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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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Jest Chillin
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The key isn't to follow the canon in every instance because the canon contradicts itself quite a bit from the OT to the PT to The Clone Wars. The key is to follow the most imporant bits.
Anyway my thoughts on the movie.
In general I loved it.
The foreshadowing of Rey and Luke was pretty blatant with the helmet and the rebel pilot.
I thought the CGI on Maz was fine but Snokes was off. He looked better in the leaked concept pics than in motion. And reminded me of the white Orc in the Hobbit in a bad way. Perhaps it's because they didn't finalise his design until late in in the process.
Adam Driver was great 10/10. BB8 <3. Ridley was great as was Boyega.
Chewie just walking straight past Leia at the end was odd. You'd have thought he'd have gone straight to her.
They obviously ditched all the stuff with the sledgehammer and larger fleet ships battling. I wonder why.
The final dog fight didn't have much weight to it I felt. Perhaps because we werent invested in the pilots. Or perhaps because their mission was slightly less clear and there was much bigger stuff going on with the main characters. They needed to flesh out Poe more who was superb in the first act but was then relegated to a bit part player.
Glad they used the OG Akbar voice :-D
Also there were people cheering when the opening scroll appeared. That has never happening in a cinema with me before in the UK.
In general I loved it.
The foreshadowing of Rey and Luke was pretty blatant with the helmet and the rebel pilot.
I thought the CGI on Maz was fine but Snokes was off. He looked better in the leaked concept pics than in motion. And reminded me of the white Orc in the Hobbit in a bad way. Perhaps it's because they didn't finalise his design until late in in the process.
Adam Driver was great 10/10. BB8 <3. Ridley was great as was Boyega.
Chewie just walking straight past Leia at the end was odd. You'd have thought he'd have gone straight to her.
They obviously ditched all the stuff with the sledgehammer and larger fleet ships battling. I wonder why.
The final dog fight didn't have much weight to it I felt. Perhaps because we werent invested in the pilots. Or perhaps because their mission was slightly less clear and there was much bigger stuff going on with the main characters. They needed to flesh out Poe more who was superb in the first act but was then relegated to a bit part player.
Glad they used the OG Akbar voice :-D
Also there were people cheering when the opening scroll appeared. That has never happening in a cinema with me before in the UK.
I'm guessing memory wipe ala Revan or she's repressed memories.
It seems like she soaked up everything she could about the Jedi and the Rebels. Makes sense that she would know of some of the tricks. Plus the force has been described as being mostly about concentration and instinct.
I'd just consider them like... half-canon, or something. A lot of shit in the prequels contradicts shit in the OT, and it seems like the movies going forward will be taking mostly from OT canon.
He wouldn't need to kill everyone who was religious, just the religious leaders (there wasn't that many Jedi), and that would cause their influence to drop considerably.
Besides, who in OT outright dismisses Jedism as nonsense? It's just Han and some blokes on the Death Star, right? Then there's obviously Luke who only knows about them as a myth, but he's a moisture farmer on a desert planet miles from anywhere. Who is to say that others in the galaxy don't still believe in the Jedi?
Again, I know it's a stretch, but for me there's plenty of worse stuff to complain about.
Atraveller
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It was in Rey's flashback.
Yeah, I noticed this on my 2nd watch, he just walked past and stood there while Leia and Rey embraced. Weird.
Just finished watching, pretty good, if I wasn't spoiled about Han maybe I would've liked it even more
Luke appeared and didn't even say a word? Looooool
Disappointed rey didn't cut ren's hand, come on now, that's a star wars trope, I'm still expecting him to get his hands cut, probably rey as well
Luke appeared and didn't even say a word? Looooool
Disappointed rey didn't cut ren's hand, come on now, that's a star wars trope, I'm still expecting him to get his hands cut, probably rey as well
Huh. it must have been a blnk or youll miss it kinda thing.
I really liked Kylo Ren but many people I've talked to seem to hate him. I don't know, he feels like an original character and a complete subversion of expectations. Perfect casting, he sells an unhinged teen who thinks he's hot shit when he isn't. It's like many people expected him to be badass and don't take no for an answer.
