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[Gleethor]

Or maybe people were never intended to move in that sort of way in Star Wars.

If you wanna talk "intention" you can always ask George Lucas.

 

[nicoga3000]

All this talk about lightsaber duels...I'm happy the fights weren't as clean or flashy. It really showed their inexperience with handling the weapons in real combat. At least that was my takeaway.

 

[LegendofLex]

But stuff like "Force user trusts the Force and manages to thwart Dark Side user"... How could that NOT happen in a Star Wars movie?

The only other time "trust the Force" was an actual plot element that helped the hero win was in Episode IV when Luke survived the trench run and blew up the Death Star.

Luke loses in V, wins by doing nothing in VI, and when Obi-Wan wins in I & III it's through fortuitous combat advantages vs. "trusting the Force."

Also, Han did not sacrifice himself to Ren. He genuinely was trying to get him back. We as the audience had more info than Han and knew that the thing Han could help with was to die and thus end his struggling with the light side.

These are not mutually exclusive concepts.

He genuinely hoped his appeal would succeed, but the fact that he approached his son unarmed meant he had accepted what would happen if it didn't. When Kylo hands him the saber, he's about to take it, but once it's clear his son isn't actually giving it to him, he doesn't struggle.

It's very much like Luke's move in VI, where he's trying to win over his father by refusing to fight him, regardless of the cost to himself.

 

[JaseMath]

He's not that bad.

He's pretty damn bad. Maz looked prequel-ish bad too.

 

[Sou Da]

If you wanna talk "intention" you can always ask George Lucas.

I can't tell if this sarcasm or not. Lucas is the type of guy to try and retcon actual history if it sounds better to him.

 

[Ishida]

All this talk about lightsaber duels...I'm happy the fights weren't as clean or flashy. It really showed their inexperience with handling the weapons in real combat. At least that was my takeaway.

Yeah, I absolutely loved that.

 

[KoruptData]

Also Figuarts.

Yes! Check the Star Wars Merch thread for some pics of these guys.

 

[NYR]

Luke being a 60-year-old virgin is lame. More than knowing Rey is his daughter, I just want to make sure he was getting some.

I'd throw the Jedi Steps theme in there as well.

I thought Jedi can't get married? So he would be like a priest.

 

[Solo]

I hope they don't shat up the sequels with rainbow lightsabers. Keep them blue and red. No need for fucking yellow and purple. Green is allowed as an exception, but only for Luke.

 

[Davey Cakes]

Caesar from Planet of the Apes looks fantastic.

I think it's not just that Snoke is CGI, it's that he's CGI and designed very blandly in a way that makes me wonder why the hell he's CGI.

It's baffling. Utterly baffling.

Why couldn't he just be a guy in makeup and prosthetics like most of the other WAY MORE CONVINCING alien species in the movie?

 

[ProudCanuck]

All this talk about lightsaber duels...I'm happy the fights weren't as clean or flashy. It really showed their inexperience with handling the weapons in real combat. At least that was my takeaway.

the biggest plus over prequels is no one was doing flipping and dancing like superman in duels. there was a sense of weight in the fights and everyone was not playing crouching tiger hidden dragon with light sabers

 

[Trigonometrize.]

How about we critique the actual movie rather than a gif, that bit is like half a second on loop

They're talking about the saga's lightsaber fights, and then he was clarifying the specific element of the lightsaber fight he referenced. What's the problem?

 

[Toxi]

He's pretty damn bad. Maz looked prequel-ish bad too.

I thought Maz looked pretty good, and at least her being CGI is understandable when she's a tiny alien who constantly interacts with the characters.

Snoke seriously looks like one of the goblins or orks from the Hobbit.

It's baffling. Utterly baffling.

Why couldn't he just be a guy in makeup and prosthetics like most of the other WAY MORE CONVINCING alien species in the movie?

Or at least designed in a way so that he's not just a bald dude with a scar.

