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[Sirpopopop]

Best part of the movie is when those extras are having like a cappuccino in the city and are wiped out and the movie doesn't even bat an eye. Literally doesn't address it.

They hardly had any time to address it, since they were... y'know, next in line.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Dude wtf are you talking about? Rey is the new Han? Han was on a heroes journey to fulfill his destiny as a Jedi? Just wtf are you smoking to arrive at these theories?

How is it a theory? She is outright replacing Han and pretty much has the skills he had. Finn is nothing like Han at all. Don't freak out.

 

[Makoto]

The film shows a huge blaster-mark on his chest when that happened. I'm pretty sure it was his chest/upper body area and not leg.

You don't even have to be pretty sure. Ren wasn't pounding anything below his torso.

 

[void666]

They obviously don't pay much attention to the film.

1. Chewbacca shot him in the gut.
2. He just killed his own father. That has to fucked him up emotionally on some level.
3. Finn gave a decent fight against him. That's more energy wasted.
4. Then out of nowhere, the Force in Rey came out full force when push comes to shove.

I mean, seriously. Some of you need to learn to pay attention then connect the dots and not have everything spoonfed by the film.

Throughout the movie they show how hard the bowcaster hits. How many times? Two? Three?
They show ren bleeding on the snow.

Oh well, maybe they should've give him a dialogue like "I'm deeply wounded and in pain. Thats why fighting you guys won't be easy."
Maybe han should've said "You're breaking my heart" when he got stabbed.

 

[Sanctuary]

The film shows a huge blaster-mark on his chest when that happened. I'm pretty sure it was his chest/upper body area and not leg.



There are plenty people who didn't get that. And there's no issue with the badass switch if you had been paying attention to how she realised that she's actually not new to the force.

The only mark I remember is when he gets slashed by a lightsaber. You're also claiming that people aren't able to connect the dots while simultaneously adding more than what was actually in the film. They never establish that she realized she's not new to the force. She's wondering what the fuck is going on up until the mind trick scene.

 

[BY2K]

Going to see it again on the 28th, but a lot of people are saying he was shot in the foot or leg, and no one that I went with thought he was shot in the stomach. Him kneeling down in pain doesn't automatically mean it was his stomach. I'm also not sure much of anyone is having any difficulty understanding that by the time he fights Rey, he's battered and somewhat worn down. The issue is with how she flicks the baddass switch.

I think he was shot in the lower torso. He kept hitting it with his fist, probably to try to numb the pain.

 

[Replicant]

The only mark I remember is when he gets slashed by a lightsaber...

That's nothing in comparison to what Chewie gave him after stabbing Han. So yeah, watch again. This time, pay more attention.

They never establish that she realized she's not new to the force. She's wondering what the fuck is going on up until the mind trick scene.

This is exactly what I was talking about not being able to connect the dots from the brief moments the film show you. She wasn't wondering what the fuck is going on. Her memory was flooding back to her. The massacre, the force, her ability to manipulate others' thoughts, etc.

 

[JB1981]

How is it a theory? She is outright replacing Han and pretty much has the skills he had. Finn is nothing like Han at all. Don't freak out.

No Han was never a Jedi in training with latent force abilities. They are not remotely similar characters. Your theory is bizarre.

 

[LProtag]

Thinking a bit more about it, I'll be more fine with their decision to play it extremely safe with this movie if they use it as a branching off point to go in a more unexpected direction in the next two.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Wasn't it the Republic capital? Like literally THE Republic? Wasn't the Republic the center of the galaxy in the prequels? I mean wtf JJ

Hosnian Prime was the New Republic's capital and it was one of the planets destroyed in the attack. But there is probably some part of the Republic left.

Leia could lead whatever's left of them in VIII.

 

[Sou Da]

You can really tell how much Threepio wanted people to ask about his arm.

 

[Ether_Snake]

No Han was never a Jedi in training with latent force abilities. They are not remotely similar characters. Your theory is bizarre.

So she has force powers, big deal.

She has a blaster, she'll keep using it, they didn't set that up for nothing.

