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[Vincent4756]

Man I loved the movie but I'm really disappointed with the musical score. Some of the themes are great but the sin "Torn Apart" that is Hans death just blows my mind.

Williams did wonderful work with RotS, and the last act of that movie shines brightly becuase of the emotionally charged music in those scenes.

The fact that Han gets this wimper really made his death underwhelming.

Sorry it's late and I'm pretty tired but after a couple of days just slowling listing and processing the music it just doesn't click at all and its pretty depressing.

 

[Spiritreaver]

Again, the movie even shows us he's weakened and losing ground when Rey fights him. Seriously, watch the movie again. Just sit and watch Kylo the entire time. He swings without control, it takes him a second to get himself back up to swing again. Rey could've beaten him before the ledge bit if she believed she could.

Then what happens? Oh right, she believes she can and does.

I made a post about this yesterday 30 minutes after watching the film.

 

[Glass Shark]

I might be reading too much into it, but based on some implications in the novelization, I think Finn is going to end up being Force-sensitive. The book keeps reiterating that there is something "special" about him.

 

[CreepingFear]

I'm watching a bootleg cam of the end scene again. Daisy and Mark kill that scene with their looks. It made me tear up in the theater. I disagree that it goes on too long.

Edit: Fuck it, I might go to a 11 o'clock showing tonight. I need this in my veins again.

 

[MisterHero]

The duel with Ren and Rey didn't bother me. Like, I could tell they were twerps at being jedi/sith and that a Luke or Vader would mop the floor with either of them and that Ren was working while injured. Ren is established like that the entire movie. Honestly, most of the First Order seems like they're a pale shell of the original empire and I like to think that's the intention.

My problem was Rey's magical Millennium Falcon piloting abilities.

I know right? It controlled like a freaking tank in the Rogue Squadron games

A-Wing all the way

 

[Armaros]

I'm watching a bootleg cam of the end scene again. Daisy and Mark kill that scene with their looks. It made me tear up in the theater. I disagree that it goes on too long.

It's more likely Finn is the main character that is involved with the rebels and Rey does the Jedi stuff.

Just like how it got divided in the original trilogy.

 

[ReadingRambo]

My problem was Rey's magical Millennium Falcon piloting abilities.

She literally says she's a pilot as they run for the first ship.

 

[Brakke]

The first order doesn't believe in security cameras

Nor do the Resistance believe in phones.

Hey Old Ally, just fucking fax that map over to Leia, bro.

 

[bananafactory]

The duel with Ren and Rey didn't bother me. Like, I could tell they were twerps at being jedi/sith and that a Luke or Vader would mop the floor with either of them and that Ren was working while injured. Ren is established like that the entire movie. Honestly, most of the First Order seems like they're a pale shell of the original empire and I like to think that's the intention.

My problem was Rey's magical Millennium Falcon piloting abilities.

Once again, this isn't something unique to TFA. In the Star Wars universe it seems clear that a "pilot" generally has the ability to fly many different types of ships. Luke flew an X-Wing for the first time during the assault on the Death Star and was practically the only person who didn't get blown to bits.

It is also indicated that Rey has flying experience. Maybe she's a BIT too good with the Falcon but I honestly never thought it was such a stretch that it would actually bother people

 

[Jack Scofield]

Let's not forget the freaking trailer narration where Luke literally says "my father had it, I had it, my sister had it, and you have it."

Which DIDN'T appear in the movie, so it will probably make an appearance next movie during training.

That was from Return of the Jedi.

 

[shira]

Man I loved the movie but I'm really disappointed with the musical score. Some of the themes are great but the sin "Torn Apart" that is Hans death just blows my mind.

Williams did wonderful work with RotS, and the last act of that movie shines brightly becuase of the emotionally charged music in those scenes.

The fact that Han gets this wimper really made his death underwhelming.

Sorry it's late and I'm pretty tired but after a couple of days just slowling listing and processing the music it just doesn't click at all and its pretty depressing.

