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[Monocle]

All the accusations of Rey being a Mary Sue and "leveling up" are just disappointing. Maybe things came a little too easy to her at times but it's not really very different than it was for Luke and it was never played for cuteness like it was with Anakin in TPM. I don't think she was ever portrayed as being OP in terms of piloting/mechanics (two skills I'm sure she honed as a scavenger on Jakku) and her quick learn of Jedi technique and lightsaber combat can be chalked up to her being experienced at melee with her staff, and her likely repressed Jedi training, which was heavily hinted at in her vision.

I'd love to see a thread titled "post like its 1977 and you just saw Star Wars for the first time" I think ultimately we're living in a time when the audience itself in general is overstimulated and overexposed to the various storytelling tropes that all movies lean on from time to time and possession of that knowledge is paradoxical in terms of their enjoyment of what's going on.

In order for some of us to properly enjoy these popcorn fantasies and lose ourselves, which I think is probably the intention of the creators, maybe we need to unlearn what we have learned.

Great post. More likely than not, the cynicism about things like Rey coming to grips with her force abilities wouldn't exist in 1977. TFA is no more tropey and flawed than the Original Trilogy. In fact, it's much more competent in some ways.

 

[Discotheque]

I have a sneaking suspicion Benicio Del Toro's character will be the endgame villain. I have no reason to suspect this other than my gut.

he'd be an amazing interpretation of somebody like thrawn.

or maybe have him be ren's trainer instead of snoke. i'd be really down for that.

 

[Bog]

At least Boba Fett managed to look cool for a movie. Phasma couldn't even achieve that.

Yeah. Sales of Phasma toys came to a screeching fucking halt on Friday.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Just incidentally, I got the idea that Maz was at some point a Jedi but has been around so long that she has long since taken her own path.

The Jedi aren't perfect or the paragons of purity; They're overly dogmatic and flawed as you might imagine. A wise independent thinker would probably eventually drift away from them.

Seems like a possible natural progression for Qui Gon if he had lived long enough.

I really wonder if he'll be force sensitive too, considering he didn't do all that bad with the saber given his first and second time using it, plus his change of heart at killing the villagers at the beginning unlike the rest of the stormtrooper horde.

I mean, he grew up into service and somehow still knew it was wrong.

I feel like they might end up making all three of them Force-sensitive by the end, although maybe only hint at it or reveal it at the very end for the other two.

Finn being able to resist the neural conditioning/brainwashing and Poe being such a ridiculous pilot might be hints. Feels like that would make being Force-sensitive a bit cheap if every new main character could do it, though.

 

[Fj0823]

Maz Kanata in a Jedi robe?

Holy shit, the plot thickens.

Maybe a pirate dropped it on Tatooine.
God I love stuff like this.

Someone tweet this to Pablo Hidalgo.

 

[OricWindstar]

Yeah. Sales of Phasma toys came to a screeching fucking halt on Friday.

Haha, I bet you they actually did.

 

[Cohsae]

I really wonder if he'll be force sensitive too, considering he didn't do all that bad with the saber given his first and second time using it, plus his change of heart at killing the villagers at the beginning unlike the rest of the stormtrooper horde.

I mean, he grew up into service and somehow still knew it was wrong.

I really hope he's not.
Also they talk about stormtroopers going to conditioning or whatever so presumably he's not the first to not follow orders.

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

I've only been an average Star Wars fan in my life. Owned a few toys, read a few books, but never reached any sort of mega-nerdom, but holy shit if this film and the media circus surrounding it isn't sucking me in big time.

I'm thinking I'm gonna start saving up my Amazon reward dollars to put towards one of those little R/C BB-8s.

 

[CreepingFear]

Bobba at least caught Han

Phasma gave Finn a stern talking to and asked him to report for discipline.

 

[aliengmr]

Wait what? Resisting a mind probe was enough to teach her how to straight up dominate mind on a Storm Trooper later that same day? It's literally unprecedented.

Its not a series of button presses on a controller or some Harry Potter spell. Its getting into someone's head and manipulating them.

Anakin didn't even need learn how to force ghost, must have had a cheat code for that.

