Loved Adam Driver in the role. He does the petulant thing very well and also has this off-kilter, idiosyncratic style of dialogue delivery and other manneurisms that help give the character an air of menace and unpredictability.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Loved Adam Driver in the role. He does the petulant thing very well and also has this off-kilter, idiosyncratic style of dialogue delivery and other manneurisms that help give the character an air of menace and unpredictability.
Fine, but don't show me he can stop a laser bolt mid air and then vandalize a terminal because his prisoner escapes, it made for a good laugh, but he's a badass only 20% of the time.
brickarts295
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Nah, prequels are canon and they shouldn't be ignored. No matter how bad it was directed and written, they are mostly important to overall plot of the Saga.
Vincent Alexander
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I'll throw in my two cents that I loved him also.
-tetsuo-
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He didn't struggle to pull the saber, it was being pulled by someone else at the same time.
In the Before the Awakens novel that was released yesterday it shows
Finn as one of their most promising stormtroopers but on his first mission realizes the First Order doesn't protect the galaxy hit is actually feared and does things like kill civilians. This is what causes him to turn in FA. It also shows that Rey has a simulator in the walker she calls home and that is how she became such a good pilot. She also repaired a ship she found to make it fly able again.
Calcium
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I don't see the problem here. She wants to leave, but she can't because she is waiting for her family. So she is sitting there watching a ship leave wishing she was on it, finally reunited with her family or maybe thinking back to when she was a kid watching a similar ship leave her behind. I'm sure she looks at incoming ships exactly as you describe, but this one happened to be leaving. I think that scene is fine.
Its the first part of a 3 part series. I think some people really want these characters to be fully fleshed out in one movie. Finn had a great arc, It'll continue in the next movie. Simple.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Really? Your only defense at this point is to call sexism, without knowing ANYTHING else about my view on movies, besides this one specific argument about Star Wars? That's some ignorant Dark Side shit dude
Let me clue you in: V for Vendetta handled a female lead many many many times better than Force Awakens did, by featuring actual depth
Edit: Your silly argument also ignores other points I've made about wanting Captain Phasma to have MORE power and agency.
I'm just the opposite I don't believe Rey had any arc in the movie but at least Finn had one, albeit a sudden and weak one. He's a loser who was barely a functioning Stormtrooper and wanted nothing but to leave all that crap behind but decide in the end to help and become a hero. The Han Solo arc if you will.
What's worse for Rey is that the film is hell bent on capturing some classic SW imagery while with her character, especially on Jakku, but doesn't understand how those images run directly against her character. For instance:
Let's look at this classic image from ANH:
I don't think I need to tell you what this image is supposed to make the audience feel, it encompasses Luke's internal struggle with wanting nothing more than to leave his backwater home and his familial obligations. All he wants to do is leave home and experience some adventures but he feels trapped on Tattooine.
Now, let's look at a similar scene in TFA:
So, in this scene a few things happen and Rey does a few things that later make no sense as we learn a few things about her character. You see we're told by her that she is waiting for someone on Jakku, in fact that's all she can talk about and all she wants is to get back there in the film to keep waiting. However, that entire sequence portrays the exact opposite and instead invokes feelings similar to Luke of a character who wants nothing more than to leave Jakku. We see her put on a classic Rebel Fighter helmet as if she wishes to secretly join the Resistance and get mixed up in space adventures (you know like Luke) and the camera focus on her as she watches a ship transport leave. Again, such an image invokes the idea that she would want nothing more than to leave the planet, however, we know now that she wants to do just the opposite.
Thus, wouldn't it make more sense in that scene if she was intently watching a starship arrive on Jakku, hopelessly believing that this is the ship the person or people she is waiting for have returned? You know that classic feeling as a kid when you were waiting for someone to arrive and thus every car was that car or no, no, its definitely this car driving slowly.
What if it's against her true will?
Whatever happened to her before, maybe she was force wiped and told to wait for someone for her protection. Her true feelings are adventure and escape from that place but there is that impulse that always holds her back that was placed there by someone. Only when something matters to another person can she actually break free or circumstances go against her like the attack after she refuses to work for Han which shows she wants to return for some reason unknown to her, an impulse.
No, she loses the first fight against him and wins against a crtically injured Kylo Ren. Not only that, its made abundantly clear, she's had to fight her whole life, so, most likely, she's actually been in more life or death struggles than him. He relies on his power to win, she relies on her skill. Add a bit of force power to her and it's not surprising she one.