She was about to be Han's new rookie.

Her ship is the Millenium falcon. Chewie is her copilot.

Finn is nothing like Han. He shoots like Luke did when in the falcon or tie-fighter, never drives anything.

Deal with it.

 

[Boss Doggie]

I hope they don't pull this Messiah-sue on Rey though.

 

[JB1981]

They hardly had any time to address it, since they were... y'know, next in line.

How the hell did they not know about it? How did they not have any Intel? Why the hell are they even a Resistance? Leia was a diplomat in the senate in ANH. Why do they operate in secret? What is their relationship to the galactic republic? Why does the New Order have a Starkiller but seemingly only ONE Star Destroyer? The movie is inadequate in establishing any of this. I guess we'll have to wait for the sequel. JJ mystery box in full effect

 

[Incendiary]

Pretty similar to Alderaan in the original. They probably should have acknowledged it more.

At least with Alderaan you had Leia reacting as well as Obi-Wan's "suddenly silenced" line. It was enough of an impact that you felt the threat was real when the Death Star showed up at Yavin. In this movie, it was so absurd - a whole system was blown up and nobody batted an eye. All the stakes in this movie were character-driven and personal. Because so little of the universe-at-large was established, and because the entire super weapon plot was contrived (seriously, a weapon that eats suns? Do you not know how planets work and how quickly everyone on that super weapon would freeze to death?) we as viewers just didn't care about the impending timer.

Functionally, I think the movie would have been the exact same if they had just gone to rescue Rey at the First Order base and the X-Wings were there for support/distraction. Blow up the base at the end, everything is basically the same. My biggest gripe with the movie.

 

[JB1981]

So she has force powers, big deal.

She has a blaster, she'll keep using it, they didn't set that up for nothing.

She was about to be Han's new rookie.

Her ship is the Millenium falcon. Chewie is her copilot.

Finn is nothing like Han. He shoots like Luke did when in the falcon or tie-fighter, never drives anything.

Deal with it.

Deal with what? Your tangent is off the rails man. Honestly don't even know what you are talking about.

 

[Christine]

Guess I'll have to pay closer attention the next time I see it, but I don't recall him dripping blood either. Why would he when he was shot with a laser and not a projectile? It also looked like he was shot in the leg.

The blood doesn't show up right when he gets shot, it's later, at the beginning of when he confronts Finn / Rey out in the snow.

They make a pretty big deal in the movie about how powerful Chewie's weapon is, so I'm not trying to comic book guy you here when I tell you that it fires explosive projectiles, not lasers.

 

[Incendiary]

You mean outside of his awkward gay-droid love triangle with Poe and BB8 right?

Yeah they're clearly going to be the bro-est of bros, but there ain't no co-pilot seat in an X-Wing, son.

 

[KingHenrik30]

Maybe a stupid question, but didn't Luke lose that blue lightsaber in Bespin when his arm got cut off?

 

[Frog-fu]

How is it a theory? She is outright replacing Han and pretty much has the skills he had. Finn is nothing like Han at all. Don't freak out.

Rey is clearly an analogue for Luke.

Finn is a make-it-up-as-you-go shittalker like Han and is the same reluctant hero type. Also he has that amazing charisma that makes him instantly endearing and effortlessly hilarious.

 

[StormKing]

Rey seems like female Anakin without the character flaws.

 

[Afrodium]

Right now Rey is the new Han.

1- She was almost hired by Han himself, not Finn
2- Scavenger (like Han at this point pretty much, that's how they meet), pilot, given a blaster by Han
3- Drives the Millenium Falcon, Chewie is her co pilot.

Rey is the new Han so far.

Btw Luke might not even have kept his green saber when leaving the Death Star, I don't recall a clear indication that he had it. It looked to me like they are setting things up for him having none and taking the one Rey gives him. Yoda had none.

Is it possible that Rey and Finn are their own characters and don't have to fit snugly into the archetypes established in the original trilogy?

 

[James93]

So she has force powers, big deal.

