[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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Tookay said:
(3) There are narrative issues from a conceptual standpoint (without going into the obvious stuff, like the Starkiller). I think the whole "Luke is missing" angle just doesn't work. We're not given a good reason for it, nor is there any urgency to the mission to find him, especially when the characters are sidetracked by other things throughout the film. Simply put, we don't understand why all of the sudden Luke is needed right this second, given that the good guys seem to be blowing through hundreds of stormtroopers and besting dark siders without him. It doesn't help when the whole "mystery" of the movie is solved because R2 just randomly decides to "wake up" at the end and present the portion of the map where Luke is hiding.
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I agree with all your other points, but I think this one doesn't hold up.

Reason: He stopped training more Jedi after his failure with Kylo. The Dark Side (i.e. Snoke) want to find him and kill him.

Urgency: Kylo and Snoke are trying to find and kill him. Good guys want to find him first. Also, he's their friend, so they miss him.

As for R2 just randomly waking up, I can only speculate. I assume Luke has his own plans and wanted R2 to wake up at that exact time so they could find him. It would explain the brief vision Rey saw of Luke putting his robotic hand on R2 (vision of the past?).

Actually, just on that, what was the scene immediately preceding R2 waking up? If the theory is true, maybe the film makers hinted at R2's wakeup trigger in their editing?
 
Jack Remington said:
He's more cutthroat than Vader. Power-wise it's no comparison. Even Episode 2 Anakin would have destroyed Finn and Rey.
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I'd counter by saying Anakin was always stronger than Vader.

Strictly speaking, I didn't see Vader (not Anakin, but Vader specifically) do anything in any film that Kylo didn't do just as well or better.

- His force choke was just as good or better.
- He showed the ability to stop blaster fire with the shot airborne like Neo.
- His mind-reading was as good or better (we never saw Vader mind-read another Jedi/Sith by breaking through an active attempt to stop him)
- He was far more emotional (emotional instability is sort of a calling card of the Dark Side)

Vader was never a lightning user so Emperor-level powers can sort of be side-stepped.

I do agree that Anakin was stronger and Starkiller (the Force Unleashed) stronger than either.
 
Thinking more about it. Yup New Republic getting one-shotted just about ruins the movie for me as well as episode 8 and 9.

One of the stupidest things I have ever seen in a movie.


On the other hand fuck R2, BB8 is the best droid of the series.
 
Gen X said:
Do you guys think the ending would've been better without the Luke scene and just ended with the Millennium Falcon flying off like the end of Esb?
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I think it would've worked well. Not sure if it would've been better, but I was expecting it when they left. Millennium Falcon blasting off would've been a good ending shot for sure.

But Luke is pretty damn cool, too.
 
Neogaf is really down on this film...even reddit has pretty much 99.9% positive things to say.

...and thats fucking reddit.

Where is all the Christmas cheer? The film was flipping aces.
 
I really thought they were going to do more with Iko Uwais' character. I guess his martial arts would have felt out of place lol
 
what was the deal with the stormtrooper finn fights? i didnt catch what his anti lightsaber weapon was. he had a shield, i think. was it a nonlethal combat stick? a second-action/transforming blaster rifle? in combat scenarios is such a weapon useful?
 
Kworn said:
Neogaf is really down on this film...even reddit has pretty much 99.9% positive things to say.

...and thats fucking reddit.

Where is all the Christmas cheer? The film was flipping aces.
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it's really just a few people volume posting that didn't like it. and people nit-picking.

It's easy to let the perfect become the enemy of the good. Movie is awesome and I'm going to drag my dad to go see it this weekend if possible.
 
YO FYI the dates kicking around for rouge one are wrong

Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
Release Date: December 16, 2016

Star Wars: Episode VIII
Release Date: May 26, 2017

Young Han Solo Movie
Release Date: May 25, 2018 (maybe)

Star Wars: Episode IX
2019

A Boba Fett Movie
Rumored for 2020
 
I have a question but would love it if people could be as objective as they can.

Do you guys believe that there is a "will of the Force" in the universe, that could potentially explain how all the characters get together in what seems as a coincidence?

Could all these things be machinations of the Force for a greater purpose? Do the Universe rules allow this?

I think the film really presents a lot of coincidences to the point it makes me feel that the events that unfold are not clear chance.
 
Kworn said:
Neogaf is really down on this film...even reddit has pretty much 99.9% positive things to say.

...and thats fucking reddit.

