[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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Hado said:
Am I the only one who thinks Snoke is a pretty terrible name?

Like, Snoke could be literally the name of Lisa Simpson's next cat.
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It does sound funny. I would much prefer if he was referred to simply as Supreme Leader, like the emperor was.

Tugatrix said:
Can Finn also be a force user? in Jakku at the beginning of the movie Renn stares at him like he is feeling something from him.
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He probably just senses Finn's fear and doubt, but thinks nothing of it. It's just one stromtrooper, after all. They can be reprogrammed, or disposed and it's not Kylo's problem. :P
 
Boke1879 said:
What was adoptive fathers name? Bail Organa right? It just as simple as being raise by someone your whole life. She knows Luke is her brother she knows she's a Skywalker. It's Organa is her name. It's all she's known for years
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Yeah, that too.

Tugatrix said:
Can Finn also be a force user? in Jakku at the beginning of the movie Renn stares at him like he is feeling something from him.
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I hope he isn't. I'd prefer if Finn was more of a Han Solo character. We'll have Rey and Luke in the next movie, so we won't be hurting for Jedi.
 
Migrant said:
Leia also chooses not to become a Jedi so I think that explains why she keeps Organa. Vader may have redeemed himself in the end, but she grew up hating him and everything he stood for. She probably doesn't want to embrace that aspect of who she is.
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I would love to see some scenes in the coming movies that explore this theory. Imagine seeing an interaction with Kylo & Leia where he blames her rejection of her lineage for his descent to the dark side. Or Leia coping with the choice she made all those years ago leading to Han's death.

Sadly I have doubts that Carrie Fisher could carry scenes like that these days.
 
Shuggananas said:
yeah anakin's ghost at the end of ROTJ was just there for shits and giggles, anakin is still evil !
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Except that pretty much everyone, including Lucas said that he was redeemed at the end of Return of the Jedi. One theory also about why Lucas changed his ghost at the end to the younger version was because when a Jedi dies, his ghost form takes on the appearance of the last time he was with the light side. Who knows if that is actually the case, but it's a better theory than simply adding Hayden "because effects".

Veelk said:
I was discussing this earlier, and I agree. It continues the tradition of having intimidating names (or names meant to be intimidiating), but...well, spoken out loud, I kept hearing Smoke, which is obviously the association they're wanting you to make. But while smoke is dark and noxious...it's also not exactly menacing.

But written out, for some reason, I read Snoke as Snook, which immediately makes me associate it with Snookie.
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This is what it made me think of:

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Surely Snoke is like his alias and has a sith/evil lord kind of name.

Also, was thinking about Kylo...after he killed Han I thought he would've had the sith eyes, hell even Snoke didn't have the sith eyes either (unless I'm wrong)
 
Sanctuary said:
Except that pretty much everyone, including Lucas said that he was redeemed at the end of Return of the Jedi. One theory also about why Lucas changed his ghost at the end to the younger version was because when a Jedi dies, his ghost form takes on the appearance of the last time he was with the light side. Who knows if that is actually the case, but it's a better theory than simply adding Hayden "because effects".
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nah it was sarcasm, of course vader is redeemed so it makes no sense to have an evil version of his ghost for ren to see
 
Zany said:
Sadly I have doubts that Carrie Fisher could carry scenes like that these days.
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Yeah, she wasn't great in TFA. Honestly, I just want to see a reunion with Luke and after that Leia can be absent for a majority of the new films and I'd be fine with it.
 
Saw it earlier tonight and wasn't all that impressed. It was good, as in it wasn't bad, but it wasnot amazing.

If the sun went out they would have all froze In minutes.
Carie Fisher is a shity actor, wow. Terrible performance.
Everything moved too quickly, the republic blowing up meant nothing because we spent no time there
Kylo Ren looks 100% full retard without his hood. Overall lame.
The new girl Ray was the highlight of the movie.

Most purple I know are losing their shit over this. I don't get it.
 
I thought that wasn't the whole of the republic that was blown off.

And I agree on the comments on Rey being too... marysue-ish. At least Luke struggled a lot early on and wouldn't be able to do it without his pals.
 
Prototype said:
Most purple I know are losing their shit over this. I don't get it.
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Hype + nostalgia + it not being as shitty as the prequels = almost no objective criticism.
It was a decent "movie" but it was even worse than the prequels in terms of originality and world building.
 
Prototype said:
Saw it earlier tonight and wasn't all that impressed. It was good, as in it wasn't bad, but it wasnot amazing.

