[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up

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Ether_Snake said:
Trying to make sense of the vision again:

1- We see Luke with R2 in front of something burning, I think this could be some dead jedis bodies being cremated by Luke. Ben might have killed some, but not all, before leaving for the first Oder, if any at all...

2- Presumably the next scene is set after #1, we assume Kylo and his knights killed jedis here, but that's less than certain at this point, this is an assumption. What if those people were jedis who killed themselves? The last one remaining would have been young Rey and an adult (possibly her own father), and he tries to club her to death (Rey might even have resisted, killing her own mother first, who knows), but Kylo kills him before he can, saving Rey's life. This scene was really filmed like the guy was going to club Rey (vulnerable camera angle).

The whole balanced forced thing, it's possible they realized that it was wrong to raise new jedis, that it would trigger an awakening on the dark side, Luke went looking for answers, but in his absence the new jedi order basically all committed a Jonestown-like suicide. Rey was supposed to be killed, but Kylo and his knights saved her. For whatever reason she is dumped on Jakku later on.

Still prefer the idea that Rey killed her own family/the other jedis and trauma caused her to forget everything, so Kylo and co. saw no use in her for now and just dumped her on Jakku. But the above could be another possibility.
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Interesting. I believe Luke touching R2-D2 is supposed to be a sign of him giving R2-D2 the map to his location and R2-D2 was shut down the entire time compiling the map all by himself and finally woke up when it was done.
 
Pro said:
Interesting. I believe Luke touching R2-D2 is supposed to be a sign of him giving R2-D2 the map to his location and R2-D2 was shut down the entire time compiling the map all by himself and finally woke up when it was done.
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R2 woke up when Rey arrived on planet, right? Eg when a great, Luke-level force power was nearby. Perhaps the same thing he sensed back when Luke and R2 left Rey on Jakku.
 
VistraNorrez said:
Has it been brought up that Maybe it was Kylo that kidnapped young Rey from Luke (she being his daughter), made Luke think he killed her, but in fact Kylo dropped he off on Jakku or with some family that eventually dropped her off on Jakku? We know Kylo struggles with conflict in this film, it might have been even stronger of a pull when he messed up Luke's Academy. He couldn't go through with killing his little cousin. Or maybe he thought he killed her but she managed to survive, and that's why she has amnesia.
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While this is a neat theory I feel like the ages don't match up.

Rey's flashback shows that's she's what...4 years old when she's dropped off on the planet? Considering she's probably 18 in the film that's a span of 14 years that have passed.

If you assume Ben is 25 in the film, he would have been 11 when he massacred everyone in the temple. Would an 11-year old have been capable of doing this without being stopped?
 
blly155 said:
Went to see this again yesterday. I don't go to the cinema much as it is but to go see the same film more than once is something rare. I really did enjoy it.

I watched Episodes 1-6 a couple years ago but started watching them again. They make a bit more sense to me now but I've just finished A New Hope and it feels like they've just based TFA on that.

ANH: Leia puts the death star plans into a droid to return to the rebels
TFA: Poe puts the map to Luke in a droid to return to the resistance.

ANH: a lot of action with Han Solo (first movie) /Chewbacca/Millennium Falcon
TFA: a lot of action with Han Solo (last movie) /Chewbacca/Millennium Falcon

ANH: the empire are on a big planet which is used as a weapon.
TFA: the first order are on an even bigger planet which is also used as a weapon.

ANH: Darth Vadar
TFA: Kylo Ren who wants to be just like Darth Vadar.

ANH: the weapon is destroyed by x-wing fighters while flying through the trench
TFA: the weapon is destroyed by x-wing fighters (with help from han/chewy/rey/finn) while flying through the trench.

I'm not hating on TFA but after rewatching ANH it just feels a bit..cheaper. I really can't wait to see what happens with all the new character's and old too over the course of the trilogy but I do wish the plot was a bit more original.
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Well duh. It's the exact same movie. Very disappointing
 
FlashbladeGAF said:
Had to have been part of the vision, since he shows up at end without his mask.

