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[darkinstinct]

Anyone can use a lightsaber. It has a button on it.

Or four at once.

 

[ptuck874]

ok finished watching it today , thanks to my dad i knew han would die, but alas, i really really loved the new characters, the new star killer, when it fired and destroyed what like 6 planets? i was like dannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng, and klyo, dude he was badass, i think i will go at least another time to see it, and of ourse bb8 stole the movie from everyone

 

[De_Legend]

They used their screentime to create 1 really interesting villain instead of 4 somewhat interesting ones. Which I think was a good choice. Snoke is like the Emperor, almost invisible in ANH, but will get more prominent. Phasma just looks cool, but supposedly has a big role in Ep.8.

Yeah, I expect that Phasma will chase the fuck outta Finn, bounty hunter style.

 

[MMarston]

They shoulda just had Giacchino score it.

Giaccino would make a great replacement next time of course

 

[Christine]

Doesn't seem like stormtroopers in this order get much R&R, or even names. He had a lot of feelings going on at the time and was ready to live life.

They don't even get to take their helmets off without permission. I thought that was a great detail, really distilled the notion of a dehumanizing and oppressive existence ruled by orders and protocols.

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

From a galactic perspective losing a planet would be like losing a city. They really didn't have time to mourn, they had to go after the base.

That reminded me of, Independence Day, which gave those exact actions more merit. And it's not often I say Independence Day did something better than...anything

 

[brandonh83]

Adam Driver is a great actor but when he pulled the helmet off I thought it was fucking Screech from Saved by the Bell.

Well that's a weird problem to have.

 

[antonz]

Snoke felt really Voldemort to me. Not in a good way.

He is a completely uninspired character. They need an Emperor character without the ability to actually have a solid Emperor character. Which is why they would have been better off using what they had instead of trying to forge a new direction.

I mean Snoke has already played the bring her to me card regarding Rey. Han already gave the you know he is using you and will get rid of you when he's done card.

So the seed of conflict between Kylo and Snoke has been laid.

 

[afternoon delight]

Exactly, lol.

His character was ruined the moment he took off the helmet. He's a joke now. People were literally laughing when that happened.

People laughed at the moment as well, the drama was ridiculous.

That... hair.

Fantastic performance until he was unmasked and the voice filter was removed.

 

[JTripper]

Marvel should publish a Kylo Ren comic.

 

[TheXbox]

it was a short 300 worder for print, and you've probably picked up on most of the points through conversation here.

Basically, it's a very pretty mashup/mixtape of the entire Original Trilogy, with interesting new interpretations of classic Star Wars characterizations and moments, lacking the emotional punch it's reaching for, but setting a very nice table for Rian Johnson to eat from, so the future of the series can go in an interesting place.

It's essentially a slightly lesser Star Wars movie than Star Trek 09 was.

They shoulda just had Giacchino score it.

I'm about to blow up on you, homie

giacchino sux

 

[CorrisD]

So does that mean Finn is a force user? Only force users can use lightsabers right?

im not that well versed in star wars lore dnt kill me pls

Anyone can pick up and use a Lightsaber, that doesn't mean you will be any good at using it and of course the thing is about as deadly as weapons come, one wrong move and you accidentally chop off your arm. You obviously wouldn't want to use one against a force user either seeing as most have competent training in using them, the force also gives them better reactions, it's unlikely that we will be seeing Finn blocking blaster shots left and right for instance but Kylo did it like it was a walk in the park.

 

[jtb]

I remember there being a part of the soundtrack during the movie that was piano driven... any idea which track this is?

 

[brandonh83]

giacchino sux

What a weird th-- well now I'm just repeating myself.

 

[NomarTyme]

People laughed at the moment as well, the drama was ridiculous.

That... hair.

Fantastic performance until he was unmasked and the voice filter was removed.

To cover those big ears....

 

[minimumhippo]

Marvel should pubish a Kylo Ren comic.

I would read the shit out of a Kylo Ren comic

 

[Brakke]

From a galactic perspective losing a planet would be like losing a city. They really didn't have time to mourn, they had to go after the base. My guess is they are saving the aftermath of that for the next movie. I mean the first death star had many thousands of people on it and no one gave a damn.

