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[Brakke]

Quick Question that I was wondering on the re-watch of ROTJ.

The moment where Luke breaks and decides to kill Palpatine Vader stops him. Now Palpatine obviously expected it thinking Vader did it out of a sense of loyalty to him but...

If killing Palpatine in a rage would have started Luke on a path down the darkside then Vader was likely saving him even then right?

Gotta be, right? Before then, Vader had been actively trying to recruit Luke to the Dark Side. He even proposed the two of them might overthrow the Emperor together. Maybe when he saw Luke's rage he realized that wasn't what he wanted for him. The other possibility is that he knew Luke wouldn't have landed that blow. If he hadn't intervened, the Emperor would've just lightning-fried him right there?

I don't know how to read it except as Vader protecting Luke in some way.

 

[Boke1879]

So,



As I understood it...


...Rey went from a peaseant to a Master jedi in a couple of hours.




I felt the movie was made to a much much younger generation than mine (I'm 30ish)

She is hardly a master Jedi.

 

[jelly]

Sheev sounds much worse to me.

His name is actually Steve.

 

[MMarston]

So,



As I understood it...


...Rey went from a peaseant to a Master jedi in a couple of hours.

Not really.


She's got the skills, but I doubt she has the discipline.

 

[SinShep]

Prequels couldn't even do this.

This one looks like it hurt. This one looks like they're trying to kill each other. There's actually a meaningful sense of danger here.

As near impossible at it is currently, if we get this kind of fighting by IX it's gonna be great.

 

[Garlador]

My problem with prequel fights... Way too much spinning.

It was like a ballet interpretation of Star Wars.

... Or Star Wars kid.

(ah, there we go. Welcome back my dear old meme. How I've missed you).

The new fights are a wonderful balance of being pretty flashy, but also looking less choreographed and more visceral and blunt.

I think it's the perfect balance (even if I still really like the Darth Maul fight).

 

[Anton Sugar]

Nah. Supreme Leader Snoke sounded fine in context of the film. Count Dooku doesn't ever not sound (or look, in the opening crawl) dumb as hell.

Count Dooku will forever be the worst because it is one vowel replacement from Count Shit.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

I'll just say ROTS has a nicer ending shot than TFA.

 

[Randam]

I hope we do. I want to see him kicking all kinds of ass.

I realy don't.
let him use the force, yes, but no sword fighting.
at least not like they did in the prequels.

Vader must have been close to 60 when he fought Luke.

wasn't annakin pretty young in episode 3 and luke also in the OT?

 

[Angelus Errare]

They should just establish that the overuse of flair/florish when wielding the lightsaber is something that Padawans tend to do and as they grow they stop with the florish. They can show this in practice by having Rey or Padawan Finn doing all kinds of filps and shit while Luke uses very little movement and easily knocks them around. Basically I just want them to stop having supposed masters looking like 60 year old hipsters.

 

[Ishida]

Nah. Supreme Leader Snoke sounded fine in context of the film. Count Dooku doesn't ever not sound (or look, in the opening crawl) dumb as hell.

I disagree. Supreme Leader Snoke is something that sounds straight out of a parody.

I realy don't.
let him use the force, yes, but no sword fighting.
at least not like they did in the prequels.

I want to see both. Just like Yoda and Palpatine fought using both The Force and lightsabers. They looked like complete warriors of The Force.

 

[2 Slice Toaster]

George said that Yoda wouldn't have used a lightsaber back when he was making the OT. I assume he thought the same of Palpatine.

Back then he was a puppet. Limited options might have shaped that original narrative?

 

[Jacksinthe]

Maybe, in terms of exposition, Vader could no longer do the Wushu style fighting due to his forced (no pun) amputation at the hands (lol again no pun) of Kenobi. And, maybe Yoda after being defeated by Sheev, realised how far the Order had fallen, including lightsaber mastery, and therefore trained Luke in a back to basics kind of way.?!?

Here's my theory on the fight choreography.

Decades if time between films.

We went from a more fencing style to wild swingy twirly get-yourself-killed-by-anyone-doing-that-stupid-shit style of swordfighting to "I'll fucking murder you" with every swing.

OT was more refined, TFA was more primal and PT was just saturday morning cartoons.

 

[cackhyena]

Count Dooku will forever be the worst because it is one vowel replacement from Count Shit.

Yuuuup

 

[JB1981]

Kylo was retrieved by Snoke to complete his training. He'll be back in some form. I think he'll be the redemption story of the ST.

I sure hope not. You don't come back from what he did. That shit is unforgivable.

 

[Ophelion]

So,



As I understood it...


...Rey went from a peaseant to a Master jedi in a couple of hours.




I felt the movie was made to a much much younger generation than mine (I'm 30ish)

Those damn kids with their cell phones and mastering the mysteries of the force in a day or two. When I was a kid, it took a whole trilogy to become a Jedi. It was hard! You had to trudge through Hoth and Degobah uphill both ways. And we liked it!

