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[injurai]

My mom is still complaining about Han dying. She keeps saying "kill Leia or R2D2"

how would they have gotten killed lol

Everyone deals with grief in their own way.

 

[Oidisco]

I would like to be first to say that I think either Poe or Finn, or both... are gay.

I'm sure this will not be a popular opinion, but I honestly think Disney/Kennedy et al are going there.

Anyone with me?

I don't think so, but it would be pretty cool if that happened.

 

[megalowho]

Even as a movie full of coincidences and callbacks I really enjoyed it and got sucked in from the title scroll to the last shot of Rey and Luke. Cool Star Wars movie/remake/refresh and a fun theatre experience.

I'm into Kylo Ren as a flawed, more human but still vicious Sith apprentice. The hints they drop regarding Luke's school sets up his backstory without dwelling on it and the scene with Han was effective, even knowing the outcome. The Ren/Rey dynamic still feels pretty open ended, even if it ends up going in predictable directions it should be entertaining.

Rey was heroic and discovering force powers makes for crowd pleasing scenes, no problem with her being a natural. She does seem too powerful to not be heavily tested by the dark side eventually, doubt her overall arc will be as straight as it was in VII.

Finn, Poe, Han and Chewie were all bros, swashbuckling and cracking wise. Finn's got charisma for sure, stole a lot of the scenes he was in. And the various alien species and droids gave the movie character and flavor in a way that felt authentic to the tone of the original as opposed to the slapstick and cartoonish prequels. Only one I'm not sure I'm feeling is Snoke - gonna need that character expanded on a bit, feels a bit too much like Palpatine 2.0 as is.

If the hands aren't flying in the next movie I'm gonna be pissed. Kylo, Rey, Fin, 3PO, JJ Abrams. Errbody need to get dehanded to save the trilogy.

I was definitely fiending for some hand removal during the lightsaber duel. Had hope maybe they'd both get got. Next time, for sure.

 

[Vampirolol]

Except I'm missing something, but how exactly did Rey defeat Kylo Ren in that fight. This was supposed to be her first time using a lightsaber. Did she tap into the force or something?

Yes, she used the force. Some think that she had Jedi training when she was a child (note her capabilites with the staff), anyway Kylo was seriously injured. He probably didn't have a lot of training to begin with, Snooke decides to accept him once he clearly joined the dark side, I guess they never met before.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Was it the stomach? I thought it was his left leg.

Nah, he got it in the gut when Chewie shot him.

 

[Blunoise]

I just saw the movie and I would say the motivations for the characters wasn't bad but the arcs just didn't seem that good.

Finn being a Stormtrooper assigned to sanitation before doing his first field duties seems like something out of a Mel Brooks film. I would have almost wanted him to have plenty of field experience and be a great Stormtrooper, but something about Jakku made him be a 'good guy' and doing the 'right thing.'

Rey's arc I thought was fine -- I don't mind that she knows how to pilot the Millennium Falcon AND starts having Force sensitivity during the film. But introducing the prospect of her being tempted by the Dark Side was a bit much too. I liked that she had a strong reaction to Luke Skywalker's lightsaber. I'm hoping Episode 8 will have more of her having vivid flashbacks/memories and she learns to channel that.

Kylo Ren's scene with Han Solo I thought was extremely touching and I actually cried. I didn't mind his lightsaber tantrums because it fits with his character -- he's a raw, scared angry young man who has more power than he knows what to do with it. I'm hoping in Episode 8 he does become full on Vader and there's a lightsaber duel with General Leia (unless Carrie Fisher isn't up to doing any lightsaber duels). His duel with Rey was great and emotional and I actually clapped when Rey Force grabbed the saber.

Episode 8 has a lot to build on and I actually would want to see a "Special Edition" with the cut footage from Episode 7.

Man some of you guys need to read the Bedore Awakening book to get there background info. Finn was actually top of his training class and pretty good with combat trading. He only did sanitation because he was still a cadet.

 

[BravesCountry]

Man some of you guys need to read the Bedore Awakening book to get there background info. Finn was actually top of his training class and pretty good with combat trading. He only did sanitation because he was still a cadet.

Nah you really shouldn't have to read the book, the movie should stand on its own.

 

[Calcium]

As a result, as an audience member, we all believed that she wanted to leave the planet at that point. Her life sucks, she barely makes enough money to feed herself, and Jakku seems like Tattoine 2.0. Thus, when we are later told she wants nothing more than to go back there and keep waiting it runs in direct opposition to what we were shown earlier. It's not like Luke saying, "I can't leave I gotta help Uncle Ben with the harvest," while we know internally he wants nothing more to leave. With Rey it was never setup properly that she wants to leave and thus her revelation that she actually is all about waiting on the planet feels weird.

She tells BB-8 that she is waiting for her family. We know why she wants to go back.