 

[Steel]

All it changed was his image of an unstoppable badass. His powers and skills stayed the same. He was never any less of a threat to the heroes. I prefer a flawed villain with countless connections to important characters and events over a bland brute who's cool and scary but not much else.

The Starkiller Base wasn't made necessary by Kylo's character development. It has other story functions. Namely continuing Star Wars' tradition of superweapons, centralizing the bad guys, and bringing most of the major players to one place for the final act.

I never said all I wanted was a bland brute who's cool and scary but not much else. There's a pretty large characterization space between a villain that's an insecure wimp and Darth Maul.

Starkiller Base was following the superweapon trope of the original trilogy and KOTOR 1(which at least didn't copy the Death Star in the Star Forge), but the way it's used in the plot is a lot more hamfisted than any of those. It instantly wipes out the New Republic fleet and Government before we get to see anything about them because they're inconvenient to the plot(why, we couldn't actually have a fight between The First Order and the New Republic or even have them as a third party for awhile, no no. Gotta blow them up), not to mention the whole "it's tons huger than the death star" thing couldn't feel anymore like compensating.

 

[Jobbs]

Haha, I bet you they actually did.

I still want that Phasma figuarts. It looks amazing.

I feel 100% sure that Phasma is alive and will appear again and have great scenes. She's prominently displayed on ep 7 posters. I mean, come on.

 

[Monocle]

Yeah. Sales of Phasma toys came to a screeching fucking halt on Friday.

No sane 6-year-old would be underwhelmed by a chrome stormtrooper toy. I'm sorry but that is the coolest shit. My kid self would want a whole army of them.

 

[CloudyTuba]

This thread is just going in circles as more people see the movie and come in with the same reactions and then the same refutations and so on and so forth. Lets talk about this amazing BB-8 toy and how I wish I had an extra $150 laying around to buy one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSxTIcD8D58

I've got one, it's really cute. It's a tiny bit underscaled for 1/6 but not enough for me to be all that upset about it considering it actually works, and wasnt meant to match any scale.

 

[Frog-fu]

he'd be an amazing interpretation of somebody like thrawn.

or maybe have him be ren's trainer instead of snoke. i'd be really down for that.

It'd be great if his character was based on Thrawn. That'd be dope as fuck. Especially if he takes over Ren as his apprentice and fucks up Snoke.

 

[Divvy]

Phasma gave Finn a stern talking to and asked him to report for discipline.

Did she even do that? I can only remember her telling him that he wasn't told to take his helmet off, but not actually punishing him.

 

[Monocle]

It'd be great if his character was based on Thrawn. That'd be dope as fuck. Especially if he takes over Ren as his apprentice and fucks up Snoke.

I'm down for this.

 

[MetalFearSolid]

Maz Kanata in a Jedi robe?

I mean did JJ Abrams inherit the concept work and bullshit a story better than George Lucas? I would buy it.

 

[SuperOrez]

I hope Kylo kills Snoke in the second movie and takes his place as Sith Lord (if he even is one.) We haven't seen a Sith apprentice every ascend to Lord yet abd that'd be cool to see.

 

[Plasticine]

I still want that Phasma figuarts. It looks amazing.

I feel 100% sure that Phasma is alive and will appear again and have great scenes. She's prominently displayed on ep 7 posters. I mean, come on.

It'll keep falling off your stand and landing in the trash can.

 

[injurai]

Wait what? Resisting a mind probe was enough to teach her how to straight up dominate mind on a Storm Trooper later that same day? It's literally unprecedented.

We need to remember that the ability to resist force persuasion is based on a person's will. Stormtroopers become accustomed to following orders and rote routine. They probably don't undergo extensive training to resist any sort of mind tricks. Most stormtroopers don't defect like Finn. A particularly loyal guard to assigned to Rey, she just barely broke through the barrier to effectively persuade someone. She failed at first, and collected herself realizing she had to follow through with what she started.

 

[Toa TAK]

It'll keep falling off your stand and landing in the trash can.

Wait, then what IS the best Phasma figure my nonexistent cash can get me?

 

[Ragnorok64]

I've got one, it's really cute. It's a tiny bit underscaled for 1/6 but not enough for me to be all that upset about it.

Im interested in what kind of hacks people come up with for them seeing as they are controlled by bluetooth with an app.

