7DollarHagane
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I got that they were trying to say that Kylo joined the dark side fairly recently. He's supposed to be quite young.
He's still conflicted about the light and his family at least.
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I got that they were trying to say that Kylo joined the dark side fairly recently. He's supposed to be quite young.
He's still conflicted about the light and his family at least.
Jacksinthe
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Ben Organa doesn't exist.
Officerrob
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Just got back, enjoyed the hell out of it. With that said, I'm shocked at how insignificant Captain Phasma was in this film
ElBoxyBrown
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I need a Poe side-story focusing on his pilot career.
JetBlackPanda
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Haha I'm checking this out tomorrow
Well that's JJ's thing. He doesn't seem to care about establishing any sense of distance/scale in his stuff. It kind of plagued his Star Trek movies too.
Ren is the master of the Knights of Ren.
It really seems overblown how so many of you try to pass him off as just a hotheaded poser.
To some extent, that is true, but don't forget: this dude is 29-30 years old. He is not some angst ridden teenager even if he sometimes acts like it. He is an adult that presumably has been using the Force and training at lightsabers for most of his life. He is experienced, he is powerful and he is a force to be reckoned with. Or at least he should have been.
His training under Snoke might not have been complete, but that doesn't change how the final showdown was pretty dumb to me.
kaiju
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I've got both. Dictionary is great and fleshes out the characters, but the Art book, man.
It's a must. It's huge! Not only is it chock-full of beautiful art, it clearly establishes where Lucasfilm/Disney planned to go with Episode VII and beyond. Some of the stuff in there I'm surprised they even let slip out.
Like the art of Rey flying an X-Wing while lifting up her lightsaber under a Star Destroyer and fucking shit up. Sure, OP as fuck. But sooo awesome.
7DollarHagane
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well it was some scene where it was a full body shot of C-3PO. There aren't very many of those because i was looking for it again after that. It was outdoors and with Leia there. Just watch for his feet.
Exactly. It's clear she knows about the myths and that the "old Jedi mind trick" is one of them.
The One and Done
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Pretty sure it's an old trick to not capture the cameras in the reflection. Commonly used on on car hoods. In the past it didn't matter because of the quality of the capture.
JetBlackPanda
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It was kind of lame how 3p0 straight up says something like I bet you are wondering about my red arm?
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The OT never said a word about his silver leg. We made up stories about it. You don't have to slam us over the head with it
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The OT never said a word about his silver leg. We made up stories about it. You don't have to slam us over the head with it
That's my point and the movie just makes him look like weak. Someone in the movie called him master of the Knights of ren. I had to do a double take because I wouldn't want him leading me lol. Guy seems like he'd second guess stepping on an ant.
7DollarHagane
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is it confirmed that coruscant was destroyed in this movie?
I will say that there is no 'cool' character in this movie. There are old cool characters like Han, but Han was past being cool at this point. Phasma was a one-off nobody, Kylo was an angsty 'coming of age' Sith, Supreme Leader fell out of the prequel trilogy, Finn was your audience member/fish out of water guy(though I thought he had his moments of 'coolness'). Po was probably the closest. But I never saw anything that was like 'man, kid me would totally want to play pretend as that character'
I actually thought Hux was the most effective villain in TFA.
I actually thought Hux was the most effective villain in TFA.
i think you should spend the next 20 years giving your son a strictly regimented diet of systematic murder and brutally drilled authoritarianism and see how many joss whedon-esque zingers he comes out with.
lastplayed
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Yeah I noticed that. I mean he's had various different external plates over time, maybe he had a complete replacement that was a bit less polished.
Kylo was what Anakin SHOULD have been. A proto-Vader who obviously is very troubled, very insecure, and whose desire for power and fear of emotional weakness drives him to purge the good from him.
Loved his tantrums and him pounding on his wound. He's a psychopath. He's not cool or collected; he's a loose cannon... and that makes him extremely interesting to me.
Loved his tantrums and him pounding on his wound. He's a psychopath. He's not cool or collected; he's a loose cannon... and that makes him extremely interesting to me.
bananafactory
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Rey/Kylo training montage a la Balboa/Drago incoming
They both gotta power up for the sequel
Blame the marketing team and your own expectations. There was really no need to expand on her right now
CreeperBlocks
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Kylo Ren is basically Prince Zuko From Avatar the more I think about it.
Bobby Roberts
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You don't even know if the Knights of Ren are still around though. They only showed up in a single vision from about 10 years ago.
What if Luke whipped all their asses and left Kylo alive because he couldn't kill his failure of a nephew?
