a small child on Jakku. C'mon.
He seemed angry. That doesn't make him unhinged.
rubik's dude
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True, but he seemed in control at the time. In the movie, he'll have those temper tantrums, but he seemed calm when fighting Rey and Finn. He even had the peace of mind to offer Rey tutelage.
So we can't really attribute it to mental stress. Probably just one of those things that has to be ignored in order for the movie to work.
Jest Chillin
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He's shitty at Force Pulling. It's typically shown to be a fairly difficult thing to do, which is also supposed to illustrate how strong Rey's ability is.
As for why he didn't freeze them? The real answer is plot needed him not to. The in universe answer? Wasn't thinking clearly.
Here's an interesting fact about Mara Jade, Luke's lover and wife from the EU. She grew up in Coruscant, where people have English accents.
In fact, Obi Wan Kenobi is often described as someone who speaks with a "distinct Coruscanti accent", ie. British.
Razgriz-Specter
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Did you not see Ren unable to take the saber using the force while Rey could?
More_Badass
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Oh wow, that makes a lot of sense.
kopitarrulez_11
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I thought that part was hilarious and than it just blows up after they leave lol
Welp there it is haha. Will be interesting to see if true!
Because Finn needed a background to use a sword.
My point was that she's being written to be a powerful Anakin-type force wizard. Not because of hard work or learned skill, but just because she's gifted. You take dislike that sure- I think it's dumb. But it is what it is.
Monocle
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Good points. I'd assumed Kylo would be a fully formed villain, so yeah, it was nice to see he's still in training, and has weaknesses and room to grow. It was a good idea to give him an actual character arc so he wasn't just some evil jerk with famous parents.
I think he's like closer to a normal human size, what we saw in the film was a hologram.
Spiritreaver
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This is an awesome post. Didn't even notice half of these. Mostly just the BB-8 and flashback stuff.
What the fuck are you reading? I'm saying he used an ancient design and he didn't make a shoddy replica. The point is that he built it to specifications, I don't care if you take issue with the design itself.
Yeah not only could Finn and Rey watch it from who-knows-where, but the people *on* one of the planets looked up in terror as it beared down on them.
It's either slower than light-speed or way, way faster.
It's also ridiculous that that one segment of the map wasn't sufficient. The Republic really don't have star charts for the galaxy? You can't fit the edges of the map segment onto an existing map? And why did the map have a *route* drawn on it? It's fucken 3D space, Luke my dude. It makes a mess of the galaxy. Does the entire Republic comprise like six star systems near Corruscant or something?
Moff
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Are we posting movie thoughts in here? Just came back. Satisfied but not floored.
-Ren was interesting
-I really liked Rey
-Finn was very good
-Han Solo carried the movie
-The final 2 minutes induced feels to the max
-Plenty left for 2 more movies
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-Too many parallels/homages to the OT
-A couple "How could the characters possibly know that?" moments (Leia somehow knowing they were targeting the planet next)
-I didn't get a sense of the threat that the Order posed...the scene with the planet blasting felt "empty" to me. Didn't feel there were any stakes there.
-Final attack on the weapon planet lacked emotional punch for the reason above
-Ren was interesting
-I really liked Rey
-Finn was very good
-Han Solo carried the movie
-The final 2 minutes induced feels to the max
-Plenty left for 2 more movies
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-Too many parallels/homages to the OT
-A couple "How could the characters possibly know that?" moments (Leia somehow knowing they were targeting the planet next)
-I didn't get a sense of the threat that the Order posed...the scene with the planet blasting felt "empty" to me. Didn't feel there were any stakes there.
-Final attack on the weapon planet lacked emotional punch for the reason above
I want this to be it so badly holy crap. Granddaughter of Obi Wan??
lastplayed
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How can you conclude that from this text? Maybe he just knows that she's Luke's daughter?
Jest Chillin
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She isn't? Do we know that for sure? This movie leaves a LOT more up to interpretation than anything in the PT. There are long shots where there is zero dialogue and simply the actor expression and tone of the shot are all that tells what's happening. Just because they didn't outright say that Rey isn't as powerful as Anakin doesn't mean that she isn't.
Moreso than that, Star Wars has a long legacy of Chosen One legends and at this point, Rey is clearly in the lead in terms of likelihood of fulfilling that role for this trilogy.
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I've always thought she was Kenobi related, simply because of the British accent. But man, that's a great list of evidence.
BlastProcessing
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There is a sort of trade-off here. The movie is already pushing it in length. By having a simple plot (and one that existing fans can super easily follow to boot) you buy yourself a lot more time for characterisation.
If you put these characters in a novel, wizbang plot you are going to have to divert time (and audience attention) away from the new characters. I think if the next two movies have such simple action it would be fair to criticize, but here I think they had the correct priorities.