She has a blaster, she'll keep using it, they didn't set that up for nothing.

She was about to be Han's new rookie.

Her ship is the Millenium falcon. Chewie is her copilot.

Finn is nothing like Han. He shoots like Luke did when in the falcon or tie-fighter, never drives anything.

Deal with it.

I think many people mean fin is the new solo based on how he fits in the story. Yes rey has similar traits but she fill in as the new luke. With Fin playing the side part that han solo played

 

[shingi70]

One thing I enjoyed about the lightsaber combat was Kylo/Fin/Rey all had disticnt styles for newbs.

 

[kurahador]

Rey seems like female Anakin without the character flaws.

So basically kid Anakin in Phantom Menace.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

Maybe a stupid question, but didn't Luke lose that blue lightsaber in Bespin when his arm got cut off?

Yes

 

[Ovid]

I though this was a middle finger and not a thumbs up.

What, lol?

Why would you think it would be a middle finger?

 

[Ennosuke]

So she has force powers, big deal.

She has a blaster, she'll keep using it, they didn't set that up for nothing.

She was about to be Han's new rookie.

Her ship is the Millenium falcon. Chewie is her copilot.

Finn is nothing like Han. He shoots like Luke did when in the falcon or tie-fighter, never drives anything.

Deal with it.

Rey is Rey. “Rey is the new Han“ etc. is kind of childish. We want new Characters.

 

[void666]

So she has force powers, big deal.

She has a blaster, she'll keep using it, they didn't set that up for nothing.

She was about to be Han's new rookie.

Her ship is the Millenium falcon. Chewie is her copilot.

Finn is nothing like Han. He shoots like Luke did when in the falcon or tie-fighter, never drives anything.

Deal with it.

Rey is Luke
Poe is Han
Finn is C3P0

DEAL WITH IT!!!!!

 

[ReadingRambo]

What, lol?

Why would you think it would be a middle finger?

Because Finn strongarms BB8 into lying for him to coevr his ass, BB8 does so but gives him the bird when Finn thinks they are cool because of it.

 

[howdyjacker]

Anyone feel the same as me?

I planned to to collect Kylo Ren toy & figure after finish the movie but when I finished it I lost all my urge to buy anything about him completely.

Well, he is not a bad character but not cool at all,

So funny you say that.

I bough star wars shirts for everyone in my family and mine was kylo ren.

After I found out what he did to han Solo I put the shirt back in the Walmart bag and I'm returning it tomorrow lol

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I feel like I'm the only one who liked the freighter/monster scene. Felt fresh, and helped bond Rey and Finn.

 

[Shuggananas]

Because Finn strongarms BB8 into lying for him to coevr his ass, BB8 does so but gives him the bird when Finn thinks they are cool because of it.

you're thinking way too much into it
also it's a movie for kids

 

[The One and Done™]

I think I'm still in shock a bit. I need to see this again.

 

[nib95]

My dude. Not the best quality, but

That was pretty clearly a thumbs up.

 

[GungHo]

I'm not really sure why Luke would retrieve the lightsaber when he had already constructed a new one.

It's a memento, just like it was in ANH. Legacy means a lot in Star Wars. Maybe more than it should. I could do with someone like Finn or Poe not being related to anyone and just being heroes in their own right.

Maybe a stupid question, but didn't Luke lose that blue lightsaber in Bespin when his arm got cut off?

Yep. They found it somehow. Just like they found Vader's melted helmet. $10 says that Snoke got his juju from the Emperor's colostomy bag.

So basically kid Anakin in Phantom Menace.

Without that whole "ponce" thing.

 

[James93]

Rey is Rey. “Rey is the new Han“ etc. is kind of childish. We want new Characters.

I think its hard to not make those assumptions when Most of the Movie is just a New Hope with a more diverse cast

 

[eot]

At least with Alderaan you had Leia reacting as well as Obi-Wan's "suddenly silenced" line. It was enough of an impact that you felt the threat was real when the Death Star showed up at Yavin. In this movie, it was so absurd - a whole system was blown up and nobody batted an eye. All the stakes in this movie were character-driven and personal. Because so little of the universe-at-large was established, and because the entire super weapon plot was contrived (seriously, a weapon that eats suns? Do you not know how planets work and how quickly everyone on that super weapon would freeze to death?) we as viewers just didn't care about the impending timer.

