[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up

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Jarmel said:
Either Williams or the sound director really just flatlined on this film. The X-Wing and Rey's theme are like the only two memorable tracks in the entire OST. He needs to step his game up for VIII.
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Nah. Torn Apart, Jedi Steps, The Scavenger, March of the Resistance. I've found several tracks to be pretty memorable.
 
JetBlackPanda said:
You don't have to buy into it. Its what JJ said happened. The map was not leading to Luke. It was simply a Map of Jedi temples.
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LAUGHTREY said:
Right, they sort of glossed over it though. I forgot they said he went to the "first jedi temple" in the opening crawl maybe?

So the empire would've destroyed that information if they could've. Luke told them where he went, they just didn't know where it was.

He shouldn't have been in this movie either. They really need to tone down the 'its like poetry it rhymes' thing with episode 8 and not just try to remake Empire, but they could've made Luke the "great warrior" that Rey mistakes for a crazy old hermit ala Yoda.
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Ok I can see that. The Yellow trail is a trail of the Jedi Temples? Luke came across it on R2-D2 and pursued the trail looking for this "thing" he's looking for. But the missing piece still showed where he was which came from somewhere presumably him and ended up with Max Von Sydow. Also was that a grave site Luke was standing at during the final scene? Looked like one. Who's grave?
 
bluehat9 said:
Just saw it (half full theatre for a 9:30 start on a Monday?). Really liked it, much more than the prequels. Managed to avoid spoilers too. Had to laugh at Phasma and 3PO though. Is she confirmed to be a recurring character because she did nothing in this one and the her black series toy kept selling out in seconds so I thought she had a bigger role. And why did 3PO have the red arm? Oh well, he had his regular one back at the end anyway.

The only part I didn't like was how Rey knew mind tricks to use on the stormtrooper even though she didn't even know what the force was.

Some parts were hilarious too and I laughed more than some recent comedies I've seen.
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I can't remember - did this happen before or after Han told Rey and Finn that the Force is real?
 
My crazy ass theory:

Since Kylo a few times fought against the "seduction of the light" and Han telling Kylo that he's basically being used a puppet for Snoke, I think that is exactly the case. Snoke used Kylo to prey on his obsession with his grandfather, because he lost the true successor to Palpatine's bloodline, which is Rey. Its why Luke saw her, and he had a look of remorse, a small look of fear when she held out the lightsaber.

So Ep. VIII Kylo/Rey will switch places.
 
If one really wants to play mental gymnastics with the PT's saber fights, you could reason that at the time of the Republic the primary threat against Jedi peacekeepers was blaster fire from multiple angles. So they trained primarily in lightsaber forms that emphasized deflection meaning they had very active sword styles.

By the time of the OT the biggest threat to a saber user is another saber user so they used more direct attacks with thrusts and parries.

That sounds plausible right..?
 
Maybe Luke had a David Koresh situation going on in his Jedi compound and The First Order (ATF) offered Kylo a job if he would lead the infiltration and mission.
Of course in ATF fashion they screwed it all up and everyone died.
But Luke escaped
 
Solo said:
They were mere drops in an ocean of OT references. Disney knows the PT were stinkers. They'll never go back to that well.
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Heh. Ok, sure. I guess that has nothing to do with the fact that NOBODY from the PT exists any longer and everything to do with "Disney" hating the prequels.
 
bitizenbon said:
Wow, reading through this thread, it seems that a lot of you people are choosing to ignore the fact that there are another two films coming out.
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I'm willing to play the long game and guess that 30 years from now they're on Episode 16 or something.
 
Toxi said:
Snoke looks awful. I don't understand why he had to be CGI, he's just a big bald guy with a scar. He looks like something from the Hobbit movies.
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Could be my biggest complaint. I hate these sorts of CG abominations in today's movies and I was disappointed that TFA fell victim in this area. Basically kills my interest in Snoke as a villain, unfortunately. I hate how he looked and how he was presented.

They got SO MUCH right in this movie and Snoke took it from an A- to a B+ for me.

