What are some of these plot holes? Seriously asking. I'll get the easy example of Maz getting the lightsaber out of the way now, but what are the others?
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What are some of these plot holes? Seriously asking. I'll get the easy example of Maz getting the lightsaber out of the way now, but what are the others?
I thought they were heavily implying that there was more to her than we saw. I assumed they would have explained it in this movie, but I guess they're saving it for the following ones. Clearly she has had experience with flying and repairing ships.
BattleMonkey
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Fett didn't do much of anything in ESB either. The whole comparison is how hyped up and out there they made her character before the movie and merch, and she became popular without anyone seeing the film. And like Fett, she has a minor role.
Killing someone in the heat of battle is very different than slaughtering a downed and defeated enemy. That's the real Dark Side shit right? Kylo makes a very intentional choice to kill Han, under no duress. That's a Evil thing to do.
So yeah, in the fight she's angry and feeding off emotion and swinging savagely, sure. Once she downs him that should be a chance for introspection, recognize that she's feeding off her passions and decide if that's something she wants to be doing. We're left with a clear question: how does Rey feel about having been consumed by a berserker rage? Is she afraid of herself? Is she seduced by the power the she felt?
I expect that'll be a direct conversation with Luke in the next one, but it's kind of limp that we don't have much to go off of now. Does Rey tend Dark or tend Light is basically up in the air.
CloudyTuba
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Her voice sounded beautiful indeed. So soothing.
In desperate need of more of her in 8. She didn't get to do shit, even less than Boba. She needs to redeem herself next time and go in reverse Boba order. Embarrassing first, badass after.
Boba outsmarted Han in ESB.
GustyGardens
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I, too, was a little disappointed by Captain Phasma's role in the movie, but they've already confirmed that she'll have a bigger role in the Episode VIII, so I'm hoping she comes back with a vengeance. I want them to make her an extension of Kylo Ren and The First Order. The group has proven itself to be brutal, and I'm hoping she becomes a manifestation of that. I mean, she's in the position for a reason.
Future PhaZe
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I think JJ and Kasdan would have done their due diligence and looked up short summaries of virtually all the EU material--to avoid straight up copying it, but also seeing if there was anything there worth playing with. And they'd have found that throughout almost all of it, there wasn't a single villain written that could truly challenge Luke aside from the Yuuzhan Vong--which are in a literal sense too alien to be used as the basis for new films.
Plageuis is something of a dream candidate as a villain for someone looking to bring a credible villain into the fray. And his presence would result in questions and new levels to the force that would justify a new trilogy.
That said, yes of course it could just be a strong darkside dude who camped in the outer reaches all this time. But meh.
Interfectum
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Baby Anakin was fighting space battles in Episode I wasn't he? Also Luke got pretty good at flying rather quickly too... from farm boy to destroying the death star no probs.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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If Phasma had similarly not done much of anything, she's be much better off. Instead, she almost single-handily undermined the entire operation
I wasn't digging, I remember reading that comment and I thought, "Of course he's ignoring all of the other tweets saying the movie was great". It took me all but one minute of "digging" to find.
So you went in hoping you'd dislike it and that's what happened. Hate or dislike, whatever, you went in wanting not to like the film and it turned out you didn't like it, what a surprise.
You can pretend that's not the case but anyone who had been reading the Star Wars thread will know you were nothing but negative before you even saw the movie.
You can dislike the movie all you want but I just find it super weird why someone would want to dislike a movie and then get giddy about the thought of writing a negative review even before they saw the movie.
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It's not like I'm the only person to notice you doing this, multiple people have.
Anton Sugar
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This, and I wonder if there was a throwaway line or deleted scene. When Finn says they need a pilot, she says "we have one" clearly talking about herself.
Wasn't Anakin supposed to be a great pilot, and the Force helped with that?
darkwing-buck
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Who needs Wedge when you got Poe. Oscar Isacc is pretty great.
SuperStiltzkin
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That's true. I wonder if she will be in the next films as a stronger character. Or just be a joke character. She looks like she was designed to be a propoganda poster. Shiny chrome armor and a cape. Would be funny if she was simply a shiny figurehead for the stormtroopers instead of an actually competent captain.
BattleMonkey
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Luke knew how to fly, he used to fly the family T-16 and was wanting to go to the academy for more formal training.
Dice
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Anakin was a little kid who was pod racing, which wasn't even supposed to be possible for humans. I think we can legitimately assume that Rey's fights growing up (implied not just by her fight, but that she carried a staff at all times and the guy taking BB-8 listened to her) were legitimate training for situational awareness in combat using the force and not even knowing it. In the PT do we ever get a sense of struggle from Anakin? Seems more like he was instant pro at everything he did and the Jedi doubted the state of his mind, not his capability in battle.
Admiral Woofington
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I don't really understand the criticism of this scene. It's not like the Empire never had a propensity for being too confident; she didn't think that what she was doing would make a difference.
Let's be honest here. The First Order undermined the entire operation by building yet another "death star" with a single poorly defended weakness with zero redundancy.
Yeah. They really have to make up for how they handled her here. I want this woman to be a massive threat to the protagonists. I want her to be relentless, ruthless and dangerous. When they ordered her to disable the shields I was like "Dafuq is this shit?"
