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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Dusktildawn48
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I know this'll won't be a popular opinion here
I know this'll won't be a popular opinion here
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I want this. It'd just be perfect.
I really, really hope not. Carrie Fischer can't do that. She was barely able to pull off what they asked her to do in this movie as it is. It was a really poor performance.
Vincent Alexander
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Because people are assholes, though some are trying to cover up being assholes by saying he doesn't look similar enough to Solo/Leia to be their son.
I have to disagree about Rey. She felt whole and complete with a beginning, middle, and end. But I'll completely agree about Finn. That fucker just fell off. I mean...his whole "turn" was him deciding not to run and come back. But he ends up going to rescue Rey...who didn't need rescuing. So he didn't really rescue anyone. He ended up being a passive protagonist, which is awful. I'll be supremely disappointed if he doesn't end up being a Jedi also.
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Holy shit. This is probably been discussed, but apparently Ewan McGregor provided Obi-Wan's voice for Rey's Force Vision. That's awesome.
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We will get Ewan Obi.
OricWindstar
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I'd argue though that it works because the film is about their relationship and actually makes it an interesting one. There's nothing wrong with having two leads, even if Rey is a bit more of the focus, as long as you write your script with that in mind. The prequels just lacked any kind of focus and did little to add any layers to the characters; The Force Awakens makes their friendship interesting and joyful to watch.
It also works because they're both going on similar journeys from slightly different angles. Both have never really been part of something other than survival, and together they learn that through their bond that, not only is life way more meaningful, but they can accomplish so much more with that motivation to fight. This works especially well in contrast to Kylo Ren, who is struggling to cut off his one connection the light.
So, don't get me wrong, your suggestion to make Finn the lead could still be a fun movie; he's actually my favorite character in the movie, so I'd love to see more of him. But I don't think it's an outright flaw to have it be more of a partnership, with Rey having a little more of the spotlight.
He's not looking like the Hollywood charming prince standard so all the brain dead people are doing their things...
No one laugh during the reveal but one dude say behind me: " What ?... he's just a kid ? just like her ?" he was surprised how ferocious and intimating he was with the mask but just looks like a young nerdy guy without it.
Grover Cleveland
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I'm assuming you flipped the greater than signs on accident and don't mean Attack of the Clones is the best Star Wars movie and Empire Strikes Back the worst, right?
If so, I agree with that ranking.
You know, other than the fact she was captured and tortured ...
Jest Chillin
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That write up is nice and all. Except when Lucas remastered and re-released the OT with new effects, additional scenes, replaced characters... basically just changed everything he wanted to... he didn't change the way the shot is animated at all.
So all of that write up is an educated guess at best that doesn't match up with Lucas' execution in the original or the remaster.
Dusktildawn48
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Lol I'm such an idiot sometimes
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Which was quickly and pretty effortlessly resolved
Fine Ham Abounds
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Classic good vs classic evil never happened in Star Wars. The conflict was always internal and external with certain characters you couldn't be sure about until the very end.
The PT couldn't pull this off even though it's exactly what it should have been about, which is why it was so damned terrible and unconvincing.
The PT couldn't pull this off even though it's exactly what it should have been about, which is why it was so damned terrible and unconvincing.
So I take it then you believe the Force Kick in RotJ was intentional instead of it being an actual production error?
Reading through this thread and thinking in the context of how the main Star Wars characters usually are it boggles my mind how can anybody complain about the character Rey. I understand the people who thought initially that Finn will be the main hero and still feel some kind of regret, but other than that my only explanation is that the issue with her character is that she's a woman.
Rey is one of the best drawn characters the whole series and the acting is top notch (generally well above SW standards, as most of the acting in episode VII was in fact).
Rey is one of the best drawn characters the whole series and the acting is top notch (generally well above SW standards, as most of the acting in episode VII was in fact).
Yeah, that's what happens in movies ... But doesn't negate the fact she was knocked out easily, captured, and mind raped.
Monocle
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Nailed it.
Moff
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But please, please have Rey be a double bladed lightsaber user. She already knows how to use a staff. Just do it!