 

[Not Spaceghost]

Too bad that shot made no freaking sense in the movie.

Beautiful shot, shouldve been cut.

Yeah wasn't it shown during the attack on maz's palace which happens in broad day light?
I felt it was a bit misplaced, but it really is a great shot.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

I'll just say ROTS has a nicer ending shot than TFA.

For sure, despite all the missteps in the PT that closing shot is ridiculously powerful, and beautiful. TFA is good though.

 

[Whompa02]

Snoke is the absolute worst out of Sheev, Dooku and Snoke.

Disagree. There's jar jar worse names out there in the Star Wars universe.

 

[-griffy-]

Count Dooku will forever be the worst because it is one vowel replacement from Count Shit.

Exactly. Every time you say or read it you are on the precipice of saying "dookie." Every time I hear or see it I think of dookie. Every single time.

 

[Boke1879]

Gotta be, right? Before then, Vader had been actively trying to recruit Luke to the Dark Side. He even proposed the two of them might overthrow the Emperor together. Maybe when he saw Luke's rage he realized that wasn't what he wanted for him. The other possibility is that he knew Luke wouldn't have landed that blow. If he hadn't intervened, the Emperor would've just lightning-fried him right there?

I don't know how to read it except as Vader protecting Luke in some way.

I think it's a mix of both. I think Vader still had some loyalty to the Emperor, but yes I do think he was protecting Luke in a way as well. He was still struggling on the inside.

 

[Solo]

I sure hope not. You don't come back from what he did. That shit is unforgivable.

It's not like Darth Vader murdered a bunch of children or anything. I think one of the cornerstones of SW is that literally no one is beyond saving.

 

[Gleethor]

Prequels couldn't even do this.

This one looks like it hurt. This one looks like they're trying to kill each other. There's actually a meaningful sense of danger here.

My god can you imagine the amount of bitching if a new star wars movie had a ramp up slow motion action shot like that?

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

Yeah wasn't it shown during the attack on maz's palace which happens in broad day light?
I felt it was a bit misplaced, but it really is a great shot.

That it was; just watched it again last night and it makes no sense at all

 

[Sesuadra]

So,



As I understood it...


...Rey went from a peaseant to a Master jedi in a couple of hours.




I felt the movie was made to a much much younger generation than mine (I'm 30ish)

like..no?

 

[JetBlackPanda]

man.. this film.. I can't get it out of my mind. I saw it yesterday and im going again today in about 3 hours.

I haven't let my mind wander so much on a film since, well since Star Wars..

everyone at work is talking about it, people that werent huge fans are now fully invested in this universe.

great job by Disney.

 

[JaseMath]

She is hardly a master Jedi.

I had a problem with her using force commands when (to our knowledge) there was no precedent for her to know how. I get that the interrogation scene with Kylo gave her some insight into the possibility, but for her to off and use straight-up force commands felt...well, forced.

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

As near impossible at it is currently, if we get this kind of fighting by IX it's gonna be great.

This is essentially a comic book sequence. I wouldn't expect it in a live action movie, nor would I want to.

 

[Arkeband]

So,



As I understood it...


...Rey went from a peaseant to a Master jedi in a couple of hours.




I felt the movie was made to a much much younger generation than mine (I'm 30ish)

If you were paying attention, she had a flashback where it showed Luke dumping her off on a desert planet, so she was probably born even more gifted than either he or Anakin were. And he and Anakin were incredibly force sensitive. Anakin self-taught himself podracing as a little kid, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon were like 'wtf'. She is also missing all of her memories since she thinks Luke is a myth, except at the end where she seems to understand and they stare at each other, and he looks grief-stricken.

She's also far from a master Jedi, her lightsaber skills were crap, she spent 80% of the fight running away from Kylo Ren and then after he's had tons of blood loss and tries to convince her to join him, she gets in a few lucky strikes.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

I don't really think so. Narratively at that point in the confrontation Vader is still firmly on team Dark Side. Also, why not just kill the Emperor himself then and there?

Who Vader? They keep goading him to strike at the emperor and let his emotions take him over to the dark side. He knows he won't fight his father so the deflection by Vader works to re-direct his anger to him but Palpatine needs Luke to kill his father in order to firmly push him to the dark side. I feel like killing Palpatine would have started him on that path though maybe not with as much finality as with Vader. Thus Vader stops him to save his son..



Maybe





I would like to think so.

 

[Junior Asparagus]

Mos Eisley seemed to suggest there weren't many human females on Tatooine. The only one shown was his aunt...which, I guess fits Luke's taste in women throughout the trilogy. So, who knows.

That isn't true. There were those twins in the cantina.