I couldn't even get through The Hobbit. I don't want any of that shit in my Star Wars movie.
 
Angry Grimace said:
I don't even get how that was supposed to make sense anyways, there's a shitload of force sensitives in the Galaxy from what I saw in the prequels. Why didn't Obi-Wan go look for them instead of just hanging his hat entirely on "hopefully Luke isn't a douche."
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The 'in-canon' explanation is that once the empire took over, they were able to detect and nullify the force sensitives of the galaxy without jedi interference.

The movie reason is probably because without a teacher you can be force sensitive, but not really be any sort of use/threat, just like Rey and Luke were.
 
I read a good theory on VOX that Rey could still be the daughter of Han and Leia if there used some sort of "mind-wiping" kind of thing....I mean, sure we can make stuff up as we go along.

Its Boba Fetts Daughter!

Its the emperors daughter!

Its Chew's daughter!

(am I doing this right?)

I like her being Luke's Daughter...as it makes the scene of her holding out the lightsaber to Luke much more impactful. Further, it can mirror as Vader and Luke's darker relationship...Luke and Rey's relationship would be the counter to that.

Or,

Just as plausible...she is the long lost daughter of Han and Leia (who conveniently had their memory erased so they wouldn't know they had a daughter). This would make the fight against brother and sister more impactful...and further be a "choice."

(I don't like the memory erase thing as it is a weak plot device, but it sets up an interesting fight).

Finn, is the Han Solo character...and the scene in which Finn and Han are "formulating a plan" and making jokes almost demonstrates the passing of the torch. "I don't have a plan...rougish type character."

There is just no way she isn't a Skywalker.
 
FloatOn said:
honestly Rey being Luke's daughter is problematic for a few reasons:

1) you have to explain the Mother (where she came from, who she is, etc)
2) you have to explain why Luke of all people would abandon her (he wouldn't do this since it happened to him)
3) you have to explain why Luke would abandon the whole Jedi celibacy thing

I kind of like her just being a gifted random person that maybe has been at trained at the Jedi temple with Luke and was the sole survivor.
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Mara Fucking Jade. There's still a chance for her cannon counterpart to show up lol.
 
LegendofLex said:
- Young orphaned Force user lives on desert planet
- Rebel fighter snatches up top-secret data and attempts to escape Imperial pursuit
- Droid is entrusted with the data and sent to wander desert planet
- Young orphaned Force user finds and befriends droid
- Force user and droid meet up with someone who professes to be able to take them to Rebel base
- They are forced to escape desert planet in Millennium Falcon to avoid Imperial pursuit
- Evil empire is building a planet-destroying base
- The heroes hang out in a sleazy bar
- Force user receives Skywalker lightsaber
- Force user initially recoils from accepting destiny
- Force sensitive girl kidnapped by Dark Side user and brought to planet-destroying base
- Young hotshot enlists Han Solo and Chewbacca to rescue girl from planet-destroying base, makes up plan as he goes
- Rebels use intel delivered by young hotshot to plan attack on planet-destroying base
- Father/mentor figure of Dark Side user confronts and sacrifices himself to Dark Side user
- Rebel X-wings fly down fortified trench to assault weak point of planet-destroying base
- Force user trusts the Force and manages to thwart Dark Side user
- Dark Side user leaves the battle crippled
- Next step for Force user is to travel to legendary Jedi Master

I say all this as someone who felt the new film managed to stand on its own even despite all the blatant references. They just felt like a familiar backdrop that gave the new characters a safe entry point into the story we all know.



What makes it even worse is that there's a very visible trail on both chunks of the map, so it's not like they even would have had to narrow down where exactly to go/look.
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Lots of reaching here. Are there some similarities, yes.

But stuff like "Force user trusts the Force and manages to thwart Dark Side user"... How could that NOT happen in a Star Wars movie?

Also, Han did not sacrifice himself to Ren. He genuinely was trying to get him back. We as the audience had more info than Han and knew that the thing Han could help with was to die and thus end his struggling with the light side.
 