The trailers had better music.

 

[CreepingFear]

Nor do the Resistance believe in phones.

Hey Old Ally, just fucking fax that map over to Leia, bro.

It was a long, long time ago.

 

[Korey]

Wait, is the subtitle on this thread intentional?

lol

 

[Admiral Woofington]

How common is the wavy lightsaber beam? If it's not too common I thought it played well with Kylo's 'instability'. I mentioned it earlier didn't see an answer from experts so curious if I'm talking out of my ass.

 

[Dead]

That was from Return of the Jedi.

The fact is though that they used it in the trailers for this movie. It only makes sense in one context imo

 

[CreepingFear]

How common is the wavy lightsaber beam? If it's not too common I thought it played well with Kylo's 'instability'. I mentioned it earlier didn't see an answer from experts so curious if I'm talking out of my ass.

The beam is perfect, as unstable as it's master.

Why does Darth Maul have a double bladed light saber? small pee pee? two penises?

 

[bananafactory]

I might be reading too much into it, but based on some implications in the novelization, I think Finn is going to end up being Force-sensitive. The book keeps reiterating that there is something "special" about him.

I doubt the author of the book is privy to the details of the Episode 8 and 9 scripts.

 

[Brakke]

Those complaints about the cruciform light saber being impractical are really funny in hindsight after seeing poor Finn stabbed by one of the quillons.

You only made this post so you could use the word "quillons".

Well I'll have you know, I am impressed by the word "quillons", I'm definitely stashing that one to use later.

 

[Arkeband]

That was from Return of the Jedi.

It was still referring to something in the new movie, they didn't put it in the trailer for no reason.

 

[Data West]

She literally says she's a pilot as they run for the first ship.

A) How is she a pilot when she's said to have lived on Jakku her entire life? What kind of business would a scavenger have piloting or even have the access to a ship?

B) The Millennium Falcon was outdated 40 years ago. And in the original trilogy they reference how hard it is to pilot because of how old it is. In Star Wars world you can drive a Honda Civic and then jump into a Model T and instantly get it?

 

[Toa TAK]

My problem was Rey's magical Millennium Falcon piloting abilities.

I know people have an issue with this, but it never entered my mind, it's my favorite action piece of the film. It was awesome seeing the new blood give the Millennium Falcon a go without the original gang around to help. Thrilling stuff.

 

[Replicant]

Wait, is the subtitle on this thread intentional:

lol

Well, it's not exactly a surprise, is it? I mean, after the rejection of PT by the fans, they must have looked at the OT and tried their best to imitate it, thus the almost copying of the beats of the OT from the captured Princess/Rebel Pilot to the destruction of a planet-destroying weapon.

 

[foxuzamaki]

There is one thing that really bothered me about rey tho, when she was strapped to the chair, she tried jedi mind trick, I kinda find that such a leap from just discovering her powers to using jedi mind trick, I mean, it didnt immediately work and such, but i feel it shouldnt have worked at all, I mean, how did she even know what jedi mind trick even was?

Like I feel like thats something that should have been taught to her, its one thing to accidentally use force pull or force push, is another to just use jedi mind trick.

 

[Krev]

I doubt the author of the book is privy to the details of the Episode 8 and 9 scripts.

I think I read that Lucasfilm have a 'story division' to keep everything consistent in canon, so it wouldn't surprise me if he did.

 

[Alebrije]

A) How is she a pilot when she's said to have lived on Jakku her entire life? What kind of business would a scavenger have piloting or even have the access to a ship?

B) The Millennium Falcon was outdated 40 years ago. And in the original trilogy they reference how hard it is to pilot because of how old it is. In Star Wars world you can drive a Honda Civic and then jump into a Model T and instantly get it?

The force works in mysterious ways

 

[Blargonaut]

But what about when they try to shoot down Poe/Finn when escaping? And then the bombing once Finn is with Rey in that little village? How did Phasma know that they would survive?