Since the vision consisted of fast edits, I can see why they cut it.

Maybe it will return in full form when we get the full story.



Maybe that's why Chewie's blast didn't knock him off his feet.
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But it was already on the ground at that point not weighing him down. #NoFunAllowed.jpg
 
Pro said:
Totally. Han has been estranged from Leia for who knows exactly how long. He felt like she was the "daughter" he never had. Leia could have kept it a secret and hidden her away on Jakku if they already had plans for Ben to train with Luke. It's definitely possible.
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So who would be the father, someone already introduced or a character to be revealed? I mean, all these theories are fun and I wouldn't completely discount it, but just off what we saw in TFA, Leia doesn't treat Ren like a long-lost daughter. As I said before, Leia gives her a few 'knowing' glances, like she's aware of who she is( Luke's daughter?) but not that Rey is her own daughter. I believe Luke and Rey's silent interaction towards each other, just the emotions expressed, are more indicative of a father-daughter relationship.
 
Pro said:
Interesting. I believe Luke touching R2-D2 is supposed to be a sign of him giving R2-D2 the map to his location and R2-D2 was shut down the entire time compiling the map all by himself and finally woke up when it was done.
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Yeah but the fire meant something, it also felt more like him touching a sad R2. I don't think Luke force-fed a map to R2, that would be silly. Every indication so far is that R2 had that part of the map because it was physically obtained, not force-fed.
 
JetBlackPanda said:
Kylo obviously knows who Rey is.. why is that? she had to have been hidden. Maybe she was more powerful then him in training and it always pissed him off.
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I still like the brother/sister angle. There is too much of an age difference in them to have been peers in the Jedi Academy, especially when she appears to be 5-7 years old when put on Jakku.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
Top of his poop scooping class. As to the lightsaber she gave it to him so he'd bring it to Rey and it happens to be a weapon too
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SomTervo said:
That's interesting.

I mean, physically you can deflect shots if you aren't force-sensitive. But it's highly improbable.
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Since Rey is likely a Skywalker and training with dad, It would be cool if Finn trained with Maz and turned out more like Kyle Katran.
 
blly155 said:
Went to see this again yesterday. I don't go to the cinema much as it is but to go see the same film more than once is something rare. I really did enjoy it.

I watched Episodes 1-6 a couple years ago but started watching them again. They make a bit more sense to me now but I've just finished A New Hope and it feels like they've just based TFA on that.

ANH: Leia puts the death star plans into a droid to return to the rebels
TFA: Poe puts the map to Luke in a droid to return to the resistance.

ANH: a lot of action with Han Solo (first movie) /Chewbacca/Millennium Falcon
TFA: a lot of action with Han Solo (last movie) /Chewbacca/Millennium Falcon

ANH: the empire are on a big planet which is used as a weapon.
TFA: the first order are on an even bigger planet which is also used as a weapon.

ANH: Darth Vadar
TFA: Kylo Ren who wants to be just like Darth Vadar.

ANH: the weapon is destroyed by x-wing fighters while flying through the trench
TFA: the weapon is destroyed by x-wing fighters (with help from han/chewy/rey/finn) while flying through the trench.

I'm not hating on TFA but after rewatching ANH it just feels a bit..cheaper. I really can't wait to see what happens with all the new character's and old too over the course of the trilogy but I do wish the plot was a bit more original.
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I'd actually say the middle part is more like ESB, and the ending battle is more like RotJ with simultaneous ground and space missions happening.
 
Not Spaceghost said:
My money is still on Rey being the sole survivor of the Jedi Camp, with Luke rescuing her, sealing up her memories and hiding her on Jakku until she was "ready" to take on the dark side. She would be unusually strong in the force or something which is why after Kylo fell Luke became concerned she might fall if she was allowed to continue her training without her doing something stupidly heroic beforehand.