Nah. They had time to mourn if the script gave them time to mourn. Blasting seventeen trillion people and just cruising on is a bad choice the creators made.

 

[jtb]

I'm not the biggest Giacchino fan but he's the heir apparent and probably should've done this movie.

 

[brandonh83]

Nah. They had time to mourn if the script gave them time to mourn. Blasting seventeen trillion people and just cruising on is a bad choice the creators made.

Would've been totally unnecessary.

 

[kurahador]

Exactly, lol.

His character was ruined the moment he took off the helmet. He's a joke now. People were literally laughing when that happened.

Him revealing his face would've work better if he only did it with Han Solo, both in context and viewers reaction.

 

[golem]

What a weird th-- well now I'm just repeating myself.

This thread really is a flat circle

 

[jstripes]

Agree with others saying Snoke was the worst part of the movie. The giant projection was dumb and I didn't like his look. Felt too over the top, would have preferred for him to just be a voice of something. Reveal his form when Ren goes to complete Sith training in VIII.

Snoke was pure CG garbage.

He didn't fit in the movie at all.

They could have done him so much better with practical effects. Wanting to appear as a huge hologram to impress and intimidate... Wizard of Oz vibes.

 

[Fj0823]

lots of ticky tacky shit in that list. You can easily imagine explanations to most of it.

This is a much better answer than my entire write up. LOL

 

[Seductivpancakes]

It was baffling. This movie had generally fantastic "alien" design and yet Snoke was completely boring.

That's what happens when you join the dark side.

 

[VistraNorrez]

I really liked Adam Driver in this film and preferred when Kylo didn't have his helmet on. I didn't really like the effect they put on his voice in this film. I know his characterization was as a Vader fanboy but it felt more successful in the other elements. His voice came off as cheap Vader rip-off from some terrible low budget sci-fi film.

And I've rewatched the OT since watching TFA and I actually think there are times where he does look Solo in ANH. He doesn't look anything like Leia though.

 

[NimbusD]

Okay so regarding Rey...

Based on the speculation and expectations in this thread including my very own, here's how I think her story could play out in VIII. This also includes some stuff I already mentioned earlier.

- As implied by the ending, we'll get to see her being trained by Luke to become a Jedi. Basically it'll be next gen Luke and Yoda. However here's the catch: whereas Yoda trained Luke to take out his recklessness, Rey goes through the opposite. Given her exceptional prowess in 7, she instead gets cockier and more overconfident as she further hones her skill. Basically, all those Mary Sue accusations? She eats it all up. Naturally, Luke warns her against this but she insists that it won't get the better of her.

- Eventually, Rey would also go through her own equivalent of Luke's cave moment. Only, instead of a ghost battle like Luke, we instead get a way more expanded flashback of what she sees at Maz's. Here, we find out that Rey's parents are killed by a young Kylo Ren+Knights but not before they leave Rey on Jakku to protect her due to the Order's witch hunt. After finding this out, Rey becomes burning with anger. She's wants blood - not is Ren responsible for her family's death, it would also make him responsible for her 15 years of isolation. Naturally, Luke condemns this kind of action and warns her about how he fucked up due to impulse decisions in his training. Rey immediately understands and relents...for now.

- Sometime later on in the film, Rey and Luke suspend training and join up with everyone else for whatever perilous climactic 3rd Act mission the film can demand. Whatever that mission is, Kylo Ren is involved. Anyways blah blah good guys succeed in solving said mission. BUT let's say Rey sees Ren fleeing the scene at the end of the mission. At first Rey could show some self-control, trying to walk away....but in the spur of the moment, goes 'FUCK IT', hops on a speeder, and goes after Ren.

- Both Kylo and Rey meetup in some very isolated location and here we get RenVsRey Part II. Unlike then, Rey gets a lot more trouble this time with Ren having further trained now. Despite this, Rey comes out on top and has Ren on the defensive. Eventually she gets in a position where she can finish him until...