Like if Snoke looked like Smaug or Caesar, at least him being CGI would be understandable. But he's literally just a big bald dude.

 

[Glass]

How about we critique the actual movie rather than a gif, that bit is like half a second on loop

Either way it doesn't come out good.

 

[timewyrm]

I hope they don't shat up the sequels with rainbow lightsabers. Keep them blue and red. No need for fucking yellow and purple. Green is allowed as an exception, but only for Luke.

I really want to see white lightsabres

Spoiler

maybe Ahsoka is in VIII !!!

 

[Angry Grimace]

Also Finn not having any force powers is the weirdest bait and switch ever. It wouldn't have mattered, I just expected it from all the ad copy showing him with lightsabers and him actually having a freakin' lightsaber duel in it.

I wasn't even sure he didn't by the end since he like escaped from his training where nobody else did, Kylo Ren seemed weirded out by him and they were talking about the awakening in the force right after talking about his defection.

 

[JaseMath]

All this talk about lightsaber duels...I'm happy the fights weren't as clean or flashy. It really showed their inexperience with handling the weapons in real combat. At least that was my takeaway.

Specifically the part where Kylo does an overhead strike to Finn and puts him on his ass. The force of that motion...I was like, "Hell yes."

 

[TheOctodad]

Black Series 6'
Elite Series at Disney Store 7'
Hot Toy 1/6 scale about 12-13 inches

$25
$25-30
$230

I wish there was a happy medium in here. I'd gladly buy a $70 nice action figure. $230 is just insane though.

 

[LAUGHTREY]

How about we critique the actual movie rather than a gif, that bit is like half a second on loop

Ok, why didn't Yoda and Obi-wan take care of the emperor and THEN go after anakin? Why split up? Was there some sort of time limit that they needed to kill anakin quickly? If anything they needed to stop Palpatine first and quickly.

 

[Icyflamez96]

He's pretty damn bad. Maz looked prequel-ish bad too.

I think Maz was fine.

 

[-griffy-]

How about we critique the actual movie rather than a gif, that bit is like half a second on loop

It's dumb in the actual moment too. That gif just makes it funnier.

 

[90sRobots]

How about we critique the actual movie rather than a gif, that bit is like half a second on loop

Hey maybe it's like that half second is emblematic of the highly-choreographed saber fights of the prequels or something

 

[Jarmel]

Also Finn not having any force powers is the weirdest bait and switch ever. It wouldn't have mattered, I just expected it from all the ad copy showing him with lightsabers and him actually having a freakin' lightsaber duel in it.

I wasn't even sure he didn't by the end since he like escaped from his training where nobody else did, Kylo Ren seemed weirded out by him and they were talking about the awakening in the force right after talking about his defection.

They left it open enough that Johnson could make Finn Force Sensitive and it wouldn't be a stretch.

 

[Dice]

Either Williams or the sound director really just flatlined on this film. The X-Wing and Rey's theme are like the only two memorable tracks in the entire OST. He needs to step his game up for VIII.

At least it wasn't Zimmer.

 

[shortsFortallPeople]

How about we critique the actual movie rather than a gif, that bit is like half a second on loop

the prequels suffered from making everyone the Jedis faced chumps. watch them again and count the amount of times they do three twirls when facing a group of enemies followed by a force push.

coincidentally enough, it's a issue a lot of Star Wars' video games suffer from, where having you play the jedi the whole game makes it difficult to make anything they do amazing and not seem OP.

I don't know what the answer to that problem in the prequels outside of making the use of lightsabers much more of a last resort measure.

 

[Davey Cakes]

I thought Maz looked pretty good, and at least her being CGI is understandable when she's a tiny alien who constantly interacts with the characters.

Snoke seriously looks like one of the goblins or orks from the Hobbit.

I didn't like Maz much either, I admit. She was acceptable.

I just have this thing against full-CGI characters. They look unnatural even when done well.

For a movie filled to the brim with lively practical effects and designs, it was just weird that they went with Snoke as he appears in the film.