^this is episode 8 rey
^this is episode 9 rey
I think maybe she killed everyone and Kylo was the only survivor. Luke locked away her force power and banished her so the darkside wouldn't find her. Kylo traumatised, disillusioned by the experience goes to the darkside and Snoke learns of this girl using Kylo to find Luke who is the only one who knows her location. Snoke wants her more than Kylo.
I wish the movies would give some visual nods to some of the SWTOR cinematics. Take Captain Phasma. She'd be the new hotness that's not Boba Fett. I mean look at Shae Vizla from SWTOR.
And maybe have a full reveal of the Knights of Ren like so.
But please, please have Rey be a double bladed lightsaber user. She already knows how to use a staff. Just do it!
I hope not, to be fair (when it comes to knights of ren). I hate the video game approach to star wars in the movies
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Great movies make it seem like something's at stake and instill reasonable doubt, with the eventual solution taking a reasonable amount of effort.
Not once did I think she was actually in jeopardy
PHOENIXZERO
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Ren is in no way, shape or form anywhere close to being on part with Vader. From the look of things his training with Luke was for a very limited time as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he was already heading down the dark path before being taken under Luke's wing because Leia and Han thought Luke could help him in a way like how Luke turned Vader back.
Jonneh3003
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiNFEH6JflQ
This review has really got me excited for seeing The Force Awakens.
This review has really got me excited for seeing The Force Awakens.
Personally my gripe with him has to do to the fact he's a Darth Emo, throwing tantrums like a teenager, it's boring, it's over used, it's twilight.
Don't care how he looks, he acts fine, but his character is just kinda annoying, that and the CGI characters are my only gripes with the film.
I hope that in the next movies he can drop the whiny attitude and start being what he should be, a guy that fucking stabbed his father while lying to his face.
PHOENIXZERO
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Dammit, that's a good point with what Maz said. Finn is the one who came back after seemingly abandoning her.
BravesCountry
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Poe is established as the resistances top fighter pilot, its not a stretch to assume he has been a combat ace and battle hardened for quite some time. That shot doesn't establish anything we didn't already know about him. He is also a minor role and so far as we can tell is a damn good pilot and nothing else. As for Kylo, people are more upset about kylo ren being beat up by a bunch of green rookies than him not being some all powerful character, I mean he is supposed to be trained by luke and has been presumably training with a saber for years. Even with a horrible wound he moved around extremely well so maybe they should have executed that idea better if his wound was supposed to hinder him so much. Forget her gender, you don't think she does everything exceptionally well to the point that there are no stakes with her character? She overpowers a seasoned powerful force user immediately, I mean come on. Stop playing the sexist card, there are serious problems with her character and people would have the same problems if her character was a male.
The Technomancer
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Anyone upset that Ren looks like too much of a goober doesn't understand that character. You can understand him and still wish he was different, I suppose, but its a great casting choice
Ganzlinger
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Do we have a consensus from the critics about Driver's performance? GAF seems pretty divided.
I think he was good.
I think he was good.
I'm just the opposite I don't believe Rey had any arc in the movie but at least Finn had one, albeit a sudden and weak one. He's a loser who was barely a functioning Stormtrooper and wanted nothing but to leave all that crap behind but decide in the end to help and become a hero. The Han Solo arc if you will.
What's worse for Rey is that the film is hell bent on capturing some classic SW imagery while with her character, especially on Jakku, but doesn't understand how those images run directly against her character. For instance:
Let's look at this classic image from ANH:
I don't think I need to tell you what this image is supposed to make the audience feel, it encompasses Luke's internal struggle with wanting nothing more than to leave his backwater home and his familial obligations. All he wants to do is leave home and experience some adventures but he feels trapped on Tattooine.
Now, let's look at a similar scene in TFA:
So, in this scene a few things happen and Rey does a few things that later make no sense as we learn a few things about her character. You see we're told by her that she is waiting for someone on Jakku, in fact that's all she can talk about and all she wants is to get back there in the film to keep waiting. However, that entire sequence portrays the exact opposite and instead invokes feelings similar to Luke of a character who wants nothing more than to leave Jakku. We see her put on a classic Rebel Fighter helmet as if she wishes to secretly join the Resistance and get mixed up in space adventures (you know like Luke) and the camera focus on her as she watches a ship transport leave. Again, such an image invokes the idea that she would want nothing more than to leave the planet, however, we know now that she wants to do just the opposite.