Ishida said:
I don't mean the wire hanging stuff. I mean the beginning of the duel inside the control center.
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That's what I meant by twirling

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Solo said:
He was pretty bad and felt incredibly out of place and jarring. The Hobbit reference is apt - he looked like something out of those films. Was the only thing in TFA that took me out of the film.
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I feel like they'll do conventional make-up Andy Serkis for him in the next film.


Sure, it's kind of a retcon, but it's not like they haven't done it before (Palpatine).
 
Maybe, in terms of exposition, Vader could no longer do the Wushu style fighting due to his forced (no pun) amputation at the hands (lol again no pun) of Kenobi. And, maybe Yoda after being defeated by Sheev, realised how far the Order had fallen, including lightsaber mastery, and therefore trained Luke in a back to basics kind of way.?!?
 
Ishida said:
lol no. It felt like a combination between the final duel in Episode VI, and the final duel in Episode III.
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I don't see how it's like III. In III it was about the scale of the set piece and moments like the two force pushing each other sending them flying across the room. In TFA it'sjust two people running through the snow.
 
Ragnorok64 said:
If one really wants to play mental gymnastics with the PT's saber fights, you could reason that at the time of the Republic the primary threat against Jedi peacekeepers was blaster fire from multiple angles. So they trained primarily in lightsaber forms that emphasized deflection meaning they had very active sword styles.

By the time of the OT the biggest threat to a saber user is another saber user so they used more direct attacks with thrusts and parries.

That sounds plausible right..?
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You can handwave it anyway you want, really. The actual answer is Lucas wanted crazy movie magic, despite the fact that it made sense for Yoda to do it and nobody else (since he's tiny and how else would he hit you).
 
Solo said:
He was pretty bad and felt incredibly out of place and jarring. The Hobbit reference is apt - he looked like something out of those films. Was the only thing in TFA that took me out of the film.
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Has no one realized that most of the characters Serkis does motion cap for look the same? I think it's because they model it after his face.
 
timewyrm said:
Maybe, in terms of exposition, Vader could no longer do the Wushu style fighting due to his forced (no pun) amputation at the hands (lol again no pun) of Kenobi. And, maybe Yoda after being defeated by Sheev, realised how far the Order had fallen, including lightsaber mastery, and therefore trained Luke in a back to basics kind of way.?!?
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Or maybe people were never intended to move in that sort of way in Star Wars.
 
timewyrm said:
Maybe, in terms of exposition, Vader could no longer do the Wushu style fighting due to his forced (no pun) amputation at the hands (lol again no pun) of Kenobi. And, maybe Yoda after being defeated by Sheev, realised how far the Order had fallen, including lightsaber mastery, and therefore trained Luke in a back to basics kind of way.?!?
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No. There's no rationale.
Lucas just liked that stupid flipping shit. I mean look at Dookus pointless ledge flip. Lucas gets off on it. He's 13.
 
j-wood said:
Has no one realized that most of the characters Serkis does motion cap for look the same? I think it's because they model it after his face.
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Caesar from Planet of the Apes looks fantastic.

I think it's not just that Snoke is CGI, it's that he's CGI and designed very blandly in a way that makes me wonder why the hell he's CGI.
 
MMarston said:
I feel like they'll do conventional make-up Andy Serkis for him in the next film.


Sure, it's kind of a retcon, but it's not like they haven't done it before (Palpatine).
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It's possible they could do conventional makeup. He's really nothing more than a hologram in this, but based on Snoke's description he is supposed to be 7 feet tall. Don't know who they pull that off with conventional makeup.
 
FloatOn said:
honestly Rey being Luke's daughter is problematic for a few reasons:

1) you have to explain the Mother (where she came from, who she is, etc)
2) you have to explain why Luke of all people would abandon her (he wouldn't do this since it happened to him)
3) you have to explain why Luke would abandon the whole Jedi celibacy thing

I kind of like her just being a gifted random person that maybe has been at trained at the Jedi temple with Luke and was the sole survivor.
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For 3, I hope Luke's new Jedi order doesn't follow every single rule of the old. I think it would be cooler if he realize some of the faults that the old Jedi order had and tried to improve upon it.
 
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