Jest Chillin
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Rey was behind him. It wasn't a battle of wills. Initially she's down and he's trying to Force Pull it and struggling. Then she gets up (off screen) and sucessfully pulls it. It flies towards him and he thinks he's done it (as does the audience) then you see the surprise on his face as he realizes it's not actually coming to his hand, and it flies past him into hers and you see the surprise on her face that it actually worked.
I'm just the opposite I don't believe Rey had any arc in the movie but at least Finn had one, albeit a sudden and weak one. He's a loser who was barely a functioning Stormtrooper and wanted nothing but to leave all that crap behind but decide in the end to help and become a hero. The Han Solo arc if you will.
What's worse for Rey is that the film is hell bent on capturing some classic SW imagery while with her character, especially on Jakku, but doesn't understand how those images run directly against her character. For instance:
Let's look at this classic image from ANH:
I don't think I need to tell you what this image is supposed to make the audience feel, it encompasses Luke's internal struggle with wanting nothing more than to leave his backwater home and his familial obligations. All he wants to do is leave home and experience some adventures but he feels trapped on Tattooine.
Now, let's look at a similar scene in TFA:
So, in this scene a few things happen and Rey does a few things that later make no sense as we learn a few things about her character. You see we're told by her that she is waiting for someone on Jakku, in fact that's all she can talk about and all she wants is to get back there in the film to keep waiting. However, that entire sequence portrays the exact opposite and instead invokes feelings similar to Luke of a character who wants nothing more than to leave Jakku. We see her put on a classic Rebel Fighter helmet as if she wishes to secretly join the Resistance and get mixed up in space adventures (you know like Luke) and the camera focus on her as she watches a ship transport leave. Again, such an image invokes the idea that she would want nothing more than to leave the planet, however, we know now that she wants to do just the opposite.
Thus, wouldn't it make more sense in that scene if she was intently watching a starship arrive on Jakku, hopelessly believing that this is the ship the person or people she is waiting for have returned? You know that classic feeling as a kid when you were waiting for someone to arrive and thus every car was that car or no, no, its definitely this car driving slowly.
She's told later that even though she wants to return to Jakku, she really knows that there is no reason to. I suspect the scene you posted shows is supposed to convey her conflicting feelings about staying or going.
TheOctodad
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I like this and agree that down thing like this happened. Intentionally or not she was a powerful student that killed or weakened the Jedi temple and allowed the Knights of Ren to destroy them.
Luke, seeing her power and feeling like he failed to help her contain it, blocked all of her force abilities and memory and out her in isolation. He feels responsible for both her isolation, but also the destruction she caused earlier. He goes into hiding - because of guilt, but also because he is scared that Snoke or some other evil will find him and access the girl.
This is why he looks so pained when she finds him
Fair point but I saw it more as something that evokes memories of her family leaving and how she's left behind. Luke stares out into space wondering what's out there, Rey looks at people leaving and feels alone in the world. Putting on the helmet shows her curiosity and childlike side, not a wish to be elsewhere.I'm just the opposite I don't believe Rey had any arc in the movie but at least Finn had one, albeit a sudden and weak one. He's a loser who was barely a functioning Stormtrooper and wanted nothing but to leave all that crap behind but decide in the end to help and become a hero. The Han Solo arc if you will.
What's worse for Rey is that the film is hell bent on capturing some classic SW imagery while with her character, especially on Jakku, but doesn't understand how those images run directly against her character. For instance:
Let's look at this classic image from ANH:
I don't think I need to tell you what this image is supposed to make the audience feel, it encompasses Luke's internal struggle with wanting nothing more than to leave his backwater home and his familial obligations. All he wants to do is leave home and experience some adventures but he feels trapped on Tattooine.
Now, let's look at a similar scene in TFA:
So, in this scene a few things happen and Rey does a few things that later make no sense as we learn a few things about her character. You see we're told by her that she is waiting for someone on Jakku, in fact that's all she can talk about and all she wants is to get back there in the film to keep waiting. However, that entire sequence portrays the exact opposite and instead invokes feelings similar to Luke of a character who wants nothing more than to leave Jakku. We see her put on a classic Rebel Fighter helmet as if she wishes to secretly join the Resistance and get mixed up in space adventures (you know like Luke) and the camera focus on her as she watches a ship transport leave. Again, such an image invokes the idea that she would want nothing more than to leave the planet, however, we know now that she wants to do just the opposite.
Thus, wouldn't it make more sense in that scene if she was intently watching a starship arrive on Jakku, hopelessly believing that this is the ship the person or people she is waiting for have returned? You know that classic feeling as a kid when you were waiting for someone to arrive and thus every car was that car or no, no, its definitely this car driving slowly.