 

[RyanW]

I can understand the problems with Snoke's CGI but I thought Maz looked pretty good

 

[El Topo]

Random thought: Would be a nice touch if Finn starts to work with/for Maz.

 

[MMarston]

If we're gonna have Finn outdo Rey or Kylo by the end of the trilogy, I kinda don't want him to have Force powers.

Makes his triumph all the more sweeter.

 

[Mr Cola]

Given the whole notion for JJ taking on this whole project was "Who is Luke Skywalker" and given how much he has been through (Just what we know of) I do not think it will be as simple as "Luke will train her"

I think his arc will be alot darker.

 

[Ether_Snake]

They could have really just have Finn and Han get the rest of the map on Starkiller, considering Ben says himself that they have it. Kind of weird to have R2 be the one who does really.

Random thought: Would be a nice touch if Finn was force sensitive and starts to work with/for Maz.

Almost certain Finn and Maz will have more interactions with one another.

 

[ColdDeckEd]

honestly Rey being Luke's daughter is problematic for a few reasons:

1) you have to explain the Mother (where she came from, who she is, etc)
2) you have to explain why Luke of all people would abandon her (he wouldn't do this since it happened to him)
3) you have to explain why Luke would abandon the whole Jedi celibacy thing

I kind of like her just being a gifted random person that maybe has been at trained at the Jedi temple with Luke and was the sole survivor.

1) seems like luke is standing at a grave at the end. Could be reys moms. Also the OT hand all but 3 lines talking about padme so dont think explaining her mother will be that difficult.
2) why wouldnt he abandon her? Hes a marked man perhaps the most sought after man in the galaxy. You think he wants to expose his young child to that kind of danger? The fact that it happened to him and he turned out to be one of the greatest jedi masters, perhaps he thinks the experience will help rey in a similar fashion.
3) seems like luke was guilt stricken at the end. Perhaps he feels because he gave in to those desires everything that happened was his fault? Maybe bens turn was a direct result of lukes abandonment of celibacy?

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

Choreographed fights are fine. This movie is the bomb and it's basically all dancing.

But within the context of what the fight is about, them twirling lightsabers like this looked fucking stupid:

 

[Solo]

I thought every creature in the film, be they a costume, prosthetic, CGI, or some combination thereof was incredible aside from Snoke (I thought Maz was great). Crappy design, even worse CGI.

 

[Cheebo]

If we're gonna have Finn outdo Rey or Kylo by the end of the trilogy, I kinda don't want him to have Force powers.

Makes his triumph all the more sweeter.

He won't outdo Rey. It's Rey's story. She is the lead.

 

[Angry Grimace]

They left it open enough that Johnson could make Finn Force Sensitive and it wouldn't be a stretch.

I just felt like the extent that Force Powers were used, not only in the series in general, but completely self-contained in TFA would make it implausible that Finn could take Kylo Ren on in lightsaber combat for any amount of time at all if Finn had no ability to use the force's precognition ability.

He won't outdo Rey. It's Rey's story. She is the lead.

I think they gave them both very much equal billing.

 

[Lights and Waves]

Apparently Maz was only CGI because they didn't have enough time to construct a puppet.

 

[Gleethor]

Ok, why didn't Yoda and Obi-wan take care of the emperor and THEN go after anakin? Why split up? Was there some sort of time limit that they needed to kill anakin quickly? If anything they needed to stop Palpatine first and quickly.

Why didn't the Empire carpet bomb the rebel base on Hoth with Tie Bombers instead of sending slow ass AT-ATs? Because drama.

So much of Star Wars doesn't hold up if you try to "but why didn't they..." it. Movies in general, actually.

 

[nicoga3000]

Specifically the part where Kylo does an overhead strike to Finn and puts him on his ass. The force of that motion...I was like, "Hell yes."

Or when Rey was doing those heavy stab motions. It was just really refreshing.