They have shields for a reason.
All they really share is having cool looking armor (Mandalorian still better imo). Saying Fett held an equal role to Phasma is hardly true. Fett was a supporting villian in ESB. Phasma was just there to bring the shields and that was it.
Even calling her a character is a bit of stretch really. She was treated as so much of a joke her getting dumped in the trash compacter wasn't even shown. They really did set people up to be disappointed with her.
What about the X wings weapons? The entire movie depicts him being a novice and naive. Yet Miracle shot because of the force.
But Rey is too outlandish /s
"I'm Poe. Poe Dameron. The greatest bro in the galaxy." I may have added that last part.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Indeed, but that's apparently an accepted level of stupidity in this Universe
Glass Shark
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Not sure why or how something in the Star Wars universe happened? The Force did it.
This is literally how it has been since the beginning. It's reinforced over and over again in every film.
This is why Star Wars is fantasy and not science fiction.
If you don't like that then you should probably just not watch any of these movies ever again.
This is literally how it has been since the beginning. It's reinforced over and over again in every film.
This is why Star Wars is fantasy and not science fiction.
If you don't like that then you should probably just not watch any of these movies ever again.
NOLA_Gaffer
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What I wanna know is whether or not she was fished out of the trash compactor before the planet went kersplooey.
Helped correct that for you a bit.
Problem is Anakin had already won a podrace (he's even mentioned to be the only human who can participate) and we already knew his reflexes were a product of his force sensitivity before he got inside the Starfighter.
Rey just "tries" stuff and excels at it at her third try. Anakin had a lot of practice as a pilot before that. Rey got it perfectly at her first few tries.
Phasma I believe will be the main antagonist of Finn in episode 8.
SinShep
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Nothing Luke does in ANH is something only an expert pilot would be able to do, the most being his shot against the Death Star which was down to using the force anyway.
In what seems to be Rey's first time flying a ship she's able to navigate a Star Destroyer ruin with ease, something which I wouldn't even think Han would be able to do as easy.
PrivateWHudson
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Didn't she have experience working for the Junker guy? I've only seen it once, but she was going on about how he replaced this and that and she thought it was a mistake. I assumed that she worked on ships at one point for the Junker and at least took them out for test drives occasionally. She knew which were good, and which were garbage.
Previous Star Wars movies have already established that The Force can really help add to someone's skills. Luke's first time in an X-Wing and he sinks a shot that experienced pilots and targeting computers can't nail. Luke also has one scene of on-screen lightsaber training in the entire trilogy and is able to fight Vader.
Haha, I already started calling him that in texts between my cousins.
Why would you assume this is her first time flying a ship? She clearly was confident in flying the quad jumper, as she led them to it during the attack. She straight up calls herself a pilot. And then pilots a ship. She is a pilot.
Interfectum
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Rey implied that she was a pilot in the movie, we just didn't see her skills, unlike Anakin with the pod race. Also, what about Luke? How did he get so good, so quickly?
Please god no
Yeah, personally, this was my biggest issue with the movie. It's really hard to buy this entity as a credible threat then they are this incompetent.
If they redeem her ridiculous presence in Ep. VII, why not?
WadiumArcadium
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I'm not entirely against it to be honest. It just seems quite unlikely. If Snoke is Plageuis, I'd have thought they would have kept him a Muun instead of changing him to...whatever Snoke is. I know it's no longer canon but changing his race for seemingly no reason would also be a bit weird. If the hologram is how he actually looks.
There's also the fact JJ said they were considering making Snoke a female at one point. Obviously that might have been before they decided to go the Plageuis route, if they have.
Anton Sugar
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Considering she's probably been living off of scrapping Star Destroyers and other vehicles, she probably knows something about their layout
Scientist Supreme!
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Ok. I would love for you to show me where I "hoped" or was "giddy" about disliking the film. I can only see fear and disappointed from not liking it.
But you can believe whatever you want. You really seem detached from reality to be honest.
You want to divorce C-3PO and R2-D2?
Glass Shark
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1. How do we know Anakin wasn't instantly good at podracing? (We don't.)
2. Why was Anakin instantly able to pilot a Naboo starfighter even though he'd never flown one before? Because the Force.
3. How was Anakin instantly able to read all the pictures on that dumb little view screen thing in the Jedi Temple? Because the Force.
Rey was good at stuff her first try, just like Anakin, because the Force.
Also, dude, MAGIC.
"The force" is no skill you level up in formal training.
maybe Andy Serkis simply nailed it in casting and that's why they changed Snoke's gender in pre-production.
where did he learn spinning (that's a good trick!)
Patrick Bateman
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It blew my mind when they did that rebel-meeting and came up with the plan in about 5 seconds that this "death star" had some sort of exhaust/access/whatever, where they could blow it up.
At this point it would make Finn even more of a jobber.
Admiral Woofington
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Especially when the rebels find out about it so last minute and then take it down just as quickly as they found out.
Interfectum
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Yeah that was a bit too quick. Almost felt like a parody. Probably one of my least favorite moments of the film.
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