- Surprise! The rest of the Knights of Ren also show up for the fun. With her incomplete training, exhaustion from a more hardened Kylo, and the clear numerical handicap, Rey proceeds to get beaten the living shit out of her to the point of near death.
But to her luck, the rest of the gang arrives to help her and it turns into an all out team battle. However, in the process two main characters lose their lives. One could be Finn or BB8 - the fact is they are close to her - and the other is Luke, who could totally pull his Kenobi sacrifice moment right here. That plus the faceless Resistance casualties included in the fighting. The good guys eventually escape by the skin of their teeth.

- After Rey recovers later on, she realize how much she just fucked up due to her overconfidence and anger. Not only does she get wrecked, it cost her the people she cares for. It's basically Yodas warning to Luke fulfilled 3 movies late. Thus at the end of the film, we see her set on her own to complete her training/Jedi pilgrimage (with maybe off-screen ghost Luke, a la QuiGon) for some soul searching. Cut to black. End.

Well, that was my fanfic moment. What do you think?

Ugh part of what excited me so much about ep 7, even though it apes ep 4 so hard, is that it sets up for a new adventure that's heading in a different direction than the previous trilogy. THis is just the same exact thing. What's the point? I'll be done with this trilogy for sure if that happens.

 

[bananafactory]

My gut tells me people will look differently on Snoke once we see him in the flesh and get to know more about him.

But that doesn't excuse him being underwhelming in this.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

Kylo Ren is good as he is. Yeah, he is not the "pretty and muscular" character as all Marvel super heroes, and thank god to that, those stereotypes are silly. And Luke wasn't much different from him neither to be honest!

 

[Dice]

How old is Kylo supposed to be? He only looks about 20. Did Han & Leia really wait 10 years to have a kid?

 

[golem]

Ugh part of what excited me so much about ep 7, even though it apes ep 4 so hard, is that it sets up for a new adventure that's heading in a different direction than the previous trilogy. THis is just the same exact thing. What's the point? I'll be done with this trilogy for sure if that happens.

I think most people would agree that EP8 would be a complete failure if they aped the old movies again.

 

[bananafactory]

How old is Kylo supposed to be? He only looks about 20. Did Han & Leia really wait 10 years to have a kid?

Adam Driver is 32. So I'd say Kylo could be anywhere from 20-35 (definitely can't pass for 40)

 

[Ether_Snake]

Regarding your Rey turning darkside theory, how bleak would it be to end this trilogy with a Rey vs Finn lightsaber duel?

Maybe, if Rey does kill Snoke, it could be cool. The thing is if Rey kills Snoke, what would she do next? Why fight Finn? Unless someone else kills Snoke and she saw Snoke as a way to get her parents back to life or something, in which case I could see her staying evil until fighting Finn. But otherwise, if she kills Snoke herself, I don't see her continuing to live on the dark side. She needs a motivation to stay evil and fight Finn, can't just be enraged even after Kylo and Snoke are dead.

 

[TheXbox]

What a weird th-- well now I'm just repeating myself.

He obviously doesn't but I'm a John Williams fanboy.

And frankly speaking I think people are being harsh on him. Like, holy shit, you guys, the score isn't even bad. It's fine. There's great fucking music in there. This guy puts out one subpar score, after four decades of making incredible music for Star Wars, and now people are ready to throw him under the bus. I'm not speaking to you, brandonh83, because I think we both like TFA soundtrack. Just people. ya'll make me sad

 

[CreepingFear]

If you could have Lucas as an adviser for certain things like villain design, that would have been nice. There is nothing wrong with the look of Maul. Snoke is one of my issues, but the pluses of this film override the negatives. Force Awakens is like someone you love, usually you are able to overlook the negatives because the positives out weight the negatives.

 

[VistraNorrez]

I'm not the biggest Giacchino fan but he's the heir apparent and probably should've done this movie.

Let's face it, Giacchino is going to score episodes X, XI, and XII.

 

[inm8num2]

Adam Driver is a great actor but when he pulled the helmet off I thought it was fucking Screech from Saved by the Bell.

 

[De_Legend]

How old is Kylo supposed to be? He only looks about 20. Did Han & Leia really wait 10 years to have a kid?

Irl he is 32 now, so I guess in the movie he's at least 25 but that's just speculation.