Thus, wouldn't it make more sense in that scene if she was intently watching a starship arrive on Jakku, hopelessly believing that this is the ship the person or people she is waiting for have returned? You know that classic feeling as a kid when you were waiting for someone to arrive and thus every car was that car or no, no, its definitely this car driving slowly.
breadtruck
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Great review! This is exactly how I felt as well
Vincent Alexander
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Well yeah, he is whiny. He pretty much still is a teenager. He is exactly what someone in his position would be like. What is over used is having a stereotypical badass who shows no emotion like a damn cardboard cutout. We're for 100% certain going to get to him being the more composed badass, but he had to kill the last thing left he loved that kept him attached to being good---his father.
OricWindstar
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DId he really whine that much? He had his saber tantrums, which I thought were great, but I don't recall him really whining. He got emotional talking to Han, but why wouldn't he?
There's also the flashback of her parents leaving and someone holding her hand, which explains why she dislikes Finn's constant hand hogging, their relationship is one of the best parts of the movie.
Monocle
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I'd have to say my absolute favorite part of The Force Awakens: Revenge of the Jedi is when young Anakin saves Kapitan Plasma from the T-Rex clone genetically engineered in Darth Vader's secret lab.
Calm waterfall
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I just finished watching the movie and it was very average to me. I don´t have nostalgia for SW, but i watched all the movies several times each. The movie was enjoyable, and the fan service was plenty. But the fan service did not affect me at all. It annoys me that Ray did not know who her father is, even though it was very obvious from the start of the movie. I knew that the movie will end before Luke talks. I was fearing that and looking at my watch to see if the movie is ending. I knew the movie was around 2 hours and 20 minutes long. It´s not cool ending the movie like that. It reminds me of the Hobbit 2 movie, with Smaug flying away and attacking the village. This movie felt incomplete. Yeah, i know it is the start of a new trilogy, but that was a dick move.
I have to say though that Han Solo´s death was handled nicely. I definitely don´t like the faux Darth Vader. Ray has awoken her powers, and she rivaled little Vader. That left a really bad taste in my mouth. She should not have, even though she had the force. Finn and Ray´s character were good, for the most part. Finn´s transformation was done quickly. I did not like how fast he changed his whole perspective, after years of brainwashing, and training.
The plot is very similar to the prequels with destroying the Death Star, and how the new Darth Vader massacred the other jedi trainee, much like Anakin did. It´s not good recycling old materials. All in all i give the movie 6/10.
I have to say though that Han Solo´s death was handled nicely. I definitely don´t like the faux Darth Vader. Ray has awoken her powers, and she rivaled little Vader. That left a really bad taste in my mouth. She should not have, even though she had the force. Finn and Ray´s character were good, for the most part. Finn´s transformation was done quickly. I did not like how fast he changed his whole perspective, after years of brainwashing, and training.
The plot is very similar to the prequels with destroying the Death Star, and how the new Darth Vader massacred the other jedi trainee, much like Anakin did. It´s not good recycling old materials. All in all i give the movie 6/10.
Driver did good although it does seem like Ren would be colder to his father due to years of Snoke brainwashing.
Jest Chillin
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I believe that Lucas changed what he wanted to and left alone what he wanted to leave alone. He isn't perfect but he had no problem retconning or outright changing what he wanted to.
I think what's completely flying over your head or maybe you're just ignoring it, is that a lot of aspects of both the OT and TFA are left ambiguous in order for there to be room for interpretation. This leaves room for there to be mystery about The Force.
Just being strong in The Force and even being trained doesn't mean that every way of using The Force is equal in execution. It's why Kylo can freeze a blaster bolt in midair but struggles with Force Pulling the Lightsaber. It's why Dooku and Palpatine have little issue manipulating huge and heavy objects while other Force users struggle with it. Different characters have different aptitudes at using The Force in different ways. Simply being trained or being "more powerful" doesn't mean that you're just awesome at everything.