They don't freeze to death indoors, I think they'll be fine. A planet will at most be as cold as space.

 

[31GhostsIV]

I really enjoyed it overall and loved the new characters, but:

Not sure how what would essentially be a splinter group of Empire sympathisers managed to build a base of that size. But whatever.

Ford was better here than in Crystal Skull (thank christ) but I still don't enjoy seeing my childhood heroes as old folk.

Why hasn't Chewie gone grey (or started looking rough around the edges at least) considering this is the third generation of star wars he's been rocking now?

Storm trooper nuremberg rally analog complete with Hitler-esque general and mass seig heil? Why are we referencing Nazi Germany in a space opera popcorn flick?

As much as I loathe the PT, they felt more like Star Wars than this movie somehow. (although I enjoyed this much more). Something felt off but I can't put my finger on what.

 

[half a moon]

Regarding Rey being a Kenobi and the imagery involved this is what I noticed so far on my viewings:

• Brit accent
• First words spoken is some alien language that scares away someone and saves a droid
• Gives Luke his father's lightsaber
• When climbing down the troopers there are talking about a BT-17, when Obi-Wan goes to pull down the switch on the Death Star the troopers there are takling about a BT-16
• Mind trick
• Sir Alec Guinness can clearly be heard saying 'Rey'. Followed by a whispering voice saying 'these are your first steps' closely mirroring Sir Alec's line 'this is your first step into a larger world'
• Gets BB-8 to 'play' the message. Han says to BB-8 'show me what you have' BB-8 turns to Rey who says 'go ahead' and BB-8 proceeds to play the message. Once again mirroring Obi-Wan who gets the full message played from R2

So she has force powers, big deal.

She has a blaster, she'll keep using it, they didn't set that up for nothing.

She was about to be Han's new rookie.

Her ship is the Millenium falcon. Chewie is her copilot.

Finn is nothing like Han. He shoots like Luke did when in the falcon or tie-fighter, never drives anything.

Deal with it.

Did you miss her parallels to kenobi? And her using a light saber? Yes, she has parallels to han, but she's most certainly using a light saber again.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Rey is Rey. “Rey is the new Han“ etc. is kind of childish. We want new Characters.

Sure, but they make it clear in so many ways that Rey is pretty much Han's replacement. Obviously she will be using the force, why not? Unlikely that she will be the only one with Ren. Plus we don't know what role Luke will have, but until he dies she is likely going to be doing more piloting and shooting with Chewie than laser-sabering.

Finn on the other hand, we have no idea what's coming for him. He's not particularly good ar anything except being a copilot so far.

 

[aceface]

At least with Alderaan you had Leia reacting as well as Obi-Wan's "suddenly silenced" line. It was enough of an impact that you felt the threat was real when the Death Star showed up at Yavin. In this movie, it was so absurd - a whole system was blown up and nobody batted an eye. All the stakes in this movie were character-driven and personal. Because so little of the universe-at-large was established, and because the entire super weapon plot was contrived (seriously, a weapon that eats suns? Do you not know how planets work and how quickly everyone on that super weapon would freeze to death?) we as viewers just didn't care about the impending timer.

Functionally, I think the movie would have been the exact same if they had just gone to rescue Rey at the First Order base and the X-Wings were there for support/distraction. Blow up the base at the end, everything is basically the same. My biggest gripe with the movie.

Honestly I think the whole eating suns thing was just to set up the lighting in Han's death scene. Yeah it makes no sense but it's Star Wars, who cares.

For people saying why can they be their own characters?? Yeah they probably will be but this movie had so many callbacks to the OT that is it any surprise people are looking for the new han and the new Luke?

 

[Radec]

I'm not fond of Finn's character. VIII would be fine for me without him.