Oh wait, this Wiki says they're "near-human". http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tonnika_sisters

 

[Brakke]

They should just establish that the overuse of flair/florish when wielding the lightsaber is something that Padawans tend to do and as they grow they stop with the florish. They can show this in practice by having Rey or Padawan Finn doing all kinds of filps and shit while Luke uses very little movement and easily knocks them around. Basically I just want them to stop having supposed masters looking like 60 year old hipsters.

Harry Potter and the War in the Stars.

"bangs and smoke were more often the marks of ineptitude than experience"

 

[More_Badass]

All this "Yoda and Palpatine are above using lightsabers" is just fan-concocted bullshit that isn't supported at all in the OT. Is it because they're old? Obi-Wan is in his 60s in A New Hope and nobody gave him shit about using a sword. The old martial arts master who is the most powerful in his order is pretty much a trope in action films.

Palpatine had a lot of disdain for the lightsaber. "A Jedi's weapon" made it sound like it's not something he used, since he had the power of the Dark Side (lightning, etc.)

 

[Ishida]

My god can you imagine the amount of bitching if a new star wars movie had a ramp up slow motion action shot like that?

It would be DELICIOUS.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Back then he was a puppet. Limited options might have shaped that original narrative?

If that was the case, he probably wouldn't have explicitly said Yoda wouldn't have used one. I think Lucas just thought it would be cool later on.

 

[Pandy]

Snoke is the absolute worst out of Sheev, Dooku and Snoke.

I concur. My first thought was Snape from Harry Potter, aided no doubt by seeing sodding Voldemort.

 

[DragonSworne]

I had a problem with her using force commands when (to our knowledge) there was no precedent to know how.

She knew of the legends and she saw into Ren's mind. Even without that, I'm pretty sure she knew that Jedi's could control people's minds, it's common knowledge throughout the galaxy.

 

[-griffy-]

I had a problem with her using force commands when (to our knowledge) there was no precedent to know how.

She's clearly powerful in the force. Kylo going into her mind, and her fighting back and going into his, was a jacking into the Matrix "I know kung fu" moment, which uncorked her potential. That she so quickly starts picking up and being able to use her powers is just more evidence of how powerful in the force she really is.

 

[Boke1879]

I disagree. Supreme Leader Snoke is something that sounds straight out of a parody.



I want to see both. Just like Yoda and Palpatine fought using both The Force and lightsabers. They looked like complete warriors of The Force.

I don't mind the name Snoke, but I get it being a weird ass name. But I'd be pressed to actually believe that's his real name.

Everyone knows who he is. It's no secret. So something tells me his real name hasn't been revealed.

 

[JB1981]

It's not like Darth Vader murdered a bunch of children or anything. I think one of the cornerstones of SW is that literally no one is beyond saving.

That's prequel garbage. Kylo crossed the rubicon after killing his own father. Fuck that asshole, don't want to see his character redeemed in any way you

 

[opoth]

So,



As I understood it...


...Rey went from a peaseant to a Master jedi in a couple of hours.




I felt the movie was made to a much much younger generation than mine (I'm 30ish)

Kind of like going from a peasant to the hero of the Rebel Alliance in about the same amount of time.

I'm 37 and this is the best Star Wars since Empire, and it's not even close.

 

[Elitist1945]

Going to another showing tonight, and then I have tickets for a showing on Saturday. Can't wait!

 

[Trigonometrize.]

I'll just say ROTS has a nicer ending shot than TFA.

It's the aunt and uncle holding baby Luke at the Tatoonie sunset, right? It's fine, but it's really just a call back to the scene with teen Luke looking at the sunset in ANH. I would've liked TFA if it wasn't an awkward helicopter pan.

 

[Jarmel]

It's not like Darth Vader murdered a bunch of children or anything. I think one of the cornerstones of SW is that literally no one is beyond saving.

Palpatine got the short end of the stick. Just think he could have been a Force Ghost too.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

I really hope that Snoke is a projection and doesn't actually look like that.

 

[Ishida]

I don't mind the name Snoke, but I get it being a weird ass name. But I'd be pressed to actually believe that's his real name.

Everyone knows who he is. It's no secret. So something tells me his real name hasn't been revealed.

I hope so. I'm really eager to know who that guy is.

 

[timewyrm]

OT was more refined, and PT was just saturday morning cartoons.

So Flash Gordon, to the Power Rangers.

 

[Kinsei]

That's prequel garbage. Kylo crossed the rubicon after killing his own father. Fuck that asshole, don't want to see his character redeemed in any way you

Vader was complacent in the destruction of Alderaan. That's not prequel garbage.

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

It's not like Darth Vader murdered a bunch of children or anything. I think one of the cornerstones of SW is that literally no one is beyond saving.

They weren't children. They were younglings.

 

[Solo]

That's prequel garbage. Kylo crossed the rubicon after killing his own father. Fuck that asshole, don't want to see his character redeemed in any way you

Even ignoring the prequels, Vader was a mass murderer and party to genocide.