[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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lol this thread is moving at lightspeed. I'd say most people aren't sharing all of these sentiments and actually really like the movie.
You need to rewatch Attack of the Clones.
Ether_Snake
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Yeah, I'm sure to JJ it looked clear, but all the audience got out of it is "oh, Rey has the force or something, and her parents left her alone".
For the first movie in a trilogy, there shouldn't have been so much confusion left in the plot.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Surely you realize there are people who only write, and are a lot better at it than JJ?
BruceLeeRoy
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God no. Don't give Leia anymore screen time please!! Think of the children.
Her CG was definitely not as bad as your acting either. I thought she was a good charachter
HP_Wuvcraft
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Clicking on this thread, I knew I'd see anal nitpicking like this.
Maz was an amazing character.
And Kylo Ren not being menacing enough? His entire backstory and refusal of anything he deems unworthy or lame - he's basically Handsome Jack in flesh form. A child with a handgun. He fucking murders his father. Pre-emptively, I might add.
Kylo isn't meant to be that menacing
He's flirting between the dark and light side.
Hovering towards the dark side but he is still pretty young.
It's in an interesting idea in a vacuum, but it goes against what they were doing with the movie imo. He chose to kill his father as a way to do something Vader couldn't. I think he was somewhat messed up cos of it, but I don't think he wanted to die.
My theater only cheered at The Falcon, Han/Chewie, Leia, C3PO, RD2D and Rey picking up the lightsaber.
It's the first time I've ever seen cheers and I made the experience better for me. It was really cool.
brandonh83
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I said that? I said that there always seems to be a disregard to the creative effort that goes into it and I do get "I could do this better" every time. And I don't know, I haven't seen anything from Landis that reinforces this. He may be an actual writer and I'm not actually criticizing him, I'm just not at ends with all these fans that go on about what should've been different. But excuse me if I'm thinking out of line here.
I surely do. But Landis hasn't ever convinced me of it.
CountAntonius
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I loved this movie and I'm fighting off the urge of seeing in theaters again because movies are expensive and the Hateful Eight is coming soon.
Ghostmaster
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Sure, but Anakin is pretty much Jesus at that point, conception and all.
I don't get the whole Mary Sue arguments, this is a thing from high fantasy that Star Wars has always heavily borrowed from, especially from King Arthur.
Arthur doesn't pull out that sword because he is an expert on stones or swords or because he has spent years on his pulling game, he pulls out Excalibur because he's Arthur.
And just like how Arthur got his training from Merlin because he was Arthur, so will Rey from Luke because she is Rey.
orthodoxy1095
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I don't feel about it as positively as some here, but in a world where Episode 2 exists, there's no way this can be true.
LegalEagleMike
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If Qui-Gon hadnt made Anakin stay in that cockpit and instead given him his lightsaber Qui-Gon would have lived.
I disagree.
Rey getting yet another unearned power up just smacks of convenient writing and does nothing but further diminish Ren and suck out the tension.
Landis' take doesn't insist that Ren 100% wants to die. Just that a part of him does because he murdered his own father and that tear within and the physical pain is actually unhinging him.
I saw it Thursday night in IMAX, the first showing in our area, and the atmosphere was great. Everyone, and I mean everyone, was incredibly courteous. There was a sense of community, and several people commented that "we're all in this together".
We cheered when the ads started 20 minutes before the movie, probably because many of us had been in our seats for more than an hour (no reserved seating). There were several crowd reaction highlights.
It was the best movie-going experience I've ever had, bar none.
We cheered when the ads started 20 minutes before the movie, probably because many of us had been in our seats for more than an hour (no reserved seating). There were several crowd reaction highlights.
- After the Star Trek trailer ended, someone yelled out, "Still not Star Wars!" and got a big laugh out of it.
- After the third trailer, a person began loudly sing the 20th Century Fox theme, and yelled, "Let's go!", again, followed by laughter.
- We clapped for the Lucas Film Logo, the Star Wars Logo, the Crawl, and the appearance of every character from the OT.
- At the end, we applauded, and the same guy who yelled after the Star Trek trailer yelled, "C'mon, get up!" and tried to get a standing ovation going, to moderate success.
It was the best movie-going experience I've ever had, bar none.
Glass Shark
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For me I felt it went further than that. There were moments when I thought they replaced her lips completely and superimposed them onto her actual face. There was some odd twitching going on.
He's ugly as sin. And not menacing ugly, but goofy ugly. The ugliest actor I've seen since Sean Penn.
BruceLeeRoy
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The New Republic should be powerful enough to keep them at bay, I mean, if it is anything like the Old Republic I'm amazed FO made such a huge weapon and recruited a fuckload of people and nobody noticed.
Scientist Supreme!
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Great discussion. I glad you explained in detail why she was one without getting upset that someone criticized the film.
DragonSworne
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Yep. Leia should have been the character that fulfilled the purpose of Maz.
But nope, we have a regressive Leia and an CG all knowing Yoda wannabe.
I hate what they did to Leia in this movie, worse than bikini.