Kylo on the other hand needs to come back. Amazing character.

Snoke is a new character as well right? I haven't heard of him in the past movies.

 

[Ennosuke]

I think its hard to not make those assumptions when Most of the Movie is just a New Hope with a more diverse cast

I know, but we all should stop thinking like this. Another copy and paste Story in 8 and 9 and those movies will be doomed. Although TFA already presented us the new characters as being different from the old ones.

Does not really sense to say, that Rey has more Han character traits than Luke, so she is the new Han. That is wrong, she is different from both of them.

 

[Blader]

I think its hard to not make those assumptions when Most of the Movie is just a New Hope with a more diverse cast

But Rey, Finn and Poe are decidedly different characters than Luke, Han, and Leia. Finn especially.

Honestly I think the whole eating suns thing was just to set up the lighting in Han's death scene. Yeah it makes no sense but it's Star Wars, who cares.

For people saying why can they be their own characters?? Yeah they probably will be but this movie had so many callbacks to the OT that is it any surprise people are looking for the new han and the new Luke?

The sun eating thing sets up a ticking clock for the final battle, which frankly made more sense than the ticking clock in IV (why didn't the Death Star just come out of light speed on the other side of Yavin instead of taking the time to orbit around?).

 

[aceface]

I know, but we all should stop thinking like this. Another copy and paste Story in 8 and 9 and those movies will be doomed. Although TFA already presented us the new characters as being different from the old ones.

A big part of this new movie was playing it safe to a degree in terms of story and characters to get fans of the OT back on board with this new trilogy. Now, if they play with our assumptions about the characters and give us new surprises in eps 8 and 9 that will be awesome.

 

[Talon]

Get out of your shell.

The three major new characters (and Kylo) collectively share traits of Han, Luke, and Leia, but they're distinct characters. It's more than a remix, and it's refreshing.

 

[eot]

I rewatched it and the cantina scene was the worst to me, it was the only part where I could feel myself losing interest. I hope Maz died.

However, I thought I heard Yoda during the vision Rey had.

 

[jett]

But Rey, Finn and Poe are decidedly different characters than Luke, Han, and Leia. Finn especially.

The sun eating thing sets up a ticking clock for the final battle, which frankly made more sense than the ticking clock in IV (why didn't the Death Star just come out of light speed on the other side of Yavin instead of taking the time to orbit around?).

The characters may be different but the movie goes through virtually the same motions.

The movie opens on Not Tattooine. A droid, Not R2-D2, is given information that is vital to the Not Rebellion. The Not Empire is searching for this droid, led by Not Darth Vader (an apprentice of Not The Emperor). The actual Millennium Falcon is used by Not Luke Skywalker to escape Not Tattooine.

Not Luke Skywalker needs to find the leaders of Not The Rebellion, which leads her to look for underworld contacts in a cantina, Not Mos Eisley. Not Luke Skywalker discovers that she is Force sensitive and begins to discover her powers.

Eventually some of our heroes find their way to Not The Rebellion's hideout on the forest planet of Not Yavin 4. Here they learn about Not The Empire's new superweapon the Not Death Star. In a demonstration of Not The Death Star's power it is used to destroy the civilian planet of Not Alderaan.

During a daring escape from Not The Empire Not Luke Skywalker watches helplessly as a wise old man she has come to see as a father figure, Not Obi-Wan, is cut down by Not Darth Vader.

Meanwhile, a group of X-Wing pilots perform a Not Trench Run in order to blow up Not The Death Star by exploiting a design flaw.

Credits

 

[WadiumArcadium]

It seems kind of weird to think of Rey as New Luke or Poe as New Han. They all felt like new characters to me. There's definitely parallels but I didn't watch the film thinking oh, this character's just a rehash of a previous one. They all their had their own personalities.

I rewatched it and the cantina scene was the worst to me, it was the only part where I could feel myself losing interest. I hope Maz died.

However, I thought I heard Yoda during the vision Rey had.

Yeah, Yoda's voice was there. So was Obi-Wan's saying "Rey".