If the sun went out they would have all froze In minutes.
Carie Fisher is a shity actor, wow. Terrible performance.
Everything moved too quickly, the republic blowing up meant nothing because we spent no time there
Kylo Ren looks 100% full retard without his hood. Overall lame.
The new girl Ray was the highlight of the movie.

Most purple I know are losing their shit over this. I don't get it.
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It was a Star Wars movie with a sense of adventure, intrigue and characters you care about, it's been 30 years since the last one of those. People are going crazy for it because it washes away the stench of the prequels that has been lingering for almost 20 years.
 
Tugatrix said:
Can Finn also be a force user? in Jakku at the beginning of the movie Renn stares at him like he is feeling something from him.
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I kinda felt that way after watching the movie. I mean there is not enough evidence to say it yet, but in a series with a powerful and magical "deus ex machina" phenomenon that is the Force he is the first Stormtrooper to rebel (even though he is not a clone) and actually used a lightsaber.

I certainly would like it.
 
Migrant said:
Yeah, she wasn't great in TFA. Honestly, I just want to see a reunion with Luke and after that Leia can be absent for a majority of the new films and I'd be fine with it.
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Carrie Fisher lost control of her lips about halfway through her last Smallville cameo and it's been stuck ever since.

Boss Doggie said:
Why do I get the feeling Rey is being shipped with Ren
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I'm not one for stirring controversy, but Disney is playing it very smart with Rey and Finn's relationship. They can decide how the two could go forward based on how audiences reacts to the first one.
 
I don't understand this movie at all. Where was Senator Binks in the roundtable when they were discussing how to destroy Starkiller Base? Do they really expect the audience to believe that the Resistance would just ignore his advice?

Overall I really enjoyed this movie, much more than I thought I would. However, I have some questions.

1. I am totally lost on Starkiller Base. I get that it's Death Star 3.0. I get that it can blow up multiple planets at the same time (and did so). I get that it eats up stars. What I don't get is who they blew up and why. Poe mentions it was the Hosnian system. WHO ARE THEY? Did they blow up the New Republic's home planet? The senate? If so, wouldn't that mean the New Republic is basically finished? If not... why didn't they just blow up the New Republic's central planet first? Who were they going to attack next? The Resistance? Those like 100 dudes on not Yavin IV?

2. Someone explain to me how R2D2 magically woke up. I mean it makes sense that he would have some piece of the map (why they didn't seriously pursue this train of thought I don't know), but he just turns on for no reason and SURPRISE he has the thing everyone wants!

3. What exactly is the relationship between the First Order, Empire, New Republic, and Resistance? Ok so the First Order are the remnants of the old Empire right? And the Resistance is like some proxy group that is fighting them? Why the hell isn't the New Republic waging open war on the First Order? THEY SEEM LIKE A BIG DEAL.

4. Are you #TeamGuavianDeathGang or #TeamKanjiklub? The GDG have much better uniforms, but Kanjiklub is a superior name. I'm torn.
 
Loved the movie, I'm so glad it was good! I just wish I didn't see it in 3D, I hate 3D but was forced to this decision...

Can't wait for the Blu Ray release.
 
Sanctuary said:
Hype + nostalgia + it not being as shitty as the prequels = almost no objective criticism.
It was a decent "movie" but it was even worse than the prequels in terms of originality and world building.
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There's a lot to critique with the movie... Plot details, some character stuff, too similar to the OT... But even with all that, it's absolutely clear that the movie connected with general audiences on an emotional level. It's a good movie.

There's a lot more world building in the prequels, sure, but nearly all of it is pointless and terrible. Midichlorians and space taxes. Boba Fett clones. Galactic senates and votes of no-confidence. Bugs and robots fighting over... something. Nobody cares about that shit. People care about the relationships between characters, which is something Force Awakens excels at.
 
The actions of the OT heroes bugged me in TFA. So the trio know of their force sensitive offspring turning to the dark side, they know of supreme evil dark lord leader Snoke's existence. And what did they do?

Luke went on a year long vacation search for a Jedi temple in some scenic highlands. Han went back to be a smuggler (what dick of a father!) and Leia went to do some ineffective resistance general something (who had to be told of Starkiller base by an enemy janitor and did nothing to stop the remnants of The Empire slaughtering a village). I would expect with the experience of saving the galaxy from the greatest threat in their lifetime, they would go straight to find Ben and Snoke to crush the dark side. I guess nobody sees Ben as a real threat, just a whiny lad and still ignoring him. :(

I have a feeling JJ chose Adam playing Ben is because of his somewhat weird facial features. In the movie, maybe his dashing Solo parents was kinda disappointed with how their son looked like at birth and sent him away to his uncle. But in the Jedi Academy, besides Ben was a bubbly looking girl with eyes of conviction and rather good at the force. So she was Luke favourite student, and poor Ben was further ignored despite his birth right as a Skywalker. I think the scar straight across Ben's already weird face by Rey, would be another plot point in Ep8 that fuels the hatred between them.
 