Was it the stomach? I thought it was his left leg.

It was in the lower torso for sure. He was beating it during the fight. It looked like it was just above his belt.

 

[jelly]

My mom is still complaining about Han dying. She keeps saying "kill Leia or R2D2"

how would they have gotten killed lol

Wish it was C3PO.

 

[tkato]

He isn't Vader, but that's a good thing. I think you're also forgetting we had no idea why Vader was so evil in the first movie. He works really well, as he's perfect evil foil to our "aw-shucks" hero of Luke, but we don't really have any motivation for him in ANH outside of him working for the Empire. Kylo is much deeper than Vader was initially, not to say one is better than the other.

Maybe this is just me, but I like having villains who don't have their shit figured out. I want to watch the villains grow with the heroes, so for me Kylo is perfect in his imperfection. A, for me, a brat just whines until he gets his way. Kylo takes very clear steps to get want he wants. He seeks guidance, sure, but Kylo isn't waiting around for people to do things for him.

I have a good feeling that if handled properly, his story could become one of the better stories in the new trilogy, but we'll have to wait and see in Episode 8.
One thing is for sure, if you finish the movie and feel like you need to know more, it's a good film, and this one made me wish 8 was already out so I can binge it

 

[MMarston]

Man some of you guys need to read the Bedore Awakening book to get there background info. Finn was actually top of his training class and pretty good with combat trading. He only did sanitation because he was still a cadet.

We shouldn't need to though.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Was it the stomach? I thought it was his left leg.

It was in the gut.

 

[OricWindstar]

I think you're missing the point. The Tattoine sunset scene works BECAUSE we have been Luke the entire movie up that point and we actually see and hear his struggles, the scene is the culmination of all those internal struggles as he wishes for a better life. Now, with Rey we don't know anything about her with the time we are with her on Jakku. We don't know that she's been abandoned, we don't know what she is doing on Jakku, we don't know why she has to salvage parts for food. Thus, when we get to that scene we can only draw upon the knowledge of what we have seen up until that point and perhaps our prior SW knowledge in order to interpret her feelings.

As a result, as an audience member, we all believed that she wanted to leave the planet at that point. Her life sucks, she barely makes enough money to feed herself, and Jakku seems like Tattoine 2.0. Thus, when we are later told she wants nothing more than to go back there and keep waiting it runs in direct opposition to what we were shown earlier.

People can have more than one feeling, though. She wants to go back because here family may return for her, but she also longs to actually get out to the galaxy and live her own life. I liked that she had more complicated feeling than just wanting to escape. I imagine Luke would have been the same way if aunt and uncle hadn't been killed.

And, I would have loved more time with Rey's introduction, but we see enough to empathize. She's working for scraps, she's clearly getting fucked over by the guys buying the scraps, and, with her marking the days off on her wall, she seems to be sick of how long she's been there. Combine that with the helmet scene and I think you have plenty to connect with.

Speaking of that scene, loved that it had no dialogue.

 

[Tesseract]

erasable memory would be some lazy shit

 

[Blunoise]

Nah you really shouldn't have to read the book, the movie should stand on its own.

Star Wars is all about the history in all different medium's or else you would be asking question like everyone else.
Besides the book is there backstory before the movie

 

[rashbeep]

I would like to be first to say that I think either Poe or Finn, or both... are gay.

I'm sure this will not be a popular opinion, but I honestly think Disney/Kennedy et al are going there.

Anyone with me?

Finn was hitting on Rey pretty hard the whole movie

 

[tkato]

did you miss the scene where she closes her eyes and let the force flow through her?
Kylo says "I can teach you to use the force" and she remembers Maz words and concentrates on the force and kicks his ass



like the song is as close to a 1:1 copy as it can get, right?
and damn no one reacts to the songs!

Yeah they have the same vibe, but we'll have to wait and see

 

[civilstrife]

The lines:

"I love you"
"I know"

Will be spoken between Kylo and Leia.

Book it.

 

[Ovid]

He isn't Vader, but that's a good thing. I think you're also forgetting we had no idea why Vader was so evil in the first movie. He works really well, as he's perfect evil foil to our "aw-shucks" hero of Luke, but we don't really have any motivation for him in ANH outside of him working for the Empire. Kylo is much deeper than Vader was initially, not to say one is better than the other.

Maybe this is just me, but I like having villains who don't have their shit figured out. I want to watch the villains grow with the heroes, so for me Kylo is perfect in his imperfection. A, for me, a brat just whines until he gets his way. Kylo takes very clear steps to get want he wants. He seeks guidance, sure, but Kylo isn't waiting around for people to do things for him.

Kylo is very different from traditional villains.

We meet him when he's still figuring things out and on the rise. We are usually introduced to villains when they are at or near their peak (ex Vader).

