Live from New Hampshire, it's the 3rd Democratic Primary Debate!

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TheLaughingStock said:
It's extremely sad when tax increases kill reforms like UHC as seen in places like Vermont and probably soon Colorado. But it's even worse at the federal level. The US just passed a major spending/tax package yet instead of demanding lawmakers run a deficit that works for you...you'd rather raise taxes for a misinformed reason. Ignorance is killing the US in so many ways.
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Excuse me? Where did I say I am against deficits son?

Don't start putting words into my mouth and then inferring I am ignorant because of it. If you are going to quote me, respond based on what I say, not what you want me to say so you can make some vapid point and degrade the conversation to make it easier for you to dismiss the points being discussed.

EDIT: If this isnt your intention, try not to inject "you" and then "you'd rather" which implies the person you are quoting holds that position..
 
B-Dubs said:
That's true. In my experience the best way to convince people you're right isn't to lecture them though, it's to talk to them as people. Even if they're horribly wrong.
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ESPECIALLY if they're horribly wrong. When they're 99% of the way there you can make some course corrections pretty easily, when you're dealing with a belief set based on some fundamentally flawed ideas and information a much more carefully crafted approach is called for.
 
I look for how genuine candidates are, that means more to me than what they actually say. Based on that i would say Sanders is the only decent candidate (even though I very much disagree with his positions), and Clinton and o'Malley are Trump level of dishonest. This debate had more substance than any Republican debate so far, but I think that has to do with the quantity of candidates on the Republican side.
 
B-Dubs said:
There's ways to be forcefull without coming off as lecturing. Remember campaign Obama? Passionate and forceful as fuck, but never felt like he was giving a lecture. People don't like to be talked down to, even when they're wrong. You have to talk to them as people.
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Foffy said:
True, but he was also a powerful orator. That skill plays a role, and most don't have it. Most people in politics don't have it. Hillary doesn't have it. Bernie obviously doesn't, either.
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Both great points. Listening to Bernie or Hillary is like being in class with a intelligent professor lecturing you. Listening to Obama is like being in church with a Pastor that can move the entire congregation while signing with the choir. That shit just moves you
 
I just remembered something that had me rolling my eyes as I waited in line to get inside: this plaque thing that had the Twitter symbol in front of #DemDebate with the ABC News logo on top of last few letters. So tacky.
 
hoola said:
I look for how genuine candidates are, that means more to me than what they actually say. Based on that i would say Sanders is the only decent candidate (even though I very much disagree with his positions), and Clinton and o'Malley are Trump level of dishonest. This debate had more substance than any Republican debate so far, but I think that has to do with the quantity of candidates on the Republican side.
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Lol Trump level?

Asinine.

Also it had more substance because the candidates have more substance.
 
Foffy said:
Do you not see the bullshit in leaps, bro? Like, they're not even the same.

That's like me saying one moment I love you, and the next that I wish for you to be attacked in war. That's the level of jumping you're making.
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There are plenty of people willing to cut off their nose to spite their face. Then again this particular poster could truly believe that Trump is the 2nd best option, for whatever reason.
 
hoola said:
I look for how genuine candidates are, that means more to me than what they actually say. Based on that i would say Sanders is the only decent candidate (even though I very much disagree with his positions), and Clinton and o'Malley are Trump level of dishonest. This debate had more substance than any Republican debate so far, but I think that has to do with the quantity of candidates on the Republican side.
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Why do all the odd opinion posts come out late at night?

So if someone is genuinely a piece of shit but they are 100% up front about it they have your vote?
 
Cyrillus said:
There are plenty of people willing to cut off their nose to spite their face. Then again this particular poster could truly believe that Trump is the 2nd best option, for whatever reason.
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I get that, but I want a specific reason here. I want to understand the specific logic and reason to assume this jumping has reason, and what the hell that is.

I cannot get going from a candidate of "we" to a candidate of "me, and fuck the others". That's the jump here.
 
if donald trump wins i'm moving to

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Nibiru said:
Dem debates in a nutshell.

"Vote for me and you will get free stuffs!"
"Nothing will cost anything!"
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Both Hillary and Bernie have pretty deep write-ups on how we'd finance the (inevitable) things they want to try to get started in this country so we can be on par with other nations.

But if you want a level of discourse usually reserved for Trump Facebook Commenter, then you be you, my friend.
 
I've always thought that O'Malley is just a tool who tries to say the right things at the right times. His interruption and refusal to abide by the moderators' rules is so disgraceful. I'm glad no one really takes him seriously.
 
