but she said it confidently and convincingly so let's roll with it
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but she said it confidently and convincingly so let's roll with it
Good contribution. Keep on ignoring actual policy debates.
slightconfuse
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Yesssssssss Bernie give me dat single payer system
Butts-a-plenty
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That's how policy evolution works in this country.
And_Gignac
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I wouldnt call him terrible but yeah, he cant get his message to come across nicely. Elizabeth 2020 please.
As a Hillary supporter, I completely agree.
Yes only sometimes. Wall street is just a place where people who want to invest get matched with companies who need investment. It creates jobs and growth in the economy. America would be much worse off if the center of the financial world was not in the US
Also people like Bernie associate any money that comes from businesses as "Wall street" which is ridiculous. The way Republicans create a boogeyman from minorities and muslim refugees, Bernie is similarly unfairly demonizing businesses and Wall Street.
We can make smart regulations regarding Wall Street just like we could on Syrian refugees, but it doesn't help anyone when you constantly demonize a group
I don't see why anyone would pick him as VP running mate.
The Lamonster
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Does Sanders have a normal talking voice or does he just yell all the time
User 463088
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Absolutely not.
Bernie, please give us a specific amount that you would need to increase taxes by to afford your healthcare plan.
Battersea Power Station
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Listen, people don't vote in midterms. It's a stupid goal to shoot for. It just doesn't work, and Sanders' supporters a re delusional to think it will. The GOP just got lucky in 2010 because they managed to tap into a grassroots movement that fired people up.
Leona Lewis
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Oh my god, someone give this guy a debate coach.
The cringe -.-
The cringe -.-
legacyzero
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Could somebody explain what a Single Payer system would look like?
Yes. But Hillary does not want single payer as endgame. Even Obama wants it.
This is where she fails.
But that "better than before" speaks volumes. ACA has glaring flaws, but it's gotten millions of people insured. Better to improve it than scrap it with no alternative like the Republicans are proposing, and the pipe dream Bernie is proposing.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Sure I agree to a point. I also agree that Obama missed an opportunity to continue the momentum he had. However, I think it should be the job of the DNC to energize the base. The GOP does it through fear and ignorance. The DNC should be energizing the base by loudly shouting from the rooftops that all Americans aren't ignorant bigots and get those reasonable people out to the voting booth.
Medicare.
Dems get nothing out of that. They need a Southerner or a Midwestern to snag some swing votes.
PhoenixDark
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Sanders never had specifics on taxes. I wonder why...
And_Gignac
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How many years more do you think we need, my champion progressive? A couple of decades perhaps?.
UnObtainium17
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sad but yep. Average voters wouldn't know.
Bam Bam Baklava
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As someone who actually benefited from ACA that's bullshit.
I would have a lot more support for Hillary if she would just support a push for the public option being introduced.
She has some decent small tweaks but they don't move the needle.
She basically just says I will fight for the status quo, and a few subsidies, and make sure it operates as it currently does and try and improve some bureaucratic processes.
She has some decent small tweaks but they don't move the needle.
She basically just says I will fight for the status quo, and a few subsidies, and make sure it operates as it currently does and try and improve some bureaucratic processes.
Butts-a-plenty
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Germany and Switzerland have some of the best healthcare systems in the world and neither is Single Payer.
I watched a sit down forum a couple of months ago and he was shouting during what was clearly a quiet conversation type event. Yelling is just his public event voice.
You're asking for something you won't get from any other candidate. President doesn't pass legislation in a vacuum. You know that.
All this tax fear coming from the Democrats is a good sign that we're fucked.
Three tumors is better than five.
Still does not change the fact the body still has cancer.
I'd rather pay higher taxes if it means I don't need to have to worry about private insurance ever again.
BlackGhost
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Lmao
Joe Shlabotnik
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Probably. These things tend to have tipping points though, and progress has finally been made, so maybe sooner than it feels now.
Nonsensical analogy
My single issue vote is for analogy control
soul creator
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That Medicare tax we already get taken out of our paychecks? That gets bumped up a bit, and everyone is eligible for it, not just old people.
Tarkus
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Because it would scare the shit out of voters
You (and everyone) would benefit more from single payer.
They're not though......so??? At least Bernie is coming up with some ideas to help break the inertia.
IF YOU WANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY YOU NEED TO SCREAM!
RumblingRosco
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Drink every time Sanders has a hand waving above his shoulder level.
I feel like her team thinks, and they might be right if they do, that a public option would be a non-starter in the election. Obama had to tank it almost instantly when the ACA was being planned and frankly not much has changed since then politically.
User 463088
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He hasn't, to the best of my knowledge, provided specifics on how he's going to pay for (anything) his universal healthcare. He had a bill that he proposed that, literally, said they'd have to figure it out later.
UnemployedVillain
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I wouldn't say that's really "working" as it's on a downward trend and going broke...I think we should look more to how European nations do it than our closest analog, although maybe it's scaling issues that separate us from them?
Battersea Power Station
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He's catering to the uneducated masses and college stoners. He's so transparent in his motives, it's honesty disturbing. You're never going to get anything but vague populism from him because he doesn't live in the real world. I feel sorry for his constituents in Vermont.
Her suggested policy evolution sucks something awful though.
We don't have single payer, I can't afford to have alcohol poisoning.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Single payer wasn't an option when this was going to be passed and it sure as hell isn't an option now with GOP domination in Congress. Should those other people and I have waited for liberals to take over Congress in a couple decades to get even slightest morsel of progress?
This single payer or nothing argument is bullshit and it always will be. Progress is progress.
He's from Brooklyn. If TV stereotypes have taught me anything, everyone there yells all the time.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
medicare shouldn't negotiate lower costs?
Because this is an argument that requires a lot of explanation to get right.
He is right in saying though that in the long run it saves everyone money.
Every western country bears this out.
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