 

[Timeaisis]

I doubt Han is actually dead

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

Star Wars is all about the history in all different medium's or else you would be asking question like everyone else.
Besides the book is there backstory before the movie

You mean like the entire "history" of the extended universe they just wiped out?

Yeah, that shouldn't be necessary for a film to stand on its own

 

[Henkka]

I think you're missing the point. The Tattoine sunset scene works BECAUSE we have been Luke the entire movie up that point and we actually see and hear his struggles, the scene is the culmination of all those internal struggles as he wishes for a better life. Now, with Rey we don't know anything about her with the time we are with her on Jakku. We don't know that she's been abandoned, we don't know what she is doing on Jakku, we don't know why she has to salvage parts for food. Thus, when we get to that scene we can only draw upon the knowledge of what we have seen up until that point and perhaps our prior SW knowledge in order to interpret her feelings.

As a result, as an audience member, we all believed that she wanted to leave the planet at that point. Her life sucks, she barely makes enough money to feed herself, and Jakku seems like Tattoine 2.0. Thus, when we are later told she wants nothing more than to go back there and keep waiting it runs in direct opposition to what we were shown earlier. It's not like Luke saying, "I can't leave I gotta help Uncle Ben with the harvest," while we know internally he wants nothing more to leave. With Rey it was never setup properly that she wants to leave and thus her revelation that she actually is all about waiting on the planet feels weird.

She wants to leave and she wants to wait for her parents. It's called internal conflict.

 

[jtb]

Reads like sarcasm.

Garbage and hack.

There it is.

I'm trolling (I'm a known JJ hater), but not really. I wish it wasn't so shamelessly a retread. Especially since JJ has used all these tricks (to similar poor effect) in the two Star Trek films. I hate that I'm even saying this because the prequels are complete irreedemable garbage through and through but at least they failed on their own incredibly dull intergalactic taxation-based terms. This was just... the same scenes, the same beats, the same shots... just replayed out of order. Executed competently... but still utterly pointless.

at the very least, you would have thought that they would have tried a little harder to come up with more imaginative locales and scenarios if only for the sake of the toys! won't someone think of the toys!!! a third death star?

really?

really?

also, I was not impressed with any of the flying action sequences (with again the exception of the downed death star on Jakku). JJ is too impatient a director to properly stage them the way the OT had no choice to because of garbage special effects technology lol

 

[tkato]

erasable memory would be some lazy shit

But memory reading is in someway elaborate story telling? the force itself as a plot device is lazy as hell, but it works, and could add more depth to a character.

 

[injurai]

I doubt Han is actually dead

 

[Anbokr]

About Snoke, our Supreme Leader

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqpy8YYQ2-I sounds really close to the Snoke Theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_zb3HWTwAY
is snoke a reborn Darth Plagueis?

some of you probably already talked about it and i missed it ^^"..

awww shit this can't be a coincidence

 

[OricWindstar]

I have a good feeling that if handled properly, his story could become one of the better stories in the new trilogy, but we'll have to wait and see in Episode 8.
One thing is for sure, if you finish the movie and feel like you need to know more, it's a good film, and this one made me wish 8 was already out so I can binge it

For sure! I get people being thrown off by him being so different than Vader when all of the marketing seemed to indicate he would be a similar type of character, but I loved how damaged he was.

And yeah, I imagine he's only going to get more interesting in VIII. His look at Rey as the planet split apart was haunting.

 

[BravesCountry]

Star Wars is all about the history in all different medium's or else you would be asking question like everyone else.
Besides the book is there backstory before the movie

The book is for super fans, in no way should it be integral to understanding something happening in the main episodes.

 

[civilstrife]

I doubt Han is actually dead

 

[WadiumArcadium]

I doubt Han is actually dead

He'll be back in Indy V.

 

[pringles]

Except I'm missing something, but how exactly did Rey defeat Kylo Ren in that fight. This was supposed to be her first time using a lightsaber. Did she tap into the force or something?

1. Kylo was badly wounded
2. Rey was established as very good at melee combat
3. Rey was getting her ass handed to her until she got power from the force

First time Luke uses a lightsaber he stops several laser shots without using his eyes.
The force is a powerful ally.

 

[RadioactiveLobster]

I doubt Han is actually dead

Unless he fell into a worm hole I think we can count him out.

 

[kingocfs]

I doubt Han is actually dead

You know he ain't gonna be in Rush Hour 3

 

[tkato]

For sure! I get people being thrown off by him being so different than Vader when all of the marketing seemed to indicate he would be a similar type of character, but I loved how damaged he was.

And yeah, I imagine he's only going to get more interesting in VIII. His look at Rey as the planet split apart was haunting.

The planet splitting between them was cheap, almost cringe worthy lol.
But yeah, he seemed legit afraid of her after she split his face into two.