I didn't see the last ~30 minutes (Saturday night? Fuck you, DNC), but I think that was probably Hillary's best debate yet. All the candidates did a respectable job, but I think she held strong as the frontrunner. I'm glad they keep pointing fingers at the Republican debates because the substantive contrast is stark.
 
People can complain about the lack of debates but at this point there doesn't even seem to be a need to have any more. The candidates just keep saying the same things over and over. We know where they stand on issues or what their ideals are, but the moderators at this point have to ask different questions or demand more specifics and details.

General "What do you think about Donald Trump's comments about Muslims", are pointless because we all know what they are going to say. I feel like I didn't even really need to listen to their responses because I felt like I knew what was coming. In regards to details and specifics, I feel like Hillary, only on foreign policy did we get any.

Sanders said to fund some of these plans he'd put a speculation tax on wall street, but how much can that even possibly raise? Close loopholes but what ones and for how much? Just press them for details and don't let them say " Go to Hillary/berrnie/O'malley.com" or whatever. I feel like we are going to keep getting the same debate over and over again if we don't get more pressing questions asked.
 
VendettaRed07 said:
People can complain about the lack of debates but at this point there doesn't even seem to be a need to have any more. The candidates just keep saying the same things over and over. We know where they stand on issues or what their ideals are, but the moderators at this point have to ask different questions or demand more specifics and details.

General "What do you think about Donald Trump's comments about Muslims", are pointless because we all know what they are going to say. I feel like I didn't even really need to listen to their responses because I felt like I knew what was coming. In regards to details and specifics, I feel like Hillary, only on foreign policy did we get any.

Sanders said to fund some of these plans he'd put a speculation tax on wall street, but how much can that even possibly raise? Close loopholes but what ones and for how much? Just press them for details and don't let them say " Go to Hillary/berrnie/O'malley.com" or whatever. I feel like we are going to keep getting the same debate over and over again if we don't get more pressing questions asked.
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First the questions raised is a problem for the moderators.
Secondly DemDebates provide a counterpoint to the circus that GOP has bestowed upon the American Populace.
Third of all there are 6 debates compared to over 20 last in 2008, to top it all off the DNC has done their best to schedule the debates at the most inappropriate times for Democrats to be able to show what an actual debate looks like.
 
VendettaRed07 said:
People can complain about the lack of debates but at this point there doesn't even seem to be a need to have any more. The candidates just keep saying the same things over and over. We know where they stand on issues or what their ideals are, but the moderators at this point have to ask different questions or demand more specifics and details.

General "What do you think about Donald Trump's comments about Muslims", are pointless because we all know what they are going to say. I feel like I didn't even really need to listen to their responses because I felt like I knew what was coming. In regards to details and specifics, I feel like Hillary, only on foreign policy did we get any.

Sanders said to fund some of these plans he'd put a speculation tax on wall street, but how much can that even possibly raise? Close loopholes but what ones and for how much? Just press them for details and don't let them say " Go to Hillary/berrnie/O'malley.com" or whatever. I feel like we are going to keep getting the same debate over and over again if we don't get more pressing questions asked.
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Indeed. It seems we'll press on ISIS, which is honestly a micro problem compared to many of the issues facing Americans today.

ISIS is more important than a generation of people shackled by college, promising their prosperity is sabotaged by their own homeland? 25,000 religious extremists are that much more important than the millions going bankrupt from health care costs, if they can't even get a plan? The fact we're worried about people blowing up buildings as our bridges break for us to create debris bridges?

Maybe I am beyond the whole religion game too much to give a shit about angry sandwalkers from Star Wars with a canon out of the Galactic Empire, but our domestic problems supercede this pressing issue simply because their volume of problems actually is greater than terrorism. This is not to downplay the fear of violence, but to emphasize that everything else here is worse in scale than that presently is.

What I would have twerked to if it would have allowed Ashton Kutcher's question to be asked during the CNN debate...
 
Watching the debate right now because I'm not in the US at the moment but the amount of attention that the data breach got at the start and in the last 24 hours (in general) is really annoying. It's something to talk about but considering what's happened recently, it's not something I want to hear about on this stage. It's just noise. So I agree with O'Malley's comment about it.

On that note, it's actually nice to see O'Malley come out and get aggressive. These dem debates have been "nice" and sort of boring due in large part because they didn't differentiate themselves enough. Calling out Hillary and Bernie, whether or not it's accurate (I don't have time to check myself, lol) at least makes it more lively.

Also, these debate moderators are ass.
 
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