Where is all the Christmas cheer? The film was flipping aces.
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I loved the movie, people won't pick apart the parts they love though :P
 
Kworn said:
Neogaf is really down on this film...even reddit has pretty much 99.9% positive things to say.

...and thats fucking reddit.

Where is all the Christmas cheer? The film was flipping aces.
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I thought it was amazing, :\ Even after the third viewing. Some nit picks, but really a great Star Wars film to me.
 
So I feel Finn carries this movie. Best new character and best performance. Really interested to see where his story goes. I loved seeing all the puppets and costumes.
 
CD'S BAR said:
Kylo Ren was okay when he had the mask on, but when it was off I kept getting bad flashbacks of AOTC Hayden Christensen. Especially when he was shouting things at the end of the movie. Wish they'd gone with an older villain
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Thing is he's 32, that's actually quite old considering how old Ford and Fisher's (and their characters) are...his hair just makes him look very young.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
it's really just a few people volume posting that didn't like it. and people nit-picking.

It's easy to let the perfect become the enemy of the good. Movie is awesome and I'm going to drag my dad to go see it this weekend if possible.
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Some people can be more objective is criticism. Movie was fun, but could have been so much more than it ended up being.
 
I watched this last night and I thought it was fantastic, I hate going to the cinema but I had to go and see this as other than ANH i've seen them all in the cinema and I will definitely be going to see it again, i've still not got over what happened to Han though!
 
Dreams-Visions said:
it's really just a few people volume posting that didn't like it. and people nit-picking.

It's easy to let the perfect become the enemy of the good. Movie is awesome and I'm going to drag my dad to go see it this weekend if possible.
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Yep i am going to take my boy who is 6 to see it for second viewing as I thought it was not scary or that violent/bloody.
 
Kworn said:
Neogaf is really down on this film...even reddit has pretty much 99.9% positive things to say.

...and thats fucking reddit.

Where is all the Christmas cheer? The film was flipping aces.
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People are just pointing out the obvious misses of the film that for some reason the director failed to notice even though they stood out like a sore thumb.
That doesn't mean most of us hated the movie.
 
The humor and interactions between Rey, Finn, Poe, Han, and Chewie are the highlights of this movie. Generally, everything was done well, but the humor and these characters really make the movie work. I give a lot of credit to JJ and Kasdan for creating these characters and mixing the old and new generation successfully.
 
Bornstellar said:
Some people can be more objective is criticism. Movie was fun, but could have been so much more than it ended up being.
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Being critical is cool. Endlessly arguing your criticism as if you need win supporters to back your position in order to feel justified in your criticism is obnoxious. Repeating the complaint every time someone chimes in and says they liked something is tiring.

Also, objectivity is not objective when the source of discussion is subjective by nature. You can't be objective about something inherently subjective. It's delusional. At the end of the day you like things because reasons and dislike other things because reasons. They are neither right nor wrong because it's a matter of opinion; not fact.

EBE said:
i mean i understand there are weapons in the star wars universe that can be used against lightsabers (im remembering KOTORs vibro blades) but why did the trooper have one? it also looked like it folded outward and i didnt catch what it looked like unfolded
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Because the director wanted a cool scene with Finn trying to use a lightsaber and failing real hard. Pretty sure that's the answer you'll need to accept because there's no practical reason for him to have something that does that unless it's a "this weapon designed for X reason just so happens to also defeat lightsabers..." sort of thing.
 
Kworn said:
Neogaf is really down on this film...even reddit has pretty much 99.9% positive things to say.

...and thats fucking reddit.

Where is all the Christmas cheer? The film was flipping aces.
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lol what ? sure they're always those kind of people who hate everything but what I've read from here has been more than positive, when you're arguing about small little things in the movie and not bashing it like the prequel time, you know it's good, even the critics are overwhelmy positive.
 
BB-8 Thumbs up is my LOL fuck I love you you're now the DOAT (droid of all time)

Kylo Ren speaking to the burn up Mask and skull of vadar was absolutely like the most messed up thing I've ever seen in a star wars film, genuine WTF moment.
 
Great film - really felt like a Star Wars film which is refreshing after the bad prequels. Rey and Finn were both excellent, and Kylo and BB-8 also made a great first impression! First Order officials were slimey and menacing which was good, and the returning characters were all well done (particularly Han Solo).

Wasn't perfect - i thought the yellow alien in the cantina about half way through was a bit weak compared to characters like Yoda, Jabba the Hutt etc. Also the Starkiller base, whilst impressive, was destroyed way too easily. Putting aside that it is a carbon copy of the plot from the original, don't really see how they can go any bigger. Would have like that to have stayed intact for at least this film.