I think this is nitpicking. People have conflicting desires all the time.
This is my thinking as well.
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I don't think anyone was surprised at that happening lol. He stopped a blaster bolt mid air and force pulled a full grown man to himself earlier in the film. I don't think a lightsaber is much of a deal. She and he were both pulling at the same time and if you had been paying attention to anything Rey had been doing the entire movie, you knew she was gong to win.
Vincent Alexander
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While maybe not the best way to convey it, I truly think this shot is there to remind her of the pain of her family leaving her. In the flashback scene of her as a kid yelling as the ship leaves it is framed slightly similar at one point.
Agreed
SixMachine
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I think it would be extremely strange if he was struggling to pull the lightsaber. He has the ability to stop a blaster shot and bind people. Force pull is one of the lowest skills on the heirarchy compared to something like force blaster defense. I think Rey interrupting his force pull makes much more sense.
I really wish they hadn't rushed this film. Such a garbage script. And all the locales/set-pieces were surprisingly uninspired and unimaginative, with the only exception being the crashed star destroyer.
Also Rey and Finn being able to handle Kylo was terrible... way to undercut your villain. Vader kicks Obi-Wan's ass, then he kicks Luke's ass in the first two movies. but two untrained kids playing with a toy can beat him? dumb
JJ is a hack but even then, I wanted to like it. meh.
Also Rey and Finn being able to handle Kylo was terrible... way to undercut your villain. Vader kicks Obi-Wan's ass, then he kicks Luke's ass in the first two movies. but two untrained kids playing with a toy can beat him? dumb
JJ is a hack but even then, I wanted to like it. meh.
Kitschkraft
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Yeah, it also played into the anger at Finn wanting to leave and join the pirates.
Abandonment issues.
In regards to her Mary Sue status, I think that it would have helped if they actually made Finn more competent as a character. Can't fly, lower understanding of tech, obviously no force, coward. Maybe decent blaster aim, but that's it.
Luke may have been just as good as Rey in ANH, but there was way more parity between him and Han then there was between Rey and Finn here. She took all the "cool" traits and items, he's left in a coma. I kinda left the theater feeling as though they purposefully wanted to emphasize her greatness over every single being in the story, and that Finn was mostly used as a plot-device to do that. The fact that he starts crushing on her almost immediately also lends itself to that. So now she's not only a great...everything...but we'll even use a sidekick to make sure that she looks ultra-desirable as well.
That's what midichlorian counts are for! Jokes aside, prior to this film, a person needed serious training to be competent with the Force. Anakin was literally Force Jesus and he still got beat by people with loads more experience than him. Obi-Wan was presumably nowhere near as powerful as Anakin and he still cut the dude in half and left him burning. Prior to Rey, the Force was space magic that you had to largely earn. Yes there were elements that a person could do subconsciously that made them a better pilot or mechanic but it also wasn't so simple that you could literally pick up in a day.
Not sure how to feel about this movie.
The planet-destroyer-whatever is bigger than anything else before it, but everything related to it is somehow smaller than before. Episode VI spent so much time dealing with the shield (following an entire striketeam) with a giant fleet having the final showdown with the empire and the greatest deathstar-run known to man. This time three people and a wookie strolls in on the ground while a couple of X-wings attacks above (mostly off-camera). Also everyone seem to conveniently arrive at the right place at the right time all the time.
It's like watching a giant checklist of plotpoints being checked off in real-time, with the speed getting faster and faster the closer to the end it gets.
The planet-destroyer-whatever is bigger than anything else before it, but everything related to it is somehow smaller than before. Episode VI spent so much time dealing with the shield (following an entire striketeam) with a giant fleet having the final showdown with the empire and the greatest deathstar-run known to man. This time three people and a wookie strolls in on the ground while a couple of X-wings attacks above (mostly off-camera). Also everyone seem to conveniently arrive at the right place at the right time all the time.
It's like watching a giant checklist of plotpoints being checked off in real-time, with the speed getting faster and faster the closer to the end it gets.
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OricWindstar
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I don't that makes him a bitch, I think that just shows that he's scared. He runs off to Snoke, who is basically his new father figure, not to say "fix this for me", but rather just seeks guidance. He wants to handle it himself, he tells Snoke he'll do it. He's not used to being violated in that way and, as he is in a particularly vulnerable state with his pull between light and dark, it makes sense he's shaken by someone summing up his life in one sentence.