Phasma/Snoke had ordered all her troops to either miss on purpose or strike non-lethally, or else arranged the crash with Finn. Finn stopped shooting while "arguing" with Poe about where to go, right? He basically "allowed" their TIE fighter to be "shot down" during the chase. He even escaped in an ejection seat before the crash-landing. Besides, how exactly did Poe get off Jakku? Because his "escape" was totally set up by Phasma/Snoke, with the goal of Poe successfully returning to the Resistance to vouch for Finn, allowing Finn to be in a good, trusted position within their ranks while spying on them for Phasma.

And how did Finn know exactly which direction to walk in while wandering a desert planet in order to find the exact settlement that Rey was in? He just happened to land within walking distance, and happened to pick the right direction to walk in in the scorchingly lethal desert heat? I don't think so. It's all because Finn is carrying out Phasma/Snoke's mission, and as a First Order double agent he was briefed on all the important details on all the important characters and their whereabouts!

omg

Finn had no reason to not kill those civilians in the beginning. Kylo Ren is as good as dead. In a large audience, safe franchise like Star Wars, you can't let someone who killed that many people become a good guy.

Just because Finn is possibly a First Order double agent doesn't mean that he doesn't have a conscience...

And who knows what they could try with a new trilogy?

 

[Armaros]

A) How is she a pilot when she's said to have lived on Jakku her entire life? What kind of business would a scavenger have piloting or even have the access to a ship?

B) The Millennium Falcon was outdated 40 years ago. And in the original trilogy they reference how hard it is to pilot because of how old it is. In Star Wars world you can drive a Honda Civic and then jump into a Model T and instantly get it?

Judging from her conversation with Han about the 'additions' to the ship and how they don't help but are a hindrance.

She knows the ship.

 

[CoolOff]

Why do people say that Kylo Ren is a "good swordfighter"? How many lightsabres has he gone up against in the last 5-10 years?

He's unrefined, and rusty as hell. And he took a shot to the stomach. And Finn got a hit in.

 

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A) How is she a pilot when she's said to have lived on Jakku her entire life? What kind of business would a scavenger have piloting or even have the access to a ship?

B) The Millennium Falcon was outdated 40 years ago. And in the original trilogy they reference how hard it is to pilot because of how old it is. In Star Wars world you can drive a Honda Civic and then jump into a Model T and instantly get it?

When Han asked Rey where she found it, in her explaination didn't she say she was a part of how it was found? "This person stole it from that person, I found it and brought it to this person." Wasn't it something like that?

I think it's also good to remember that Rey wasn't a slave there, she actively didn't want to leave. With that in mind there is nothing saying she wasn't allowed to fly ships there for work.

 

[Brakke]

It was a long, long time ago.

They can fly ships at Ultra Lightspeed, crossing from one Galactic arm to another in like a minute but they don't got fax machines?

Maybe Space NSA won, everyone's too worried about surveillance to transmit. Or they got those Quantum Comprooters, encryption is broken so everything goes in the clear.

 

[Scrooged]

There is one thing that really bothered me about rey tho, when she was strapped to the chair, she tried jedi mind trick, I kinda find that such a leap from just discovering her powers to using jedi mind trick, I mean, it didnt immediately work and such, but i feel it shouldnt have worked at all, I mean, how did she even know what jedi mind trick even was?

Like I feel like thats something that should have been taught to her, its one thing to accidentally use force pull or force push, is another to just use jedi mind trick.

It's not unreasonable to assume that specific Jedi powers were part of the 'myth' that she was familiar with.

 

[foxuzamaki]

Well, it's not exactly a surprise, is it? I mean, after the rejection of PT by the fans, they must have looked at the OT and tried their best to imitate it, thus the almost copying of the beats of the OT from the captured Princess/Rebel Pilot to the destruction of a planet-destroying weapon.

One thing they didnt take into account tho is there are fans who still liked the prequels despite their flaws.