That's just an option, of course, but a bullshit title spoken from a Wizard of Oz analog isn't the clear establishment of respectable power you keep claiming it is.
eyeball_kid
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Han & Leia are one of those couples that always fight but are hugely in love with each other, at least that's the way I viewed them. Han got over his running away routine in the OT. And wasn't Han a General by the time of ROTJ? So he just abandoned Leia and his new life and decided to go back to being a smuggler again? I don't buy it, or at least I don't want to.
lastplayed
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I just don't get why someone who is emotional makes them weak. You really want to go up to him while he's spiting curses, thumping his wound, and pointing a flaming lightsaber at you and go "you, stop being so whiny you ain't even a master lulz".
CreepingFear
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bananafactory
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MisterHero
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Hosnian Prime and four nearby moons
EmCeeGramr
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My brother immediately came up with this wacky theory that Finn is going to turn out to have been a personal spy and double agent from Snoke all along to infiltrate the Resistance and find Luke, and that's why Kylo Ren immediately sensed him and became suspicious, not because of the refusal to fire thing.
If nothing else, this movie really invites you to wonder what's going to happen next.
If nothing else, this movie really invites you to wonder what's going to happen next.
Giacchino has been destroying John Williams during the last ten years.
BudokaiMR2
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Sorry, you are still being an idiot.
These aren't clones who are genetically modified to be more docile or obedient. They are people who were stole from their families and trained against their will.
The point is that there are certain things that are inherent to human nature which can't just be drilled out of them.
To take this farther, do you believe that training in the U.S. military is NOT a "regimented diet of systematic murder and brutally drilled authoritarianism"?
Have you ever heard how a Marine talks?
7DollarHagane
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that would be really stupid.
It's kind of obvious but I expect leia to be killed off in episode 8 and finn to take on her place as the resistance leader.
I was just expressing how I was let down in his character. All the trailers and promos were setting him up to be some badass knight with a broad sword...I don't even know what we got in the end lol.
Blargonaut
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TUNNEL SNAKES RULE
I do think my favorite part of the movie was them showing restraint and not anime fighting at the end. I was expecing them to go into the anime fighting bullshit of the prequels because most of the general population still liked that stuff, but they didn't do that.
Yet.
Yet.
lastplayed
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Well that's just it, I never got that impression. Clearly he was the villain, and he had a red lightsaber. Anything else was speculation.
+100I've got both. Dictionary is great and fleshes out the characters, but the Art book, man.
It's a must. It's huge! Not only is it chock-full of beautiful art, it clearly establishes where Lucasfilm/Disney planned to go with Episode VII and beyond. Some of the stuff in there I'm surprised they even let slip out.
Like the art of Rey flying an X-Wing while lifting up her lightsaber under a Star Destroyer and fucking shit up. Sure, OP as fuck. But sooo awesome.
The artbook is the shit. I get a kick out of seeing what they had for the original character designs they had for the main trio.
That would be awesome for Finn.
Also so many typos for "Rey" and "Ren" everywhere in these Star Wars threads lol.
7DollarHagane
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They certainly still had downtime with other comrades. It's even hinted that the trooper that dies and leaves the bloodstain on his helmet at the beginning might have been a friend.
They weren't mind controlled, they were attempted to be brainwashed. But even people in societies like north korea joke around in private, i'm sure.
BlastProcessing
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As a thought experiment, let's take an Olympic class fencer and shoot him in the liver. I bet a couple of motivated, generally athletic and combat trained people could do pretty well against him.
In A New Hope, Vader, who we learn is a galaxy class pilot, gets chumped by a space trucker in a hunk-of-junk freighter. Sometimes Star Wars villains just need to take the "L".
Kssio_Aug
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He is a strong character, he only lost the fight against Rey cause he was hurt and because he had to deal with Finn aswell giving time for Rey to get back to action.
He isn't a Sith yet though. Reason why even General Hux conflicted against his decisions, something that never happened to Darth Vader. I expect him to come back much stronger in EP.8 though.
eyeball_kid
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Well...that would help explain why Finn escaped from the Star Destroyer so easily and why Captain Phasma was so compliant in lowering the shields...
IIRC, they didn't have anything like that during training. Just squad training missions like taking town turrets and stuff. They even posed the First Order as altruistic- bringing peace to a chaotic galaxy. That's partly why Finn defected after his first mission, he saw the mass murder and realized it wasn't the case.
Blargonaut
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damn
Combine that with my 'Captain Phasma = Snoke' theory and we got ourselves a MATCH
Bobby Roberts
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Knights of Ren =
I like it.
The way Snoke speaks of Ren being the master of the Knights of Ren would imply they are still around, and if that is something that is supposed to be impressive, then the only reasonable conclusion is that that is a clear establishment of respectable power.
MisterHero
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They mentioned 'conditioning' early on but that could've meant a dozen different things
EmCeeGramr
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It really doesn't make any sense though, unless pretending to run away while on... Nice Rest Stop Cantina Planet was a part of this plan. He was insistent in his belief that Finn was going to have some kind of shocking heel turn and Kylo would have a face turn in the second movie.
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