Oh and that Stormtrooper with the shock baton thing - I want to see more of that shit in the future movies. Going to make lightsaber duels much more interesting with the opposition.

 

[Maedhros]

Are the lightsaber fights good or not?

If they are bad, I'll wait for bluray to watch this.

 

[Blade30]

That's what I meant by twirling

This reminds me of this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw

Are the lightsaber fights good or not?

If they are bad, I'll wait for bluray to watch this.

They are great, nothing like the prequels.

 

[GhaleonEB]

- Young orphaned Force user lives on desert planet
- Rebel fighter snatches up top-secret data and attempts to escape Imperial pursuit
- Droid is entrusted with the data and sent to wander desert planet
- Young orphaned Force user finds and befriends droid
- Force user and droid meet up with someone who professes to be able to take them to Rebel base
- They are forced to escape desert planet in Millennium Falcon to avoid Imperial pursuit
- Evil empire is building a planet-destroying base
- The heroes hang out in a sleazy bar
- Force user receives Skywalker lightsaber
- Force user initially recoils from accepting destiny
- Force sensitive girl kidnapped by Dark Side user and brought to planet-destroying base
- Young hotshot enlists Han Solo and Chewbacca to rescue girl from planet-destroying base, makes up plan as he goes
- Rebels use intel delivered by young hotshot to plan attack on planet-destroying base
- Father/mentor figure of Dark Side user confronts and sacrifices himself to Dark Side user
- Rebel X-wings fly down fortified trench to assault weak point of planet-destroying base
- Force user trusts the Force and manages to thwart Dark Side user
- Dark Side user leaves the battle crippled
- Next step for Force user is to travel to legendary Jedi Master

A lot of these are stretches ("Force user and droid meet up with someone who professes to be able to take them to Rebel base" is not a parallel) or are just plain wrong (Han didn't sacrifice himself, Vader didn't leave the ending battle wounded, Luke didn't recoil from his destiny like Daisy does - he starts training on the Falcon asap).

There are clearly parallels but it's plainly not a remake.

 

[KoruptData]

I wish there was a happy medium in here. I'd gladly buy a $70 nice action figure. $230 is just insane though.

Yeah, Black Series ain't bad. Here is mine. But I also have the Hot Toy preordered.

 

[MMarston]

He won't outdo Rey. It's Rey's story. She is the lead.

Well yeah, that's what I mainly want and I'm gonna gladly follow that journey.


I'm just saying if we shift gears to Finn somehow, it'd be interesting to have a non-force user hero for once.

 

[Ishida]

Why didn't the Empire carpet bomb the rebel base on Hoth with Tie Bombers instead of sending slow ass AT-ATs? Because drama.

So much of Star Wars doesn't hold up if you try to "but why didn't they..." it. Movies in general, actually.

Or nuke them from Orbit using a Star Destroyer.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Are the lightsaber fights good or not?

If they are bad, I'll wait for bluray to watch this.

They hang with the best in the series

 

[Real Hero]

I keeping thinking how fucking cool Chewbacca's reaction to Han's death was. When he shot Kylo with his Crossbow and went on his rampage I think that was the most exciting part of the movie.

 

[Dice]

I want to hear force ghost Han nagging Leia.

"Bring him back" you said. "He still has light in him" you said.

 

[Gorillaz]

Also Finn not having any force powers is the weirdest bait and switch ever. It wouldn't have mattered, I just expected it from all the ad copy showing him with lightsabers and him actually having a freakin' lightsaber duel in it.

I wasn't even sure he didn't by the end since he like escaped from his training where nobody else did, Kylo Ren seemed weirded out by him and they were talking about the awakening in the force right after talking about his defection.

I definitely saw a bait and switch coming in terms marketing but I at least thought he would have had it tho

 

[Gleethor]

Are the lightsaber fights good or not?

If they are bad, I'll wait for bluray to watch this.

They're pretty good but thats a weird deciding factor honestly. Even if the film had 0 lightsaber fights it'd still be damn good.