Also I wonder if Luke is gonna feel very "grey jedi" in episode 8, I'm sure after the disaster that was the first academy Luke is gonna feel responsible, and scared of training others and as we all know fear is the path to the dark side. So maybe he dabbled in it or something. Maybe Luke will give us an oh shit moment in the next movie where he unleashes some force lightning.



I was 9 when I saw TPM, and I loved it. It had a kid in the movie, I was a kid, the kid did cool things just like the grown ups did, there were lightsabers and pod racing. Jar Jar was basically the kid humor of the late 90s too so he didn't even feel that out of place considering how many cartoons I watched.

The movie was literally built for 9 year old kids who were too distracted by the fun stuff to see the plot being a disaster.
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I was a bit older than 9, but yeah, the pod race and Darth Maul fight were awesome. And the music above all (one of the first CDs I ever bought). We were so hyped for that movie, way more than TFA. But it didn't take long for it to sink in that the story was nonsense and past the spectacle there was nothing likable. I was actually dreading AotC. I was sure it was going to be awful, but I hoped maybe they would learn from their mistakes.
 
SomTervo said:
R2 woke up when Rey arrived on planet, right? Eg when a great, Luke-level force power was nearby. Perhaps the same thing he sensed back when Luke and R2 left Rey on Jakku.
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The actual reason why R2 booting up was explained by JJ and its not great. BB8 apparently walked up and decided to Ask R2 if he had any maps and surprise in the death star all those years ago he downloaded the map that he needed.

time to boot up.

not joking
 
Ether_Snake said:
Yeah but the fire meant something, it also felt more like him touching a sad R2. I don't think Luke force-fed a map to R2, that would be silly. Every indication so far is that R2 had that part of the map because it was physically obtained, not force-fed.
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No not force-fed, just given to him physically in chip form or something and then sent away with it and R2 had to compile it.
 
I don't know, if there's some relation between Rey and Kylo, I don't much care for the amnesia spell that's been cast on them. It's too easy a reset button.
 
Zaptruder said:
Like seriously, that was the most hype scene in the trailer... and I was waiting for it to appear in the movie.

And got disappointed when I thought I missed it.

Like damn. If you're going to have hype trailers, why don't you make sure the scenes are representative of the final movie? (special effects changes acceptable... completely missing, not so cool!).
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I think it was a shot just for the trailers or they completely changed the scneario. In the trailer, he had his mask on. In the movie, he had it off completely when he went to chase after Rey and Finn.
 
When I was shopping yesterday it occurred to me how much Han Solo's Disney Infinity figure/character model looks like Adam Driver.

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NOLA_Gaffer said:
While this is a neat theory I feel like the ages don't match up.

Rey's flashback shows that's she's what...4 years old when she's dropped off on the planet? Considering she's probably 18 in the film that's a span of 14 years that have passed.

If you assume Ben is 25 in the film, he would have been 11 when he massacred everyone in the temple. Would an 11-year old have been capable of doing this without being stopped?
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Why would we assume that?
 
Pro said:
No not force-fed, just given to him physically in chip form or something and then sent away with it and R2 had to compile it.
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Oh yeah possibly. Whatever the case the fire means something too, it's not there for nothing. Could be the cremation, and where R2 and Luke part ways.
 
dragonyeuw said:
So who would be the father, someone already introduced or a character to be revealed? I mean, all these theories are fun and I wouldn't completely discount it, but just off what we saw in TFA, Leia doesn't treat Ren like a long-lost daughter. As I said before, Leia gives her a few 'knowing' glazes, like she's aware of who she is( Luke's daughter?) but not that Rey is her own daughter. I believe Luke and Rey's silent interaction towards each other, just the emotions expressed, are more indicative of a father-daughter relationship.
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Who knows. For all we know she's completely unrelated. I mean if Luke was training generic Force Sensitive individuals (akin to the Jedi Academy Trilogy in the EU) then they were just individuals who came from no special line but have the ability to use The Force. She could have come from someone like this but given her major role and highly elevated Force sensitivity, it seems she does come from a powerful bloodline. Or she could just be the new Kyp Durron :)
 
I'm seriously impressed with the reach of Star Wars.