I'm highly suspicious of some of the criticism I've heard against her.
nicoga3000
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Not related to TFA, but we just finished watching Ep III again. The scene where they execute the jedi kill order is rough.
Anakin is Force Jesus. He is an anomly in the universe created by the Force.
He is an overpowered 8 year old in The Panthom Menace, and later on grows up to become a mentally fragile, impulsive and gullible adult that is crippled by fear.
Being a Stu doesn't just connote physical strength. It also connotes a lack of character flaws. Anakin had a lot of those. Rey has virtually none aside from naively holding on to hope that her family will come back for her.
brandonh83
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I mean the "Republic" were lesser than the Empire. They blew up the Death Star and crippled them, but we're talking about a galactic empire. They're huge.
He specifically says he would repeatedly give them their lightsaber so he could be killed.
With his ending, Rey still gets the powerup but it would be unearned since she was never truly in danger.
I would have sat in the theater for another 15 minutes if it meant adding some of these lines of dialogue into the movie.
Snoke telling Ren that the reason his grandfather failed is because he got sentimental adds to the bridge scene and it clears up the thought that ren is unaware that Anakin went back to the light.
This would have made the climax on the catwalk with Han and Kylo very predictable and on-the-nose. It could have happened but in a more condensed, less obvious way though. But if this conversation happens in the next movie it'll still be good and relevant.
Demoncarnotaur
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In the theater for round 2, hell yeah
Discotheque
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i said "are you shitting me" under my breath when that scene happened, but at the same time i still liked it.
and adam driver/sean penn are (extremely) unconventionally attractive people imo. the latter looks like a used baseball mitt now though but still i think so.
Yep. Major bummer for me. Especially since it included a flash-forward to Ren as well there's just no way to read anything coherent out of it.
Would've been more interesting for sure.
He's also on the money about Rey being a Mary Sue. People giving him hate are pretty much idiots.
Some light sabers in the old EU had switches on the inside of the handle, so only someone with Force ability could activate them. But that's by no means a widespread thing, it was more of a case by case basis as a design choice by the individual Jedi user. I'm struggling to recall specific characters who had one like this, though I'm sure others in here could name some.
But having force ability is not a requirement to wield a light saber, though it does of course help. They're much more dangerous than using a regular sword, definitely.
eyeball_kid
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Yeah, I thought it was mostly agreed at this point that Nien Nunb was a pretty tacky racist stereotype character. Was surprised to see him show up again.
Fun fact about Ackbar I didn't know: Erik Bauersfeld voices Ackbar in ROTJ and TFA. He is 93 years old! It's pretty awesome that he's still doing voice work. Bauersfeld also voiced Bib Fortuna.
Chet Rippo
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This whole movie felt like I had already seen it before. Finn was about the only thing refreshing about the movie.
TheKaeptain
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Yeah, what the hell?
I just got an anti boner
Scientist Supreme!
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You don't like him very much it seems.
Discotheque
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yeah reading up on mary sue that's exactly what Rey is. the term is corny though.
whatever, i suspect she'll be more vulnerable in the sequel. setting her up for god-level in the final film.
whatever, i suspect she'll be more vulnerable in the sequel. setting her up for god-level in the final film.
Spiritreaver
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The term is the worst. Why do tropes like these always have the worst fucking terminology?
brandonh83
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Not a hard feeling to achieve.
Ah, so I skipped a word and a hyphen. I meant a "critically well-reviewed" movie.
I envy you. I've been waiting for a good Star Wars movie for nearly 30 years. It felt like a movie I've been missing my whole life.
Yes, he would repeatedly return to lightsaber because a part of him wants to die and it's causes him to act illogically. At that point Ren would be at war with himself more than with Rey or Finn.
He would be such an overwhelming foe that Rey taping into the Force wouldn't actually suck out the tension of their fight. She wouldn't just suddenly tap into it because Ren mentioned it. She would do it because she is under enormous pressure and her innate affinity is triggered by it. The tension would still be there that way. It would be a much more dramatic and layered confrontation than what we got.
I also just want to say that regardless of whether Cpt. Phasma is in the future films her character has already been ruined as any type of badass by this film. I honestly don't care if she's alive. It's like they were setting her up as the new Boba Fett but forgot that Boba Fett was an actual effective badass when we first met him. Phasma was a chump or did nothing but stand around for a few scenes and then she gets easily captured, gives into threats of death, and then gets dumped in the trash. It's like us being introduced to Boba Fett as he's falling into the Sarlaac Pitt.
Basically, if she is alive nothing she does can ever redeem her chumpiness. How can anyone take you seriously as a threat when a 70 year old man managed to capture you and divulge the one and most important thing you're supposed to protect about your big base? Unless they are intentionally setting up Phasma as a joke.
Basically, if she is alive nothing she does can ever redeem her chumpiness. How can anyone take you seriously as a threat when a 70 year old man managed to capture you and divulge the one and most important thing you're supposed to protect about your big base? Unless they are intentionally setting up Phasma as a joke.
Agreed, Finn was my favourite character in this. He got completely wrecked at the end.
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