 

[bananafactory]

Irl he is 32 now, so I guess in the movie he's at least 25 but that's just speculation.

Yeah. I get the impression they sent him away as a "kid" (under 18).

I'd say he maybe left at 15, turned on Luke at 20, joined up with The First Order and is now 25-30

 

[Sectorseven]

How old is Kylo supposed to be? He only looks about 20. Did Han & Leia really wait 10 years to have a kid?

That's not unrealistic. They were busy fighting the remaining imperials and rebuilding the republic.

 

[CreepingFear]

I thought it was confirmed in one of the new books or comics that he is around 30ish. Born a few years after Battle of Endor? No?

 

[MMarston]

Ugh part of what excited me so much about ep 7, even though it apes ep 4 so hard, is that it sets up for a new adventure that's heading in a different direction than the previous trilogy. THis is just the same exact thing. What's the point? I'll be done with this trilogy for sure if that happens.

This is only one character plot-thread I'm talking about though. Of course everything else should be different in the bigger picture.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Giaccino would make a great replacement next time of course

I know, I feel weird saying it myself.

I appreciate that you said it with a Zod gif, though.

 

[Dice]

Adam Driver is 32. So I'd say Kylo could be anywhere from 20-35 (definitely can't pass for 40)

Hm, looking at some pics now he does look older with shorter hair and some facial hair. In the movie he kinda looked like a surfer dude youngin.

 

[Bloomers]

He obviously doesn't but I'm a John Williams fanboy.

And frankly speaking I think people are being harsh on him. Like, holy shit, you guys, the score isn't even bad. It's fine. There's great fucking music in there. This guy puts out one subpar score, after four decades of making incredible music for Star Wars, and now people are ready to throw him under the bus. I'm not speaking to you, brandonh83, because I think we both like TFA soundtrack. Just people. ya'll make me sad

I'm with you here. This score, while not as obviously iconic, is better than any fully orchestrated film score I've heard in AGES. If Williams is not back for the other 2 episodes, I'll be disappointed beyond belief.

 

[jtb]

He obviously doesn't but I'm a John Williams fanboy.

And frankly speaking I think people are being harsh on him. Like, holy shit, you guys, the score isn't even bad. It's fine. There's great fucking music in there. This guy puts out one subpar score, after four decades of making incredible music for Star Wars, and now people are ready to throw him under the bus. I'm not speaking to you, brandonh83, because I think we both like TFA soundtrack. Just people. ya'll make me sad

Acknowledging that a dude is 85 isn't throwing them under the bus, it's just... you know, you hate to see legends go out as a shadow of themselves. Now, whether this soundtrack is a shadow of his previous work in the franchise... I'm ambivalent. Frankly, I thought his last great Star Wars soundtrack was Attack of the Clones... RoTS had all the greatest hits, but it didn't do much for me.

but generally speaking, his soundtracks for Spielberg have been pretty tepid and... dare I say uninspired of late, so, for me, the gentle nudging of Williams towards retirement isn't really based on this film

 

[BrokenFiction]

I am really looking forward to seeing what Alexandre Desplat does with the Rogue One score.

 

[ghst]

the more i think about this film. the more i'm bummed out.

it really was a cross between a sequel and a reboot, stuffed with cheap homages and a plot that was more concerned with driving us between overly familiar set pieces than allowing the world and characters to breathe.

cheap, shallow and corporate.

 

[Brakke]

Would've been totally unnecessary.

All kind of people in this thread thought Corruscant got blasted but it didn't. They don't give any time at all to that blast, it leaves people confused and unimpressed. Even Order 66, which killed like six people whose names nobody knew, was weightier than this.

 

[Toxi]

Red Letter Media tweeted out yesterday that they saw TFA, shot the review, and are editing it.

This is what we have truly been waiting for.

Ugh. They shouldn't do a Plinkett review right after it comes out. These things need time.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

Ugh part of what excited me so much about ep 7, even though it apes ep 4 so hard, is that it sets up for a new adventure that's heading in a different direction than the previous trilogy. THis is just the same exact thing. What's the point? I'll be done with this trilogy for sure if that happens.

Yeah that would be a pretty boring direction but sadly it seems like that may be where it goes.