Vincent Alexander
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Honestly, I think Finn had a great beginning and middle. He had a lot of potential, and what I hate is how it was dropped. His arc didn't have a proper ending for me, and all the pieces were there to make it happen.
I see where you're coming from, and I didn't think about that scene with Rey much. But now that I am, I think one could argue she is watching the ship so intently not because she wants to leave but because it brings back harsh memories of her family leaving her.
What's so cool about a guy that has this kind of power yet can't contain himself enough to not let out his anger on anything that stands in his way if things don't go according to plan?.
The scene with Han was great, all good there, but when Rey dissed him by telling him he's afraid he's not as powerful as Vader? he just storms off like the little bitch he is.
I have no problem with two leads and it could have worked had they written it correctly but it does not work in this film because they are clearly hiding one lead from the audience. Rey is just the big question mark the entire film that the film has no intention of answering but wants you to wait x+ years for the next movies to find out. As a result, she doesn't work as a lead character and it's why I believe Finn should have simply taken on the role if they were hell bent on Rey's secrets staying secret for now.
Agreed.
Except, it did ... Male heroes get away with this all the time. It's hard to view your efforts to try and take away from her character as just not liking a woman lead with power and agency. She made her own way, and that bothers some people.
I mean you're not complaining about Poe taking out 5 Tie Fighters in s single pass, flying a ship he'd never been in, or navigating inside a building to destroy the planet ... Only Rey having agency seems to bother you. All we're told about Poe is he's the pilot and everyone accepts it. Rey says she's a pilot, and no one can believe it. She's fought to stay alive for over a decade by herself, but hey - her fighting skills were just handed to her as a Mary Jane. Whatever.
Good points.
I think that would be a more interesting way to do the "Rey was Luke's student but had her memory reppressed" thing than having her be Luke's direct daughter. Obi-wan has a bloodline out there that would have force aptitude, if not a direct descendant. It's not far-fetched that Luke would have looked for a relative of one the only two Jedi he ever met when starting up his Jedi Academy.
It would also neatly make the Star Wars films all have a common thread of good Kenobis ending up having to fight bad Skywalkers. Kenobis da real chosen ones.
I'm just the opposite I don't believe Rey had any arc in the movie but at least Finn had one, albeit a sudden and weak one. He's a loser who was barely a functioning Stormtrooper and wanted nothing but to leave all that crap behind but decide in the end to help and become a hero. The Han Solo arc if you will.
What's worse for Rey is that the film is hell bent on capturing some classic SW imagery while with her character, especially on Jakku, but doesn't understand how those images run directly against her character. For instance:
Let's look at this classic image from ANH:
I don't think I need to tell you what this image is supposed to make the audience feel, it encompasses Luke's internal struggle with wanting nothing more than to leave his backwater home and his familial obligations. All he wants to do is leave home and experience some adventures but he feels trapped on Tattooine.
Now, let's look at a similar scene in TFA:
So, in this scene a few things happen and Rey does a few things that later make no sense as we learn a few things about her character. You see we're told by her that she is waiting for someone on Jakku, in fact that's all she can talk about and all she wants is to get back there in the film to keep waiting. However, that entire sequence portrays the exact opposite and instead invokes feelings similar to Luke of a character who wants nothing more than to leave Jakku. We see her put on a classic Rebel Fighter helmet as if she wishes to secretly join the Resistance and get mixed up in space adventures (you know like Luke) and the camera focus on her as she watches a ship transport leave. Again, such an image invokes the idea that she would want nothing more than to leave the planet, however, we know now that she wants to do just the opposite.
Thus, wouldn't it make more sense in that scene if she was intently watching a starship arrive on Jakku, hopelessly believing that this is the ship the person or people she is waiting for have returned? You know that classic feeling as a kid when you were waiting for someone to arrive and thus every car was that car or no, no, its definitely this car driving slowly.
later in the movie we are told that she already new that no one would be coming for her (Maz says it). I think she wants to go but does not want to give up hope that maybe someone would/could come. That's how I saw those scenes. She wants to go but at the same time she is afraid she could miss someone on jakku.
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