It was that exact shot from the trailer, so a few seconds.
I was 7 when I first saw EP IV and about 8/9 when Ep1 came out. Through my childhood, Star Wars was always a current thing so the wait from Ep3 to EP 7 was an entirely new trial for me. In those 10 or so years I played countless Star Wars games, read thousands of Wookiepedia artivles, etc. I feel like I progressed from simple "fan" to "fanboy" level, if that makes any sense.
So when I saw Ep7 last night, I literally cried with joy when the opening titles rolled.
I proceeded to cry a further 3 times:
-when the X-Wings appeared
-when Han gets killed
-when we meet Luke as a Jedi master.
What a fucking incredible experience. I didn't think the plot was actually particularly good, but the amount of fan service and general Star Wars-ness of the movie blew my mind.
So when I saw Ep7 last night, I literally cried with joy when the opening titles rolled.
I proceeded to cry a further 3 times:
-when the X-Wings appeared
-when Han gets killed
-when we meet Luke as a Jedi master.
What a fucking incredible experience. I didn't think the plot was actually particularly good, but the amount of fan service and general Star Wars-ness of the movie blew my mind.
Remeber the battle at the end of AotC and all the kids that were being trained at the temple? The reason Grievous had four lightsabers? There were a lot of Jedi.
it was all instinct on her part.
she only needed to concentrate and the force did as she asked. lol.
the girl has no formal training, but when you're that gifted in the force and you're all "i need the fuckin lightabserrrrrrr!!", the force is all "yes ma'am".
Atraveller
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Yeah it was short, I do wish the movie could spend more time showing us what the Knights of Ren are, or the First Order.
Another quibble: Why the fuck would Han and Leia of all people name their son Ben?
Han barely knew the guy.
And Leia obviously know him well enough to send that distress call, but their closeness was never really elaborated upon. In fact, when he died, Luke is the only one who reacted while Leia wanted to GTFO along with Han, and I don't recall a scene of her mourning the loss of her friend.
Yet their the ones who named their kid after old Ben?
Han barely knew the guy.
And Leia obviously know him well enough to send that distress call, but their closeness was never really elaborated upon. In fact, when he died, Luke is the only one who reacted while Leia wanted to GTFO along with Han, and I don't recall a scene of her mourning the loss of her friend.
Yet their the ones who named their kid after old Ben?
neoism
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Jest Chillin
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Anyone who has dealth with the Empire knows The Force is real and Vader has been hunting Jedi down for awhile. It's only a legend/myth to Luke because he lives in bumfuck nowhere on the Outer Rim. Even with that being the case his Uncle and Aunt know that hsit is real as hell.
Everything Rey did Kylo did first except for the JMT Brain Wash. Which was more for callback purposes than anything else.
So the population at large in this universe doesn't care at all about the piss contest between the Jedi and the Sith....
If the Empire was as bad as made to be believed... how is that after the fall of the government, the Republic that followed didn't give two shits about the remnants of the Empire and leaves the "Resistance" (silly name given that they won) to fight them.
And how is that they, after they won the war, this Resistance is even less equipped than the Revels from episode 4? One bunker and 20 x-wings...
And First Order..... My god, I still cant believe how stupid they are, "lets make another death star, specially after the last 2 were so successful, but this time bigger and stationary!"
If the Empire was as bad as made to be believed... how is that after the fall of the government, the Republic that followed didn't give two shits about the remnants of the Empire and leaves the "Resistance" (silly name given that they won) to fight them.
And how is that they, after they won the war, this Resistance is even less equipped than the Revels from episode 4? One bunker and 20 x-wings...
And First Order..... My god, I still cant believe how stupid they are, "lets make another death star, specially after the last 2 were so successful, but this time bigger and stationary!"
Yeah, it sucks. Happened to me Friday and I didn't get to see the movie until last night. Some asshat put it as a random message in a game. It actually sucked a lot of the gravity out of the death scene for me.
