WadiumArcadium
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Plagueis trying to create life and sort of succeeding is what she meant by that.
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Plagueis trying to create life and sort of succeeding is what she meant by that.
Interfectum
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What's hilarious is JJ went out of his way to show how powerful the bowcaster was and Kylo was bleeding all over the place and pounding his stomach. How much more obvious does he have to be?
Kylo: "I'm fighting at a weakened state thanks to absorbing a bowcast blast to the stomach after killing my father. Please forgive my skills, audience, if they aren't up to par with your expectations. Episode VIII I'll go into beast mode. Thanks!"
Yes, he was one of the pirates that got killed by the monster alien on the Millenium Falcon.
Omegasquash
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They basically spell that out a few minutes in, when Lors tells him that he knows who he was before he took on the name Kylo Ren.
The second that "Knights of Ren" is mentioned, it's just putting two and two together.
DragonSworne
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Then we wouldn't need 2 more movies. They could have just ended it here.
FriendlyGoat
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The Dark Side struggle is, like, THE struggle though? Why would they resolve that in the first film? She gets her first taste, but she has yet to find out who or what she's really made of.
So that he didn't kill Finn and Rey and we actually got a decent fight with tension?
This is like asking why the Terminator had to get its legs blown off at the end of the first movie.
I like the idea better than her being a child from the OG cast.
She mirrors Anakin in a lot of ways. We see she is very strong with the force, she became a quick adept pilot like Anakin with podracing/flying too. Comparable upbringings.
A second coming of forcd Jesus would be an interesting route to take.
Obviously snoke and kylo Ren are bringing imbalance to the force again.
BruceLeeRoy
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I love the idea that because his power is tied directly to his rage he keeps hitting the wound to push away the fatigue and re-ignite his hate
So Rey wouldnt have died in the confrontation. Ta Da!
EDIT: ALSO CHEWIE DID SOMETHING FOR THE DEATH OF HIS BEST FRIEND
Interesting. I took it that they were mourning the death of a person they both cared about.
But in the force vision/flashback, we see Kylo and presumably the other Knights of Ren in the rain surrounded by bodies, which is presumably the massacre of Luke's Jedi trainees. So I'd deduce that he betrayed Luke by joining the Knights of Ren and slaughtering everyone with their help.
Scientist Supreme!
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He looked pretty fine to me during the fight until Rey closed her eyes.
Also, if the bowcaster was so powerful before (sending storm troopers flying) how did it not kill Kylo?
The whole left side of his chest should have been gone.
I've heard that theory, but did we get any confirmation that this is Anakin's true origin?
The crazy force pull by Rey was totally out of place, but the outcome of the fight itself was fine.
That interview is useless lol. "What are the Knights of Ren? Youre going to have to wait until Dec. 18 to find out." Except, you know, nah. We didn't find anything out about the Knights of Ren.
DragonSworne
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Bowcaster requires charging or Ren is a super badass and can take a bowcaster shot.
shortsFortallPeople
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yeah but that doesn't mean much. Luke, son on Anakin, spent what felt like a month mastering how to lift a rock.
I can't accept that she simply knows not only that jedi mind tricks are a thing but also uses it exceptionally well? It took Luke almost two movies to get okay at the force and he had Yoda training him.
Yeah, the only way im swallowing that pill is if they explain it away as her having her mind wiped to keep her safe while her (likely) papa Luke went into exile.
Trashma deserves nothing.
LegendofDragoonLives
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You're shitting me. What a waste of a talent Disney, hold this L.
Inferno313
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Dude, there was an extreme close up on the blood he was losing. It's not like his injury is something you have to infer.
True, but the cut after he asks it is very telling. If he had no knowledge of her before that scene, why ask the question in that way? And the second line from Kylo seems like misdirection, because Kylo doesn't want her to know that he knows who she is. My guess is that Kylo knows a girl escaped from the academy, but doesn't know she's as special as Rey is.
Well Abrams left out the line from the book where Rey hears a voice that says "Kill Him". That definitely could have helped convey that if it was implemented in the movie.
Well it did fill in more of the "What has Han been up to all this time?" story line. It gave the audience a classic Han Solo dealing with gangsters who want to kill him scene and getting out of the situation with Han Solo luck. It also gave Rey a chance to shine in front Han (and us) which led to obvious outcomes in the film. So yeah reasons.
Rey's also a woman, and I think she figured out the truth by the end of the movie.