Forkball said:
What I don't get is who they blew up and why. Poe mentions it was the Hosnian system. WHO ARE THEY?
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I think it was said that those planets housed the majority of the Resistance Fleet. Not sure, though.

2. Someone explain to me how R2D2 magically woke up. I mean it makes sense that he would have some piece of the map (why they didn't seriously pursue this train of thought I don't know), but he just turns on for no reason and SURPRISE he has the thing everyone wants!
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It isn't explained, but personally I think Luke sensed his daughter's "awakening" and remotely activated R2 so she would be able to find him and be trained. Luke knows leaving Rey untrained would be dangerous and potentially lead her down the same path as Kylo Ren.
 
Forkball said:
I don't understand this movie at all. Where was Senator Binks in the roundtable when they were discussing how to destroy Starkiller Base? Do they really expect the audience to believe that the Resistance would just ignore his advice?

Overall I really enjoyed this movie, much more than I thought I would. However, I have some questions.

1. I am totally lost on Starkiller Base. I get that it's Death Star 3.0. I get that it can blow up multiple planets at the same time (and did so). I get that it eats up stars. What I don't get is who they blew up and why. Poe mentions it was the Hosnian system. WHO ARE THEY? Did they blow up the New Republic's home planet? The senate? If so, wouldn't that mean the New Republic is basically finished? If not... why didn't they just blow up the New Republic's central planet first? Who were they going to attack next? The Resistance? Those like 100 dudes on not Yavin IV?

2. Someone explain to me how R2D2 magically woke up. I mean it makes sense that he would have some piece of the map (why they didn't seriously pursue this train of thought I don't know), but he just turns on for no reason and SURPRISE he has the thing everyone wants!

3. What exactly is the relationship between the First Order, Empire, New Republic, and Resistance? Ok so the First Order are the remnants of the old Empire right? And the Resistance is like some proxy group that is fighting them? Why the hell isn't the New Republic waging open war on the First Order? THEY SEEM LIKE A BIG DEAL.

4. Are you #TeamGuavianDeathGang or #TeamKanjiklub? The GDG have much better uniforms, but Kanjiklub is a superior name. I'm torn.
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1. the republic is destroyed
2. I expect they explain that in Episode 8
3. I think you got that right so far, and yes, the republic underestimated the first order.
4. #teamrathtar
 
Forkball said:
1. I am totally lost on Starkiller Base. I get that it's Death Star 3.0. I get that it can blow up multiple planets at the same time (and did so). I get that it eats up stars. What I don't get is who they blew up and why. Poe mentions it was the Hosnian system. WHO ARE THEY? Did they blow up the New Republic's home planet? The senate? If so, wouldn't that mean the New Republic is basically finished? If not... why didn't they just blow up the New Republic's central planet first? Who were they going to attack next? The Resistance? Those like 100 dudes on not Yavin IV?
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Yeah, also... if Starkiller Base absorbs a solar system's entire sun to recharge... isn't blowing up planets kinda superfluous really? Wouldn't the temperature on like every planet in the system drop to almost absolute zero?
 
Skunkers said:
Yeah, also... if Starkiller Base absorbs a solar system's entire sun to recharge... isn't blowing up planets kinda superfluous really? Wouldn't the temperature on like every planet in the system drop to almost absolute zero?
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It's best not to think about this too much

But yeah, I really wish they hadn't included the bit about recharging with a freaking sun every time. Star Wars movies don't have to work according to real life physics, but that was a bit too far. Nobody knows or cares how FTL travel works in Star Wars, but everyone knows how solar systems work pretty much. It bended reality too far.
 
Migrant said:
I think it was said that those planets housed the majority of the Resistance Fleet. Not sure, though.



It isn't explained, but personally I think Luke sensed his daughter's "awakening" and remotely activated R2 so she would be able to find him and be trained. Luke knows leaving Rey untrained would be dangerous and potentially lead her down the same path as Kylo Ren.
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I interpreted it that he sensed Han die so it was time for him to man the fuck up and do something.
 