I was just on the phone with an insurance company, and the fucking hold music was Binary Suns.

Anyway, I neeeeeed to see it a third time. Soon.
 
JetBlackPanda said:
The actual reason why R2 booting up was explained by JJ and its not great. BB8 apparently walked up and decided to Ask R2 if he had any maps and surprise in the death star all those years ago he downloaded the map that he needed.

time to boot up.

not joking
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Why didn't he ask him before they went to the starkiller base? Plot hole?
 
Pro said:
Hmm...like a third generation from Obi-Wan? So then her parents/grand parents were Force sensitive but never learned it? Obi-Wan got it in? I suppose they could go that route.
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It would certainly be an interesting plot twist if she was a grand-daughter, but its entirely possible she could be related through Obi-Wan's parents or the like.

Think about it tho, Luke takes in and mentors a young Kenobi, and then when things go south, drops her off on a distant planet to protect her from his failed apprentice, only for her to pop-up years later and be the second Kenobi to give him his Father's lightsaber.

its almost poetic in a way.

Of course, its probably just going to be that she's Luke's Daughter, but it would certainly make for an interesting twist.

Also, like I said earlier, would make for an interesting Obi-Wan spin-off movie.
 
SomTervo said:
I said earlier ITT that I think TFA was really a love letter to A New Hope, and that Episode 8 is going to go crazy and really build the franchise.
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I would say it is a love letter to the OT in general with a large focus of A New Hope. It also has bits and pieces from ESB and ROTJ with some alteration like, the confrontation with Han and Ben (Vader and Luke), the ground troop disabling the shield so the death star/Starkiller Base can be destroyed and of course the death of a major character Han/Vader.
 
dragonyeuw said:
So who would be the father, someone already introduced or a character to be revealed? I mean, all these theories are fun and I wouldn't completely discount it, but just off what we saw in TFA, Leia doesn't treat Ren like a long-lost daughter. As I said before, Leia gives her a few 'knowing' glances, like she's aware of who she is( Luke's daughter?) but not that Rey is her own daughter. I believe Luke and Rey's silent interaction towards each other, just the emotions expressed, are more indicative of a father-daughter relationship.
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It's a double bluff. They made it seem like she was Luke's daughter in the movie, but there's a twist! She's actually Leia's while her and Han were separated! But who is the father? Another twist! She's actually Luke's daughter as well as being Leia's daughter! Star Wars Episode 8, an M Night Shyamalan production. EDIT: And she's actually a force ghost all along.
 
Actually, I think my only real strong actual disappointment is with the music. It's just kinda non-existent. They tried some things with Ren's theme, but most of it fell flat.

Even the prequels got this right for the most part, so that was kinda depressing.
 
The One Who Knocks said:
It's a double bluff. They made it seem like she was Luke's daughter in the movie, but there's a twist! She's actually Leia's while her and Han were separated! But who is the father? Another twist! She's actually Luke's daughter as well as being Leia's daughter! Star Wars Episode 8, an M Night Shyamalan production.
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Twin incest? Bruh! But yeah could totally be Leia's daughter and not Han's.
 
JetBlackPanda said:
The actual reason why R2 booting up was explained by JJ and its not great. BB8 apparently walked up and decided to Ask R2 if he had any maps and surprise in the death star all those years ago he downloaded the map that he needed.

time to boot up.

not joking
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Wouldnt it make 100 times more sense to have him pickup lukes sword on a scanner or something and then wake up.

Aegus said:
Which already made its way to the resistance planet with Finn. So not the sabre.
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Ah thats right.
 
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