Maz even said after the lightsaber incident something like "I can see it in your eyes, you know the truth.", and then basically said "take your family's saber.
I've posted this before but the theory would actually be pretty cool. Although, like others have said, it's cool but probably too far fetched. But! I saw one poster say that Abrams has said that the writer and/or director for Episode 8 has some stuff planned that you would never expect, so I still have hope.
Anyway here is my post again.
Going along with the Darth Plagueis is Snoke theory. Rumors from before about Anakin's birth was that Plagueis actually did figure out how to manipulate the force (or midicholorians, whatever) to create life, and therefore he created Anakin (which is why his midicholorian count was off the charts) essentially being his "Father".
What if Snoke is Plaguies, and saw Anakin as a failed attempt, so he tried again with Rey. Creating her. Sure it still leaves it open to who her mother may be. But, this could also explain her connection to Luke/Skywalker's since essentially she is like Anakin's sister.
Well, as for the "I can see it in your eyes, you already know the truth" line, right after she says "Whoever left you is never coming back" so that's what she meant by that. It's tough to crack. There is evidence towards her being Skywalker, but just not enough and seems to lazy of a twist.
she was more concerned with saving Finn as it was implied by the scene with her kissing him on the forehead
No. Chewie was just super far away.
Interfectum
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Either that or he was so distraught by watching Solo die his aiming was off.
Omegasquash
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Or the other knights are also traitorous Jedi trainees.
I don't think it was confirmed even in the now decanonised Plagueis book.
Aside from him being created by the force there is no real other option though.
I hope not. We already have too much retreading on Ep. VII already.
Also I really hope Rey is not related to anyone in the OT.
It only just happens to conveniently separate the two during a climatic moment.
Whoa now. That's Interstellar level exposition there.
Scientist Supreme!
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This is such basic stuff but I like it.
I guess.
I know but it didn't seem to effect his fighting that much to me.
DragonSworne
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How about the real option of his dad being a human?
TangoAlphaLima
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Yeah, that's one thing that is hard for me to fathom, given that Luke, who'd had more training at the beginning of ESB, really struggled to force grab his lightsaber when the Wampa was coming for him. But I'm probably being too critical.
It would work really well for the continued conflict with Ren, too. Ren wants to be like Vader, and he will be in so far as he's going to be a failure.
Rey is going to be what Anakin was supposed to be during the PT. Not that's it's going to be easy for her to get there or that she won't be tempted to turn.
Dice
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It also showed some of the snowy forest later on, so showing the KoR may have been a snapshot of his identity in the years since betraying Luke.
Although, it does make sense that he would have had backup and that is why Luke couldn't handle the situation. Then again, I could also see it as something like Luke saying about Rey "the force is very strong with her, even stronger than with you" and that sends Ben's insecure self over the edge, and Luke knows that he could fight him but not while protecting baby-her at the same time.
JetBlackPanda
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that's too bad.
WadiumArcadium
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There's a few now non-canon books that go into it. In Plagueis' attempts to create life, he inadvertently created Anakin or the force did as if to "strike back".
There's also Palpatine's story about Plagueis from Revenge of the Sith that strongly hints that's the case:
"Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith so powerful and so wise, he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life."
Anakin had no father, it adds up.
It's really not even worth engaging with him. He quoted a negative review of the film before release and said he was looking forward to writing something exactly like that once he actually saw it:
I'm probably going to write something similar after seeing the film.
That will be fun.
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JeremyEtcetera
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I saw the movie and really enjoyed it regardless of the repeated plot points from episode 4, and a lot of the characterization and plot setups for the sequel reminded me of a well loved T.V. show: Avatar the Last Airbender. I'll explain below with comparisons.
The Hidden Power/Forgotten Memories Arc
Rey = Avatar Aang(and a bit of Korra). Character has an unbelievable power that suddenly awakens, which is much stronger than anticipated. Character also gets the hang of a new power really quickly whereas others would take months to master them. Character can look into the past and into the future but the events aren't spelled out for them. They will need training, a thoughtful master, to hone their skills to the fullest.
Proving Himself Arc
Finn = Sokka. Character is just a regular guy with a sense of humor whether he realizes it or not. That's what makes him likable. He doesn't have powers or isn't the best in everything, but he tries his best to help. He'll have an arc in which he starts to question his use in the grand scheme of things, and possibly come out on the other side more confident as possibly the general/strategist of the resistance army.