Saw the movie yesterday. I like Star Wars, but I'm not a massive fan of the franchise. Overall, I enjoyed TFA but the ending seemed rushed and the similarity to ANH kind of detracted from the film a bit. Still, a very fun movie that sets up the new trilogy well with memorable and likable characters.
 
They will probably kill off Luke or injure him to take him out of the action so I'd want Finn to be a force user too rather than just another funny hero like Han Solo who js paired up with one force user who happens to be the special one related to the villain in some way....just like Luke.

Basically I don't want them to further repeat the original trilogy.



Edit: About Kylo Ren, Adam Driver has a rather deep and mature voice he imitates this young crybaby voice in the film and it ends up feeling a bit overdone due to his getup that makes him look younger than he does in real life. This is why I'd have liked if he kept close to his original voice.
 
One of the problems I had with TFA is that Poe Dameron, who is one of the new main characters, just disappears for a huge part of the film and then he just reappears at the end of the film with very little explanation? That's a real head scratcher for me.
 
richiek said:
One of the problems I had with TFA is that Poe Dameron, who is one of the new main characters, just disappears for a huge part of the film and then he just reappears at the end of the film with very little explanation? That's a real head scratcher for me.
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This was brought up earlier. You want even more of a head scratcher? How did Poe get thrown from the TIE wreckage and somehow leave his jacket behind?
 
I love everyone complaining about the effects of the sun going out or being able to see the Strkiller laser canon from planet side.

The physics of Star Wars -- especially space travel -- have always been hilariously impractical. Think, for example, how fast the Millenium Falcon needed to be flying to leave the Death Star in Episode IV. And think about how fast the tie fighters had to be flying to catch it. No way to have a legit dogfight at those speeds. Go read the Lost Fleet novels to see what it would actually be like.

Or think about how giant ships slip in and out of atmosphere super quick with zero heat buildup.
 
Just came back from seeing it in a huge theater with only 5 people, perks of going at 2 AM. The movie wasn't that good, but it wasn't bad.

Worst part about it is the THIRD DEATHSTAR. Holy shit, Star Wars has such an amazing interesting galaxy and they couldn't come up with some better? At least they got it out of the way, leaving the next two movies with more interesting things for the protagonists to do.

I like all of the new cast of characters, but funnily enough it was the old cast that seemed stiff and one dimensional. Leia and Han especially seemed off.

I have high expectations for VIII, seems like a lot of interesting things will happen.

One question: I'm sure they will expand on this more in the next movie, but why is the resistance such a small fleet and not connected to the Republic? I know the technical reason is that the bad guys can't be the underdogs but it was weird that the Republic was just out of the picture. Snoke prolly has something to do with it.
 
richiek said:
One of the problems I had with TFA is that Poe Dameron, who is one of the new main characters, just disappears for a huge part of the film and then he just reappears at the end of the film with very little explanation? That's a real head scratcher for me.
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Was expecting way more screen time with him and a lot more dynamic between the trio, but he never even met Rey. But I guess it's fine since it's just the first movie and that maybe the "trio" will be completely different this time around.
 
Migrant said:
This was brought up earlier. You want even more of a head scratcher? How did Poe get thrown from the TIE wreckage and somehow leave his jacket behind?
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You want a double head scratcher? Why did Finn wear a leather jacket on a desert planet? Was his black sweater not keeping him warm enough?

Also if the New Republic senate is destroyed... isn't that it? Like, there's no more New Republic. The First Order won. I'm sure the New Republic didn't put all their eggs into one basket, but it seems like a pretty big blow and would completely devastate and destabilize the galaxy. No one seemed to care.
 
Forkball said:
You want a double head scratcher? Why did Finn wear a leather jacket on a desert planet? Was his black sweater not keeping him warm enough?

Also if the New Republic senate is destroyed... isn't that it? Like, there's no more New Republic. The First Order won. I'm sure the New Republic didn't put all their eggs into one basket, but it seems like a pretty big blow and would completely devastate and destabilize the galaxy. No one seemed to care.
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In Episode IV, the disbanding of the Galactic Senate and the transfer of complete power to Palpatine got one line.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
Because the director wanted a cool scene with Finn trying to use a lightsaber and failing real hard. Pretty sure that's the answer you'll need to accept because there's no practical reason for him to have something that does that unless it's a "this weapon designed for X reason just so happens to also defeat lightsabers..." sort of thing.
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Maybe because they are in fact searching for the location of Luke Skywalker they have some measures against him in case he pops up?

Wouldn't even be that convoluted as an explaination imo, a trained combat unit looking for clues that lead to the location of a Jedi master having a form of anti-lightsaber weapon with them.
 
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