He got the Starkiller base shield shut off and bought enough time for Rey to recover and fight Kylo Ren.
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He got the Starkiller base shield shut off and bought enough time for Rey to recover and fight Kylo Ren.
LegalEagleMike
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Im sure we will get a bit more of the picture of how Kylo Ren fucked things up for Luke in Episode 8. Rey is going to have lots of questions for Luke and we will get bits of background throughout.
Demoncarnotaur
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Whatever happened to this dude in some gothic castle? I thought it looked really cool.
Damn, that looks cool.
I need to go back and catch up on all the leaks that happened, and see how it changed and took shape.
Yeah, I sort of forgot that after a few minutes.
Another thing I really liked was how dorky Rey and Finn were at times. Also really enjoyed the melee fight between that enhanced Stormtrooper and Finn. He be like: " Come at me, bro."
Absolutely badass.
Part of me wonders that if when this scene was written, it was Phasma.
But they decided to save her for later films rather than kill her off in this one, and that's why she's basically a no show.
Actually, he is crying all the time so he has to put the mask to prevent anyone from see him crying when he has a tantrum.
Lifejumper
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Did they really oversell it? He wasnt shown in any of the marketingYou don't need to use spoiler tags. You're in the spoiler thread.
I'll go back and catch up, but Luke in TFA has to be one of the bigger cases of over selling a character's appearance. I really thought he was going to have a bigger role - or at least some role - in the film. Nearly everything about the ending scene didn't work for me: Luke and Rey should have exchanged words before she held out the lightsaber. And the orbiting closing shot was something that worked much better in concept than execution: it looked exactly like a helicopter flying in a circle around two actors standing on a large rock. It was the least effective closing shot in the series (and I'm including the prequels here).
I couldn't believe Luke got second billing in the closing credits. :lol
Great movie, will watch again.
Yeah, she always seemed very excited around Han.
HigherLevel
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I know all the old EU books are non-canon now, but is there anything out or coming out book-wise considered official storyline? I'd like to read some to satisfy my SW cravings right now.
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You don't need to use spoiler tags. You're in the spoiler thread.
I'll go back and catch up, but Luke in TFA has to be one of the bigger cases of over selling a character's appearance. I really thought he was going to have a bigger role - or at least some role - in the film. Nearly everything about the ending scene didn't work for me: Luke and Rey should have exchanged words before she held out the lightsaber. And the orbiting closing shot was something that worked much better in concept than execution: it looked exactly like a helicopter flying in a circle around two actors standing on a large rock. It was the least effective closing shot in the series (and I'm including the prequels here).
I couldn't believe Luke got second billing in the closing credits. :lol
Disagree. Best scene in the entire movie. No words needed. Luke's face says: I know who you are, I know why you're here, I dont know if I can do it.
It's not like anyone's saying "THIS MOVIE SUCKS BECAUSE THE LIGHTER CLIPS THROUGH THE FLAP" (which it doesn't - which we're gonna see on the bluray!)
i loved it as well. There's so much emotion in Luke's face. Pain, regret, but also a spark of hope.
Or why he didn't switch to top turret once the bottom one got busted.
More filler crap is never a good thing. Film's perfect as it is.
I went to see this with a friend on thursday we've been talking about it non stop. I was talking to my GF about the original trilogy and casually told her Han Solo died, she slapped me in the face, then I realized she had not seen it, I almost cried for spoiling that to her, she says she didnt care much about it, still excited to see it with me on sunday.
I still feel like shi though.
I still feel like shi though.
brandonh83
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Yeah, I think it's about as good as she was going to do considering her age and the kind of don't give a fuck attitude she's developed over the years. That spark she had in New Hope died long ago, it was still there a bit in Empire but gone in Jedi.
Vault Dweller 111
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So do we just find it easier to nitpick certain things than talk about stuff we liked? The car ride home from the theater with my friends was the exact same way even though we all loved the movie, so I'm genuinely curious.
Reading this thread it feels like Gaf really did not like the movie, is this going to be another MGSV, Avatar, Jurrassic World type of thing on Gaf?
I understand the nitpicks. But I had a fucking blast. And it was a dream come true to be watching a brand new Star Wars movie.
So, what were actual opinions around here? Love? Hate? Disappointment?
Reading this thread it feels like Gaf really did not like the movie, is this going to be another MGSV, Avatar, Jurrassic World type of thing on Gaf?
I understand the nitpicks. But I had a fucking blast. And it was a dream come true to be watching a brand new Star Wars movie.
So, what were actual opinions around here? Love? Hate? Disappointment?
especially as the "character longingly looks at old family photo" is such a corny trope.
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ElBoxyBrown
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You don't need to use spoiler tags. You're in the spoiler thread.
I'll go back and catch up, but Luke in TFA has to be one of the bigger cases of over selling a character's appearance. I really thought he was going to have a bigger role - or at least some role - in the film. Nearly everything about the ending scene didn't work for me: Luke and Rey should have exchanged words before she held out the lightsaber. And the orbiting closing shot was something that worked much better in concept than execution: it looked exactly like a helicopter flying in a circle around two actors standing on a large rock. It was the least effective closing shot in the series (and I'm including the prequels here).