 

[bananafactory]

I think I read that Lucasfilm have a 'story division' to keep everything consistent in canon, so it wouldn't surprise me if he did.

Ah, interesting. I never really thought about how the handle that stuff.

 

[Exis]

I liked the characters but disliked the plot- it was a rehash of Star Wars.

 

[aliengmr]

The problem isn't so much that Ren lost, it's the way he lost.

Let's disregard the fact that he got clowned in the interrogation scene. Ren was winning the fight right up until he had Rey on the by the chasm. He had her where he wanted her, teethering on the edge of death and desperate, and he tried to seduce her.

Somehow, by mentioning the Force, Rey was able to close her eyes, concentrate and then pummel him in 30 seconds.

It's a shitty way to end a fight with a villain everything up until that point had been establshing as a real threat.

Ren could've recovered from being clowned in the interrogation scene, that's not so easily done from getting rekt in the forest. Episode VIII will have to do a lot re-establish him as a threat worth fearing.

Darth Vader was about to kill Luke when his wingman clipped him, sending him spinning away from the battle, freeing Luke to "use the force" and destroy the Death Star.

Ren and that jalopy of a lightsaber put Finn in coma, killed Han fucking Solo, then fought another hero - a force user herself - while wounded.

Just because Ren isn't cookie cutter-prequel sith #637892-4, doesn't mean he is any less dangerous. Vader and Maul were cool looking but did you have any other emotions about them when you first saw them? No. They were token bad guys.

Ren taking off his mask is becoming my favorite part of the movie. With no dialog they mind fucked everyone. The entire character changed. With the mask he seemed more expressive and then without it...I was taken aback. It subverted every expectation I had. ESB gave the characters dimensions and personalities and TFA manged to do it again.

For her part Rey has a very Skywalker way of using the force and they managed to also highlight the differences between her and Ren. He lost to Rey because she seemed to learn how to draw on the force consistently. She almost approached it like a machine. She realized she could use the force and instead spending the entire movie bumbling around agonizing over it, she focused on what worked and did it.

Clearly the intent was to establish characters that will grow over the sequels and they did that. They may not be the characters people wanted, but they are what the franchise needs. They did the impossible with TFA. Cynicism has be erradicated.

 

[-griffy-]

A) How is she a pilot when she's said to have lived on Jakku her entire life? What kind of business would a scavenger have piloting or even have the access to a ship?

B) The Millennium Falcon was outdated 40 years ago. And in the original trilogy they reference how hard it is to pilot because of how old it is. In Star Wars world you can drive a Honda Civic and then jump into a Model T and instantly get it?

I don' t understand this problem with Rey being a pilot. She's introduced as a character that climbs through old space ships all day and knows what pieces of scrap are valuable, who then restores those pieces to working order to sell and works in a salvage/ship yard. She says she's a pilot, and then demonstrates through action that she clearly is. Her day to day life gives her all the knowledge she needs to know how ships run and how to repair them and how they work. The Falcon has been there, where she lives and works every day, for what did they say, a decade? Presumably she knows about it. And it's Star Wars. If you know how to fly one ship you know how to fly every ship.

But back to her being a pilot, and demonstrating it through action, through the movie and character showing us. Is this not a valid form of exposition? Do we need an expository line saying she used to take out swamp rats all the time flying through the canyon in order to buy that she's a pilot, rather than the movie straight up showing us she is in her introductory action sequence?

Oh, and I'm ignoring the whole FORCE THING, which kind of wipes out any other bullshit doubts. She's a pilot because of her circumstance/job, and she's a good pilot because she's got mega force shit going on, which just naturally gives her better reflexes and quicker thinking in order to bust out sick Falcon drifting. Because the force is the thing that makes a dopey kid an expert F1 driver and a dopey teenager an ace F16 pilot and Rey a good pilot. I mean, that's why Luke is a good pilot. People know that, right? It's not actually because he practiced shooting rats with a nerf gun back home.