Redemption Arc:
Prince Zuko = Kylo Ren. Character starts off evil, kills someone important to prove a point(Han Solo) but ends up being betrayed be the ones who turned him evil. I'm guessing he will be betrayed by either Snoke or one of the Knights of Ren in the second movie, which makes him go on a journey to find himself and realize he was with the light side all along, even though he tried so hard to be a Sith. He'll become good by the final movie.
The Father Figure
Old Han Solo = Uncle Iroh. I'm betting that in the next two movies, Kylo Ren will probably have nice flashbacks to Han being a great father and how he should have listened to him during his redemption arc.
The Teacher Arc
Luke Skywalker = combination of Tenzin and Bumi. Seclusion all this time has probably made him a bit more closed off or odd, however he still will be a great master who will probably have to deal with an apprentice who is too young or impatient. He'll be hesitant at first because he doesn't want another Kylo Ren. He will eventually teach Rey how to harness her powers.
Resistance Leader Arc
Leia = Water Tribe Leader Arnook. All on her own with no brother or lover, she becomes hardened and thus becomes a more strict and fierce leader of the resistance. She may become less caring in the next movie but will realize she is being too harsh on her troops and herself later on.
The Big Bad Arc
Snoke = Fire Lord Ozai. Big Bad Evil, motivations will be made more clear in the next two episodes, but he generally wants power and chaos.
These character's have not been introduced yet:
Azula = ???. Would make a great Sith character, who is close to becoming a sith lord and has really good skill in what she does. She'd probably face off really well against Rey but it might be Kylo who takes her down. She would be the right hand to Snoke.
Katara = ???. Will aide the main character in some way possibly in episode 8 or 9. Will possibly teach Rey how to duel better with the lightsaber(I think both Rey and Luke are not good duelists as Luke was never trained in dueling during his arc, and Rey was using the force to help her swing better but she can't always rely on the force).
The Hidden Power/Forgotten Memories Arc
Rey = Avatar Aang(and a bit of Korra). Character has an unbelievable power that suddenly awakens, which is much stronger than anticipated. Character also gets the hang of a new power really quickly whereas others would take months to master them. Character can look into the past and into the future but the events aren't spelled out for them. They will need training, a thoughtful master, to hone their skills to the fullest.
Proving Himself Arc
Finn = Sokka. Character is just a regular guy with a sense of humor whether he realizes it or not. That's what makes him likable. He doesn't have powers or isn't the best in everything, but he tries his best to help. He'll have an arc in which he starts to question his use in the grand scheme of things, and possibly come out on the other side more confident as possibly the general/strategist of the resistance army.
Redemption Arc:
Prince Zuko = Kylo Ren. Character starts off evil, kills someone important to prove a point(Han Solo) but ends up being betrayed be the ones who turned him evil. I'm guessing he will be betrayed by either Snoke or one of the Knights of Ren in the second movie, which makes him go on a journey to find himself and realize he was with the light side all along, even though he tried so hard to be a Sith. He'll become good by the final movie.
The Father Figure
Old Han Solo = Uncle Iroh. I'm betting that in the next two movies, Kylo Ren will probably have nice flashbacks to Han being a great father and how he should have listened to him during his redemption arc.
The Teacher Arc
Luke Skywalker = combination of Tenzin and Bumi. Seclusion all this time has probably made him a bit more closed off or odd, however he still will be a great master who will probably have to deal with an apprentice who is too young or impatient. He'll be hesitant at first because he doesn't want another Kylo Ren. He will eventually teach Rey how to harness her powers.
Resistance Leader Arc
Leia = Water Tribe Leader Arnook. All on her own with no brother or lover, she becomes hardened and thus becomes a more strict and fierce leader of the resistance. She may become less caring in the next movie but will realize she is being too harsh on her troops and herself later on.
The Big Bad Arc
Snoke = Fire Lord Ozai. Big Bad Evil, motivations will be made more clear in the next two episodes, but he generally wants power and chaos.
These character's have not been introduced yet:
Azula = ???. Would make a great Sith character, who is close to becoming a sith lord and has really good skill in what she does. She'd probably face off really well against Rey but it might be Kylo who takes her down. She would be the right hand to Snoke.
Katara = ???. Will aide the main character in some way possibly in episode 8 or 9. Will possibly teach Rey how to duel better with the lightsaber(I think both Rey and Luke are not good duelists as Luke was never trained in dueling during his arc, and Rey was using the force to help her swing better but she can't always rely on the force).
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