I couldn't believe Luke got second billing in the closing credits. :lol
I actually almost chuckled when they kept showing Luke's reaction. Every time the camera zoomed-in on his face he had a different look of mixed confusion. I swear half the time he didn't look like he knew where he was.
Yeah, those were Snowtroopers. Hehe
He was definitely a surprise to me also and I didn't really like it. Was really hoping for the badass that the trailers showed. I also think it's kinda corny how he runs around in his mask just so he can look more like Vader. Kinda like he tries to talk the talk without walking the walk.
Lifejumper
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Award winning emotion shown by mark hamil. Oscar nomination incoming . I think ep viii wil show that mark is one of the most underrated actors in the biz.
. I think ep viii wil show that mark is one of the most underrated actors in the biz.loved it but the movie felt to rushed. 20 minutes more and give some scenes more time and room to breath and it would have been the best scifi movie in years for me.
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LegalEagleMike
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most people liked/loved it. Nitpicking is inevitable.
i've been in this thread ever since the midnight screening, and my impression would be that not more than 10% of posters in here didn't like the movie.
nitpicking is fun.
Did they really oversell it? He wasnt shown in any of the marketing
True. But Hamil was very active in the marketing outside of the trailers, and got second billing behind Ford on the theatrical poster. Before it came out a lot of us just assumed they were holding back. Nope. :lol
Jest Chillin
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I don't know if this is for certain but... I would think there's a limitation on how many clones they could make since Jango was killed.
It's shown that by the time Star Wars Rebels (the new cartoon show) happens, they're recruiting actual humans. Star Wars Rebels takes place after Revenger of the Sith but before A New Hope.
There's also three books post RotS and Pre-Rebels, so perhaps the specific reasoning is discussed in one of those?
gutter_trash
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nope, I agree with people who complain that the pacing from place to place is too abrupt and too quick.
It is typical JJ Abrams movie things moving forward too quickly
some scenes needed more time for "exploration". I am not saying to spend much more time on Star Killer like they did on first Death Star. But the first Death Star seemed more massive because of the way it was made huge inside when the Luke, Leia, Han and Chewie were makign their way out
JJ has the habit of parachuting characters at the perfect spot and have them arrive perfectly at their destination without giving us the impression that the enemy base is massive. It seems too easy and too convenient
You don't need to use spoiler tags. You're in the spoiler thread.
I'll go back and catch up, but Luke in TFA has to be one of the bigger cases of over selling a character's appearance. I really thought he was going to have a bigger role - or at least some role - in the film. Nearly everything about the ending scene didn't work for me: Luke and Rey should have exchanged words before she held out the lightsaber. And the orbiting closing shot was something that worked much better in concept than execution: it looked exactly like a helicopter flying in a circle around two actors standing on a large rock. It was the least effective closing shot in the series (and I'm including the prequels here).
I couldn't believe Luke got second billing in the closing credits. :lol
i liked it that they did not say a thing
but that helicopter shot was baaaad
should just have stopped after showing his and her face.
Personally I will give it 8/10. i was in a joyful smile through the whole film, but there was a bit too much fan service. Death planet was a bad move.
Salty Catfish
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This complete plot synopsis someone posted back in May was pretty damn accurate.
He's lost even more weight after shooting TFA, so that was a bit of a hint that he had a very tiny presence in the movie. I almost expected him not to show up.
Yeah me too. I thought he was going to be saved for the next film.
that would give everyone the worst blue balls in recorded history. not even allowed to see luke til 2017? people would be really upset.
It's really interesting to check out now how different Kylo Ren was originally.
Does anybody have links to some of the fan art made when it was speculated that mecha-Kylo was Luke? I remember when that got reported as THE twist.
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Is it widely agreed that the best scene was the Han/Ren confrontation? I was pretty sure Han was gonna die, not because I had been spoiled but because I knew that there was some kind of spoiler that was just a few words, other wise people wouldn't of been so crazy about scrolling down to a YouTube comment quickly and seeing a huge spoiler. Hopefully what I just said makes sense, I'm pretty hungover.
Anyway. That scene was incredible. The tension and emotion was way better than anything Anakin and Obi Wan ever had. Ford was great, and I couldn't believe how much more I liked unmasked Kylo. He was such a great character.
The saber fight was also great. Real stakes and emotion which we hadn't seen in a saber duel for 30ish years. Although like others, the Rey kicking ass thing didn't totally hit home in the believable department.
Harrison Ford was older, but that was Han Solo. Amazon performance. Leia on the other hand... Never saw her and was like "yep, that's The Leia I know from the OT" Even Luke seemed more like himself than Leia with no dialogue.
Anyway. That scene was incredible. The tension and emotion was way better than anything Anakin and Obi Wan ever had. Ford was great, and I couldn't believe how much more I liked unmasked Kylo. He was such a great character.
The saber fight was also great. Real stakes and emotion which we hadn't seen in a saber duel for 30ish years. Although like others, the Rey kicking ass thing didn't totally hit home in the believable department.