 

[ReadingRambo]

A) How is she a pilot when she's said to have lived on Jakku her entire life? What kind of business would a scavenger have piloting or even have the access to a ship?

B) The Millennium Falcon was outdated 40 years ago. And in the original trilogy they reference how hard it is to pilot because of how old it is. In Star Wars world you can drive a Honda Civic and then jump into a Model T and instantly get it?

I didn't write the movie, but she IS a pilot.
Finn "we need a pilot!"
Rey "weve got one!"
Also tells Han shes a pretty good pilot iirc.
I'm just going to assume you had similar problems with Luke's mastery of the X-wing.

 

[Quote]

Phasma/Snoke had ordered all her troops to either miss on purpose or strike non-lethally, or else arranged the crash with Finn. Finn stopped shooting while "arguing" with Poe about where to go, right? He basically "allowed" their TIE fighter to be "shot down" during the chase. He even escaped in an ejection seat before the crash-landing. Besides, how exactly did Poe get off Jakku? Because his "escape" was totally set up by Phasma/Snoke, with the goal of Poe successfully returning to the Resistance to vouch for Finn, allowing Finn to be in a good, trusted position within their ranks while spying on them for Phasma.

And how did Finn know exactly which direction to walk in while wandering a desert planet in order to find the exact settlement that Rey was in? He just happened to land within walking distance, and happened to pick the right direction to walk in in the scorchingly lethal desert heat? I don't think so. It's all because Finn is carrying out Phasma/Snoke's mission, and as a First Order double agent he was briefed on all the important details on all the important characters and their whereabouts!

omg



Just because Finn is possibly a First Order double agent doesn't mean that he doesn't have a conscience...

And who knows what they could try with a new trilogy?

Because if true, these would all be terrible red hearings not obvious conclusions.

 

[Zabka]

It's part of the Jedi training to blow an enemy space station to hell. Even the 3 year old in Episode I got his.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

"I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home"

 

[foxuzamaki]

It's not unreasonable to assume that specific Jedi powers were part of the 'myth' that she was familiar with.

I suppose, mind trick should kinda be on a bigger league than baby's force jedi power tho

 

[timmyp53]

I liked the characters but disliked the plot- it was a rehash of Star Wars.

I liked the characters and plot was good but dialogue between Fin and Rey... That rushed chemistry/romance. Why?

 

[BrokenFiction]

A) How is she a pilot when she's said to have lived on Jakku her entire life? What kind of business would a scavenger have piloting or even have the access to a ship?

B) The Millennium Falcon was outdated 40 years ago. And in the original trilogy they reference how hard it is to pilot because of how old it is. In Star Wars world you can drive a Honda Civic and then jump into a Model T and instantly get it?

Reposting from earlier:

Rey and the piloting thing - read Greg Rucka's Before the Awakening. It just came out yesterday. In Rey's story, she finds an old working flight simulator/trainer while scavenging and because she's so lonely all the time, learns it backwards and forwards. Frankly she's probably one of the best pilots out there with no actual flight time because the simulator had tons and tons of different starships to practice on. It's where she picked up a lot of mechanical skills too.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

Reposting from earlier:

Rey and the piloting thing - read Greg Rucka's Before the Awakening. It just came out yesterday. In Rey's story, she finds an old working flight simulator/trainer while scavenging and because she's so lonely all the time, learns it backwards and forwards. Frankly she's probably one of the best pilots out there with no actual flight time because the simulator had tons and tons of different starships to practice on. It's where she picked up a lot of mechanical skills too.

That's not explained in the film though.

 

[Toxi]

"I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home"

I love how Luke brags about the equivalent of shooting cans with an air rifle to trained military.

 

[Frog-fu]

Sure let's ignore that it took three tries for the mind trick to work and the fact that she fought a weakened Kylo (movie took pains to show how strong the bowcaster is, even shows Kylo bleeding on the snow in case you missed him getting shot 3 minutes earlier.