 

[The Elite]

My rankings as of right now 7=5>4>6>3>1>2

Might change on repeat viewings.

 

[Xun]

About Snoke, our Supreme Leader

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqpy8YYQ2-I sounds really close to the Snoke Theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_zb3HWTwAY
is snoke a reborn Darth Plagueis?

some of you probably already talked about it and i missed it ^^"..

I was pretty certain when watching the film, but even more so now.

 

[KingSnake]

I really loved that Kylo was not the perfect unbeatable villain with no feelings. And actually you can see how almost nobody actually respects him like he is the evilest of the evil. Some stormtroopers treat him as a lunatic and turn their back and run away. He's not a big leader and he's practically competing with General Hux for the power. Yes, he's a great user of the dark side of the Force, but it seems rather more a brute force user than a very well trained one. Actually even Snoke said in the end that he needs to complete his training. So the fact that he was defeated by Rey is not that strange, him being obviously wounded and having a moment of doubt when he ask her to join the Dark side.

 

[Ether_Snake]

But please, please have Rey be a double bladed lightsaber user. She already knows how to use a staff. Just do it!

You know she'll have the blue saber first, and then Luke's when he dies. Too easy not to do it, but only in IX. It will be like the transformation of Luke in VI when we see him for the first time.

 

[Calcium]

First time Luke uses a lightsaber he stops several laser shots without using his eyes.
The force is a powerful ally.

Who was shooting at him in Ben's hut? Man, those special editions must be nuts.

 

[jtb]

Han is dead as shit. dead dead dead

Harrison Ford always wanted to die in Return of the Jedi. more fan-service masturbatory bullshit... I get it, everyone loves Han, I love Han, but Harrison Ford is fucking comatose at this point

JJ!!!!!!!1!

 

[Huw_Dawson]

I doubt Han is actually dead

A 70 year old man with no force ability:

1. Gets stabbed in the heart
2. Falls down a bottomless pit
3. Which promptly explodes along with the entire planet.

Dude's dead.

 

[OricWindstar]

You know she'll have the blue saber first, and then Luke's when he dies. Too easy not to do it, but only in IX.

One has to wonder if Luke still uses a saber or if he's beyond that now.

The planet splitting between them was cheap, almost cringe worthy lol.
But yeah, he seemed legit afraid of her after she split his face into two.

Haha, I actually dug that.

 

[MMarston]

I doubt Han is actually dead

I mean, you could argue that Boba lived by fighting out of the Sarlacc buuuuut


Han not only got stabbed and fell down a shaft that may likely to lead the planet's core, said planet got turned into a fucking sun.


He's gone.

 

[Blader]

My girlfriend, who never saw Star Wars until this year and was mostly ambivalent about them after watching them, loved this movie, said it was her favorite and wants to see it in theaters again (which she never does for anything).

There has been an awakening.

 

[jett]

I wish the movies would give some visual nods to some of the SWTOR cinematics. Take Captain Phasma. She'd be the new hotness that's not Boba Fett. I mean look at Shae Vizla from SWTOR.

And maybe have a full reveal of the Knights of Ren like so.

But please, please have Rey be a double bladed lightsaber user. She already knows how to use a staff. Just do it!

What you posted is kinda cheesy, it's like a bunch of fanboys lighting up their toy lightsabers. And I have no need for supermodels in Star Wars movies.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

Han's as dead as Sheev.

So dead dead.

deaddeaddeadeaddead

 

[Ovid]

I doubt Han is actually dead

Lol.

Dude got stabbed through the stomach (or chest) with a light saber. You don't recover from that. On top of that he fell off of a sky bridge.

He's dead.

Spoiler

Even if he landed in one of those tunnels like Luke in ESB, HE GOT STABBED THOUGH THE STOMACH WITH A LIGHT SABER.

 

[Sesuadra]

I was pretty certain when watching the film, but even more so now.

felt crazy myself but they are so similar. he has to be it! I mean he is even canon.

A 70 year old man with no force ability:

1. Gets stabbed in the heart
2. Falls down a bottomless pit
3. Which promptly explodes along with the entire planet.

Dude's dead.

if they bring him back after that death scene...no. you can't have a more obvious death than having your dead body inside a planet that exploded.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

A 70 year old man with no force ability:

1. Gets stabbed in the heart
2. Falls down a bottomless pit
3. Which promptly explodes along with the entire planet.

Dude's dead.

Nope. Phasma somehow saved him after his body landed in a garbage compactor.

 

[Calcium]

I get it, everyone loves Han, I love Han, but Harrison Ford is fucking comatose at this point

I agree about Ford being comatose, but I have to admit that he was able to turn on that Solo charm for TFA. I'm usually irritated at how low key he is in interviews, but the second he showed up on screen in the movie he was Han Solo.