I feel like the whole point of Kylo is that he wants to be perceived as a Vader type, but behind the mask he's a scared kid not sure if he can commit to the path he's chosen. And that to me is really interesting, especially going forward.
I do agree, I wish they had revealed her lineage and been done with it. I still find her to be a good lead as, while her backstop may remain a mystery, her arc as a character is not and it ends with a defining choice on her part. She's chosen to embrace her calling and leave behind her past of waiting.
thecouncil
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Wrong.
But first, you need to understand that I came to see a movie not Pt. 1(a) subection C of Star Wars The New Trilogy. A new SW movie, especially one kicking off a new trilogy, has to stand on its own legs. ANH works as its own little movie regardless of whether any future movies got made. I don't need every character fleshed out but I do expect a functional character arc for each of the leads and beginning, middle, and ending for the main plot. We know practically nothing in ANH about Vader or the Emperor but that's okay because we are given just enough for us in ANH for its main plot.
Similarly, Ren and Snoke work well this way as well. I don't expect to know everything about Ren right now but what I got with him and Snoke was enough for that one movie. I learned most of what I needed to about Ren from his actions. Now with Rey, the actual lead, I got next to nothing. It's like us knowing nothing about Luke Skywalker in ANH including having Obi-Wan cut from the film. Rey just feels hollow in the film and it doesn't matter how fleshed out she becomes in the future what matters is this individual movie now and right now she fails as a major character for me.
BravesCountry
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She may be a scavenger and is adept at fighting against bandits but it just felt unrealistic, like throwing an amateur street fighter into the ring with a trained professional boxer, even if that street fighter had to fight for their life constantly and the professional hadn't. I get that his training isn't "completed" but that feels like a cop-out. They also did a horrible job of portraying him as critically injured, because he was able to move around extremely well and it didn't seem to hinder him very much at all. Like I said earlier, gladiator is a movie that did a much better job of portraying a mortally wounded fighter realistically.
Has to be. If he thinks Vader kicked Obi-Wan's ass, he clearly saw a different movie.
God Dayumm
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Is that his actual voice in the movie? It is so deep and unsettling
Monocle
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There are certain shallow dismissive opinions I just can't engage with at all. People were doing this with Mad Max and the LOTR trilogy (not The Hobbit) too. It's like... whatever.
Yeah. When you see her looking at a leaving ship, you think it's because she wishes she could leave, just like Luke.
But in the flashback, the true significance of the leaving ship is revealed: It reminds her of her parents abandoning her.
The fact that she's holding out hope for her parents returning just serves to explain why she hasn't left yet. After all, she doesn't have family or any harvesting to do on Jakku like Luke did.
Ben isn't weak. He's pathetic as a person and a total wannabe but the dude has some mad powers, the freezing time stuff was unreal. He was also way more emotionally and physically damaged than any other person was in the middle of a saber fight. He's gonna wreck them up once he learns to handle his instability (or learns to better tap into it).
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Grover Cleveland
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I never perceived Rey as wanting to stay on Jakku permanently.
She wanted to leave the planet, but the need to wait for a family that hasn't come back for her overpowered that desire.
She wanted to leave the planet, but the need to wait for a family that hasn't come back for her overpowered that desire.
Calcium
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He's a wonderful custodian. Kind of a big deal, really.
I think it would be a great bait and switch if Rey turned out to have a very evil past she has blocked out
I really hope Star Wars shakes up the next 2 films, it cannot be a retread, I didnt midn the callbacks in this one but you cannot create two trilogies that absolutely mirror each other, Star Wars should not be predictable.
I really hope Star Wars shakes up the next 2 films, it cannot be a retread, I didnt midn the callbacks in this one but you cannot create two trilogies that absolutely mirror each other, Star Wars should not be predictable.
Monocle
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His voice was deep and awesome even without the mask. A pleasant surprise.
About Snoke, our Supreme Leader or should I say... DARTH PLAGUEIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqpy8YYQ2-I sounds really close to the Snoke Theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_zb3HWTwAY
is snoke a reborn Darth Plagueis?
some of you probably already talked about it and i missed it ^^"..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqpy8YYQ2-I sounds really close to the Snoke Theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_zb3HWTwAY
is snoke a reborn Darth Plagueis?
some of you probably already talked about it and i missed it ^^"..
The One and Done
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You are incorrect.
Idk how they could make it work but id love it. Sort of like Revan.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Finn will get his chance. It was a setup with the payoff obviously being later. I guarantee Finn will somehow be the thing that keeps Rey from turning to the dark side, and that he will have a reckoning with Kylo Ren before he turns back to the light at the end.
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