Three whole tries? Yeah, she really struggled pulling of an advanced Jedi ability on her first try ever using the Force. C'mon.

No one is ignoring the bowcaster wound. Problem is that it had little to do with Ren losing. He lost because Rey is, for whatever reason, a master of the Force despite having no training, because reasons.

The duel with Ren and Rey didn't bother me. Like, I could tell they were twerps at being jedi/sith and that a Luke or Vader would mop the floor with either of them and that Ren was working while injured. Ren is established like that the entire movie. Honestly, most of the First Order seems like they're a pale shell of the original empire and I like to think that's the intention.

My problem was Rey's magical Millennium Falcon piloting abilities.

If Rey is a Skywalker, that shouldn't be much a surprise. Anakin and Luke were both ace pilots. Plus she's a scavenger and a gearhead, she's always around ships and speeders and whatnot. She probably had opportunities to learn how to fly and is naturally talented.

Nah, Anakin was born with a high midichlorian count, and used the Force while podracing. He didn't even know what he was doing. Rey is just as much of a natural.

Anakin was an anomaly in the Force. That was established early on in TPM and in very clear terms.

Given how reviled the PT is, I sincerely doubt Rey is another such anomaly, and even if she is "just" a savant, given the information we have, it wouldn't be reasonable to argue on the basis of such grand speculation.

 

[bananafactory]

That's not explained in the film though.

Because it doesn't need to be. Jesus Christ.

Some of yall want a 5 hour film with full length backstory flashbacks for each character

 

[Monocle]

Darth Vader was about to kill Luke when his wingman clipped him, sending him spinning away from the battle, freeing Luke to "use the force" and destroy the Death Star.

Ren and that jalopy of a lightsaber put Finn in coma, killed Han fucking Solo, then fought another hero - a force user herself - while wounded.

Just because Ren isn't cookie cutter-prequel sith #637892-4, doesn't mean he is any less dangerous. Vader and Maul were cool looking but did you have any other emotions about them when you first saw them? No. They were token bad guys.

Ren taking off his mask is becoming my favorite part of the movie. With no dialog they mind fucked everyone. The entire character changed. With the mask he seemed more expressive and then without it...I was taken aback. It subverted every expectation I had. ESB gave the characters dimensions and personalities and TFA manged to do it again.

For her part Rey has a very Skywalker way of using the force and they managed to also highlight the differences between her and Ren. He lost to Rey because she seemed to learn how to draw on the force consistently. She almost approached it like a machine. She realized she could use the force and instead spending the entire movie bumbling around agonizing over it, she focused on what worked and did it.

Clearly the intent was to establish characters that will grow over the sequels and they did that. They may not be the characters people wanted, but they are what the franchise needs. They did the impossible with TFA. Cynicism has be erradicated.

Good post. Kylo's characterization in TFA is outstanding. He could have been a one-note Vader rehash. Instead he defies your expectations and turns into one of the most complex characters in the movie.

 

[CambriaRising]

That's not explained in the film though.

So what?

 

[Armaros]

Three whole tries? Yeah, she really struggled pulling of an advanced Jedi ability on her first try ever using the Force. C'mon.

No one is ignoring the bowcaster wound. Problem is that it had little to do with Ren losing. He lost because Rey is, for whatever reason, a master of the Force despite having no training, because reasons.



If Rey is a Skywalker, that shouldn't be much a surprise. Anakin and Luke were both ace pilots. Plus she's a scavenger and a gearhead, she's always around ships and speeders and whatnot. She probably had opportunities to learn how to fly and is naturally talented.



Anakin was an anomaly in the Force. That was established early on in TPM and in very clear terms.

Given how reviled the PT is, I sincerely doubt Rey is another such anomaly, and even if she is, given the information we have, it wouldn't be reasonable to argue on the basis of such grand speculation.

Your contradict yourself. You say your are not ignoring the wound and yet brush off anything but your own explanation of how she won.

And ignore his fight with Finn right before.