Fine Ham Abounds
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I only caught about half of these, but didnt really approach any like this. Now I'll almost be disappointed if she is a Skywalker.
Oh, well, ignore that bit of my post then. Anyone suggesting he wasn't force sensitive is news to me.
darkinstinct
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That quote doesn't make a lot of sense. It says the light sabre ends up in the hand of a girl. Meaning in the book Ren doesn't even recognize who he is fighting against until what, a couple of minutes into the fight? In the movie he clearly knows he is fighting Finn and Rey.
It is you can mean many things. Oh it is you that I felt when we had that force awakening earlier this day. Oh it is you that I tortured earlier on my star destroyer. Oh it is you who gave my stormtroopers a workout on Jakku. It is you ... who I met when I trained with Luke seems like a stretch to me.
BarringGaffner
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I thought this was pretty obvious? I'm surprised how many think he is actually huge.
Anyone else read I, Jedi and think that maybe something similar that happened to Luke's academy in that book is what happened inbetween VI and VII? But instead of a Sith ghost perhaps Snoke was present near the Jedi training [temples] and was turning Kylo Ren?
Buba Big Guns
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I dont understand the Rey vs Ren complaints. Ren seemed like a weak ass dude, still a noob with the force, while Rey was clearly a beast with it. We don't know shit about her past yet, but it's pretty heavily hinted that she had some sort of training.
Complain about Ren vs Flinn instead...even then Flinn got his face cut and almost died. I think that fight just proves Ren isn't really very strong.
Probably supposed to be that way since this movie is a great setup to Ep 8 and 9 where these character will obviously get much stronger.
Complain about Ren vs Flinn instead...even then Flinn got his face cut and almost died. I think that fight just proves Ren isn't really very strong.
Probably supposed to be that way since this movie is a great setup to Ep 8 and 9 where these character will obviously get much stronger.
Monocle
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Exactly. I can't wait for this.
You can lead into future films without the villain being a chump. It doesn't excuse mediocrity.
The Technomancer
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Yeah basically, this isn't about getting hung up on science, its about the sense of scale that all of this creates, which is "small"
Agent Unknown
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Wow, some impressive details you observed there and it all makes perfect sense if that's the direction they go in with Rey. This seriously might be the most compelling post in the thread.
If she is a Kenobi then Obi-Wan must have had a son/daughter with Satine Kryze and she must have kept it a secret from Obi-wan since he would have gotten kicked out of the Jedi order. So their kid would be Rey's parent rather than Obi-wan being her dad.
They'd be pretty interesting, I think. It would also be a nice tie in to the new EU.
Bobby Roberts
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I do wonder if it's really Guinness saying "Rey," and not James Arnold Taylor, who IS credited with doing additional voicework.
Which would make the decision to have Obi-Wan say "Rey" even more conspicuous, I think.
Doesn't HAVE to be Satine. There's a 20 year gap on Tatooine between III & IV.
Which would make the decision to have Obi-Wan say "Rey" even more conspicuous, I think.
Doesn't HAVE to be Satine. There's a 20 year gap on Tatooine between III & IV.
The Technomancer
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Also I loved loved Kylo Ren. I loved that they deliberately played him as a bit of a goober, it makes him much scarier than a villain who has all of their shit together.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
First Order who are under Kylo's #1 mission is to locate and eliminate Luke Skywalker. Unlike Hux who is sent to wipe out the Resistence, it makes total sense Kylo's forces would have weapons and be trained to combat Jedi weapons... Since they are trained to kill Skywalker.
Hux is the secular commander and Kylo the spiritual... One trained for mass war, the other to eliminate the Light. One with a star killer and the other with light saber batons I suppose haha.
I sadly was spoiled on really about the only thing in the movie that could be spoiled. Was looking at IG on Wednesday and some random fucker posted "It's too bad Han Solo's kid kills him" or something to that effect. Obviously had I not known this, I'd have expected Rylo to still do it on the bridge but it removed all of the emotional impact for me sadly.
On top of that, it made it even more obvious early on that he was Han and Leia's son and then the moment that was determined then I knew for sure it was probably going to happen as it was too specific a comment otherwise. Really bummed me out.
As far as the movie goes, I liked it a lot but there were a few things that were a little too convenient. I think I'd have liked the movie even more had I not been distracted by knowing that stupid spoiler.
On top of that, it made it even more obvious early on that he was Han and Leia's son and then the moment that was determined then I knew for sure it was probably going to happen as it was too specific a comment otherwise. Really bummed me out.
As far as the movie goes, I liked it a lot but there were a few things that were a little too convenient. I think I'd have liked the movie even more had I not been distracted by knowing that stupid spoiler.
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