I had managed to go spoiler free until right before the movie, where as we were in the lobby some cunt 8 year old screamed out that Han Solo dies. Didn't affect my enjoyment of the film, but was annoying.
 
Kworn said:
Yep i am going to take my boy who is 6 to see it for second viewing as I thought it was not scary or that violent/bloody.
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This is an interesting view to me. I've been debating about taking my 4 and a half year old girl but I'm actually hesitant because of the violence in it. There was actually more blood in this than I was expecting too.
 
Kworn said:
Neogaf is really down on this film...even reddit has pretty much 99.9% positive things to say.

...and thats fucking reddit.

Where is all the Christmas cheer? The film was flipping aces.
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It's more interesting to talk about and discuss the little things I liked less than to talk about the fact that I loved the movie.

Also, Reddit is often a beacon of positivity in my experience. It's very rare to find a big release (game, film or otherwise) being criticized by the majority instead of almost universally loved on there. NeoGAF is far more critical than Reddit.
 
Razgriz-Specter said:
Thinking more about it. Yup New Republic getting one-shotted just about ruins the movie for me as well as episode 8 and 9.

One of the stupidest things I have ever seen in a movie.


On the other hand fuck R2, BB8 is the best droid of the series.
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What if I told you they shot first, without using tracking.

Also they could of called that film "kylo ren's bad day"
 
It was a good movie, but my few take aways are:

Finn and Poe's bromance goes from 0 to 100 in little to no time.
Finn and Rey catch the feels for one another in an even faster amount of time.
Kylo is basically an angsty teen who throws tantrums.

The humor was great, and so was the Solo scenes. I guess I would of liked it to be a little more darker than what it actually was.

EDIT: Oh, and BB8 is the best droid ever.
 
Hagi said:
As of now she's so much worse lol total non character who looks like a walking bin actually gets thrown into a bin after helping two men and a wookie fuck up your super expensive resort planet.
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Yeah, way worse. That's another convenience that bugged me. They disabled that thing's defenses really easily. Oh well.
 
Marty Chinn said:
This is an interesting view to me. I've been debating about taking my 4 and a half year old girl but I'm actually hesitant because of the violence in it. There was actually more blood in this than I was expecting too.
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I certainly wouldn't, the movie is much too violent for such a young developing mind. There's a reason it's rated PG-13, which is 3 times her age. I think a child needs to be allowed to develop a frame of reference before viewing a movie like The Force Awakens, otherwise it would be outright cruel.
 
Clandestine said:
I agree with all your other points, but I think this one doesn't hold up.

Reason: He stopped training more Jedi after his failure with Kylo. The Dark Side (i.e. Snoke) want to find him and kill him.

Urgency: Kylo and Snoke are trying to find and kill him. Good guys want to find him first. Also, he's their friend, so they miss him.

As for R2 just randomly waking up, I can only speculate. I assume Luke has his own plans and wanted R2 to wake up at that exact time so they could find him. It would explain the brief vision Rey saw of Luke putting his robotic hand on R2 (vision of the past?).

Actually, just on that, what was the scene immediately preceding R2 waking up? If the theory is true, maybe the film makers hinted at R2's wakeup trigger in their editing?
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That was one of the most lazy parts of the film. How fucking hard would it have been to have had a scene with Rey walking into the bunker and R2 'seeing' Luke's lightsaber and that being the trigger. (Even if you say that R2 was in low power mode, in the previous scene with C3PO explaining that you could have had a flicker of the red iris on R2 to indicate he's not fully comotose). It would literally have taken 20 seconds of screen time. The movie is littered with missed scenes to add a bit of context or breathing room to proceedings. It's a strangely rushed film.
 
CloudWolf said:
It's more interesting to talk about and discuss the little things I liked less than to talk about the fact that I loved the movie.

Also, Reddit is often a beacon of positivity in my experience. It's very rare to find a big release (game, film or otherwise) being criticized by the majority instead of almost universally loved on there. NeoGAF is far more critical than Reddit.
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Circlejerk mentality and le upboats
 
Woah, 50 odd pages since I went to bed; obviously more and more people are seeing it.

Considering seeing it a third time today.
 
I like Kylo Renn. Feels like Anakin from preq. but done better.

Interesting to see how they'll handle snoke in the next one. Had a fun time watching it.
 
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