Harrison Ford was older, but that was Han Solo. Amazon performance. Leia on the other hand... Never saw her and was like "yep, that's The Leia I know from the OT" Even Luke seemed more like himself than Leia with no dialogue.
Demoncarnotaur
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It's really interesting to check out now how different Kylo Ren was originally.
Does anybody have links to some of the fan art made when it was speculated that this mechanical guy was Luke? I remember when that got reported as THE twist.
Damn, makes me wonder what happened to him initially - I feel like something bad went down that turned him to Snoke originally, assuming he was still a Solo and Lukes old apprentice.
This. There was also some SICK shots in the final battle. My top one being a shot from a fixed camera inside the cockpit of an X-wing, it felt so damn real. That was the best thing about the dogfights, they didn't feel like CG things flying around, they had a real 'weight' and impact about them. Very different from the prequels and their "throw as much crap on the screen as possible" approach to dogfights.
Overall I really enjoyed all the aerial battle stuff. I'm sure there will be more focus on them in coming movies though, this one was more about what was going on at ground level with Finn/Rey.
Relaxed Muscle
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Movie was dissapointing, maybe it was because the hype was too big, or rose tinted glasses, but I feel it kinda lacks that something that made SW so special. Or maybe I stopped being a kid and instead I'm a cynical adult.
I mean certainly the movie was well factured, well directed and acted, and it respected the original trilogy, giving a new awesome paint to it's look. I mean all the ingredients for a great movie are there but that magic touch, epicness is not really there.
The weird pacing where is kinda slow at the start and the goes all rush, the fact it reennacts ANH to closely or the lack of exposure (it would have been nice if Finn change of heart was a bit better explained), certainly the movie could have used 20min more of footage to tie some loose ends.
Overall it feels like a product that tries to hard to play it safe, which is nice, becasue the result is certainly better that the George Lucas trilofy, but the result lacks something which I can't ponpoint. Call it heart, soul or charm, but that something is not there.
I realize that thse concepts are very subjective and too wide, but that's how I felt after the movie ended. Compared to the exilirating feel I abandoned the theatre after watching Mad Max it certainly lacked something to me.
I missed it, and I'm glad I did.
I mean certainly the movie was well factured, well directed and acted, and it respected the original trilogy, giving a new awesome paint to it's look. I mean all the ingredients for a great movie are there but that magic touch, epicness is not really there.
The weird pacing where is kinda slow at the start and the goes all rush, the fact it reennacts ANH to closely or the lack of exposure (it would have been nice if Finn change of heart was a bit better explained), certainly the movie could have used 20min more of footage to tie some loose ends.
Overall it feels like a product that tries to hard to play it safe, which is nice, becasue the result is certainly better that the George Lucas trilofy, but the result lacks something which I can't ponpoint. Call it heart, soul or charm, but that something is not there.
I realize that thse concepts are very subjective and too wide, but that's how I felt after the movie ended. Compared to the exilirating feel I abandoned the theatre after watching Mad Max it certainly lacked something to me.
I missed it, and I'm glad I did.
ElBoxyBrown
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Was it just me or did the actor playing Hux look a lot like Chris Evans?
All I kept thinking when Hux was onscreen was "Dam Cap. You were suppose to fight dictators not become one."
All I kept thinking when Hux was onscreen was "Dam Cap. You were suppose to fight dictators not become one."
Driver is 9 years older than Ridley and according to Visual Guide Rey is 19 years old. I can't see Kylo being only 19.
Bobby Roberts
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I don't know that there's a consensus on the single best scene in the film yet.
Personally, I think the "fixing the Falcon" moment with Rey, Finn & BB is the most entertaining bit in the whole film, myself. I know others think everything from Rey grabbing the saber to Chewie picking them up is the best sequence in the film.
People seem kinda mixed on Han going out on that gantry, actually. I liked the scene, though.
Grover Cleveland
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The clone factories were destroyed shortly after the rise of the Empire. So they stopped producing clones relatively soon after RotS. The clones (as a by-product of the advanced aging that allowed them to be grown and prepared for combat so quickly in the Clone Wars) die off quickly and thus the vast majority of the clone armies just died of old age between Sith and Star Wars.
When Han says "that is an amazing pilot" during that seen, I got chills.
To be fair, Finn was pretty damn brave at the end - he was there when Ren stopped the blaster shot mid-flight and knows exactly what a force user can do. He also knows he sucks with the saber, even though he's a great shot with a blaster ... And, yet, he stays; he holds his ground against a force user long enough for Rey to recover. That's a big deal; without him fighting, it's over.
I love it. From Finn's point of view, he hasn't done anything. It's great for drama because it's easy to see where he could lose self-confidence and esteem. But, the reality is, every victory in the movie - Poe's escape, the destruction of Starkiller Base, the defeat of Kylo Ren, is all attributable to his actions. He's a hero that is completely unaware of it -- like some people walking away from the film. However, characters like Poe and Rey see it -- which is why they're so attached to him.
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