RobbieNick
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On the Obi-Wan grandfather Theory.....
If true, her grandmother was likely the queen of the Mandalores. (See Clone Wars)
This means her mother would be the current Queen making Rey a certified Disney princess!
A Mandalorian Jedi princess.
If true, her grandmother was likely the queen of the Mandalores. (See Clone Wars)
This means her mother would be the current Queen making Rey a certified Disney princess!
A Mandalorian Jedi princess.
well in the EU, it's actually Luke skywalkers' only son that gets named "ben" --so in a way you're right to think that.
leia & han do name their youngest boy 'anakin' though.
it's all non-canon now, but because it's ben around for over a decade it feels just as real.
kylo ren is a lot like jacen solo though. except jacen was a much more stronger force user and a master of many jedi fighting styles. -while kylo Ren is a powerful force user but an amateur duelist. his sabre technique really needs refinement.
I think that may be just what they have on hand and if needed they would be supplied by the Republic with more.
If, well, the entire system wasn't destroyed.
Joel Was Right
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This just sums up the reaction to the film for me. Maybe I had to switch off my brain and just enjoy it, but it seems that its almost universally loved to the point everything gets a pass.
Ultimately Ben saved their lives and ended up dying for their escape. He knew that they would mount a fruitless effort to take him with them and Ben knew it wouldn't work so he sacrificed himself to be a better guide to Luke while allowing Luke and the others to escape. His disabling of the tractor beam, distraction of the guards, and his sacrifice were all big moves to save Han and Leia. His attempted delivery of the droid to Aalderan set the whole thing in motion and allowed the rebellion to destroy the first Death Star.
Ben played a huge part of that whole sequence. Han would have never met Leia if it wasn't for Ben's adventure with Luke to deliver the droid.
At least that's how I see it.
Jest Chillin
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Help Me Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only Hope.
Leia clearly fucking knew that Obi Wan was a Jedi because her (adopted) Father told her as much. After hearing about how her rescue came about and living the rest of it herself.. she'd feel gratitude towards Old Ben. It's not that difficult to undeerstand at all. Especially consider that she' probably be dead if not of Obi Wan.
Book of some sort. Supposedly it's canon though (and there are legitimately a lot fo canon books).
Most of this post is covered in the novel "Aftermath." The Republic signed a Peace Treaty. Leia was branded as a warmonger because she was against it. When The First Order popped up, Leia and others against the treaty formed the Resistance outside of the Republic gov't, though they did have tied.
I'll agree with this, it was unexpected and had great comedic timing. I also got to say while I like BB-8 I felt "him" lacking any originality, I just wish we could get something like HK-47 in these movies instead of trying to rehash the same old characters. Like, I don't want R2 or C3PO to be a thing in this new trilogy I want new droid characters.
Atraveller
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I remember the line "raise the shield" being said after the First Order officers saw the X-wings have entered Starkiller base's atmosphere, so they probably couldn't send reinforcement either.
Thank you for reading part my post, but I wish you took the extra five seconds to read the rest of it, because I kinda addressed that.
I understand that Old Ben was a friend of hers and that he died to save her. I imagine that she had lots of people do that for her. I never suggested she felt ungrateful, but she certainly didn't seem like she appreciated him in particular over all others, given how she's all "Yeah, shit, we need to get out of here, thrusters to full!" when he dies. His death is witnessed by all, but only Luke reacts to it, not Luke and Leia.
Yeah, there's no denying the parallels.
I like to think that they just decided they'd actually make good on that unforgettable phrase Lucas used to describe his work.
"It's like poetry, they rhyme."
For once, they do.
But cmon! Leia, Akbar and other are there! Generals of the last war. If they won the last war, how is they they are so Ill-equipped now? I would imagine something on pair with the Empire from episode 4 and 5...
But I know the answer is more simple, is easier to root for the underdogs than the man.
The more than I think about it, the less I like this movie.... still, miles better than the prequels but not near enough episode 4 and 5.
Bobby Roberts
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Shit, hasn't even occurred to me to check Rotten Tomatoes before now.
95% All Critics, 8.3/10 average, 260 reviews, 14 rotten,
91% Top Critics, 8.3/10 average, 42 fresh, 4 rotten
95% All Critics, 8.3/10 average, 260 reviews, 14 rotten,
91% Top Critics, 8.3/10 average, 42 fresh, 4 rotten
RobbieNick
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Not sure if posted already, but this game me a good chuckle (I liked the film a lot anyway, but this is pretty much the reason I didn't love it)
Spoilers for Episode 4/7
It forgets to mention that R2/BB-8 was sent away by Liea/Poe who is kidnapped and tortured for information only to be rescued by Luke/Finn in a Stormtrooper costume.
Wait what?! why this was not addressed on the movie? is fucking important!
So it is requires to be knowledgeable of the extended universe? Fuck that.
But thanks for clarifying that.
cebri.one
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Instinct? I thought the learning of these tricks took time and hard learning. I mean, even Luke at the beginning of episode V is struggling just with being able attract his lightsaber. Anakin had too the instinct, but again needed training to learn the ways of the force.
I could buy that somehow she was involved in the group of Padawans Luke formed after the fall of the empire and she received some kind of training before being left behind.
Haha!Not sure if posted already, but this game me a good chuckle (I liked the film a lot anyway, but this is pretty much the reason I didn't love it)
Spoilers for Episode 4/7
The whole thing was such an obvious and lazily written reboot.
If they'd just had the balls to say that it was "Episode I" of a new Star Wars series, I'd have had a lot more time for the film. As it is, it's a terrible sequel to ROTJ.
cebri.one
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Yeah, me and my friends felt it was episode IV revamped. Lacking originality to say the least.
Vampirolol
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That's always been a thing for Star Wars, it's just that most of us saw the OT movies when the lore was already well known.
CassidyIzABeast
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.....shout out to Disney for managing to reboot Star Wars without sending the world into a frenzy.
Did you really need that image to make that point? The film has no shame in what it is and I too agree with you in that it's part of the reason why I didn't love the film. As I said, when I saw it there were a number of groans in the audience when the pulled up the Death Star 3.0 plans and started looking for a weak point. Like, are we really steering that close to ANH.
friskykillface
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Chewie the god
Wookie rampage is no joke , give chewie a lightsaber and Snoke would be shook
Wookie rampage is no joke , give chewie a lightsaber and Snoke would be shook
no the answer is even more simpler than that. 'the resistance' is not the same as 'the rebel alliance'.
wedge anitlles, rogue squadron, battle of yavin/endor. THIS was the rebel alliance; a coalition of multiple star systems against the empire.
they don't exist in E7 because they helped form the new republic and essentially disbanded and signed a bloody peace treaty with the remmnants of the empire.
'the resistance' is the small number of hold outs who refused to sign a treaty with their former oppressors… and this time they don't have the open co-ordinated backing of multiple star systems.
they're not simply the 'underdog', they're absolutely TINY.
Remember, prior to this movie, the first order had no quarrel with the 'new repulic'. they only became a target again, because they found out the republic was secretly supporting the resistance.
I presume the people who take issue with Rey beating Kylo by using the Force also take issue with a similarly untrained Luke using the Foce to guide a proton torpedo into a minuscule hole in a moon sized space station?
All Rey did was let go her go of her conscious self, and let the Force flow through her, same as Luke did.
All Rey did was let go her go of her conscious self, and let the Force flow through her, same as Luke did.
It's plot formula is clearly very similar, although I don't think it was lazy. The film was engineered to be essential Star Wars because that's what they needed to do to please the disenfranchised fans. I feel as though that little blurb is simplifying things enough and there are big enough breaks in the actual character building to justify the similarities.
As for being a terrible sequel to Jedi.... a mediocre film, which The Force Awakens is not, is a better sequel than that piece of shit deserves. Most overrated genre film of all time.
Nah.
Rey beat an injured, half-trained Kylo right after he went through an emotional ringer. So much of what Luke did was much more implausible. All the way through Jedi actually.
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