 

[Fj0823]

Its not a series of button presses on a controller or some Harry Potter spell. Its getting into someone's head and manipulating them.

Anakin didn't even need learn how to force ghost, must have had a cheat code for that.

He is the chosen one and he technically fulfilled the list of requirements with his switch to the lightside. He rejected the easy path, acceped death without material attachments to life and most importantly tamed his own darkness.

 

[chicko1983]

they should have made Phasma's design more unique than just a chrome outfit. That would have helped her out a bit more.

She'll be back though. Id like to see her as a recurring character who continually gets easily caught and disposed of in a trash compactor - like that Johnny guy who always goes to the toilet in Metal Gear Solid series.

 

[Steel]

We need to remember that the ability to resist force persuasion is based on a person's will. Stormtroopers become accustomed to following orders and rote routine. They probably don't undergo extensive training to resist any sort of mind tricks. Most stormtroopers don't defect like Finn. A particularly loyal guard to assigned to Rey, she just barely broke through the barrier to effectively persuade someone. She failed at first, and collected herself realizing she had to follow through with what she started.

Why would she even think she could do that, though? It's not like she saw anyone else even try.

 

[The One and Done™]

What's funny is that Rey actually wasn't that skilled in her fight with Ren. I've watched it 3 times and she didnt "own" Ren. She ran for the majority of that fight and Ren could have killed her but instead chose to attempt to recruit her. Additionally he was clearly running on fumes and adrenalin so it's not like Rey beat a healthy Ren anyways.

 

[The Technomancer]

Why would she even think she could do that, though? It's not like she saw anyone else even try.

I'm actually fine with her knowing about that, you have to assume the "legends of the jedi" were like "they could leap 20 feet in a single bound, rip the weapons from their enemies hands, and influence weaker minds with simply a word"

 

[injurai]

Why would she even think she could do that, though? It's not like she saw anyone else even try.

She's heard of Skywalker, Solo and their exploits. In fact she didn't exactly believe in all the stories until she got caught up in everything. Hence "It's true, all of it." After she tried to convince Finn to follow through helping the resistance she ran from an impending fate after she had her vision. She slowly started accepting it more when she was desperate. Why wouldn't she try one of the many exploits the famed Luke had been known for.

 

[Toa TAK]

they should have made Phasma's design more unique than just a chrome outfit. That would have helped her out a bit more.

But she's got a cape, too.

A CAPE!

 

[Volimar]

Stormtroopers are so dumb she probably thought that she just had to keep repeating it and he'd eventually listen.

Spoiler

Sorry Fin.

 

[zeemumu]

What did they ever do with Phasma? Did they really jam her into a trash compactor?

 

[CreepingFear]

Did she even do that? I can only remember her telling him that he wasn't told to take his helmet off, but not actually punishing him.

She told him to report to some department to get his weapon checked or something. It was after this when he goes to break out Poe.

 

[The Technomancer]

Stormtroopers are so dumb she probably thought that she just had to keep repeating it and he'd eventually listen.

Spoiler

Sorry Fin.

Also that Stormtrooper was played by Daniel Craig. Yes, that Daniel Craig

Also I love the way he just slightly draws out the last line "aaaaand I'll drop my gun"

 

[JeffZero]

What did they ever do with Phasma? Did they really jam her into a trash compactor?

It doesn't really matter, since she's clearly going to be back for the sequels regardless.

 

[Plasticine]

Wait, then what IS the best Phasma figure my nonexistent cash can get me?

Your nonexistent space bucks would be better spent on one of those new Snowtrooper toys. Those new designs are pretty sweet.

 

[zeemumu]

It doesn't really matter, since she's clearly going to be back for the sequels regardless.

Be back to get tossed into the Sarlacc pit and fall in love with Boba and have a kid that will eventually escape to get revenge in the trilogy after this one.

 

[Toa TAK]

Your nonexistent space bucks would be better spent on one of those new Snowtrooper toys. Those new designs are pretty sweet.

The new Snowtroopers? They're pretty cool, but I prefer the KKK-esque Snowtroopers from V instead. They're scarier that way.

How about the regular Stormtroopers?

 

[Steel]

Was anyone else really weirded out when Finn went from mourning the death of a comrade to suddenly cheering while killing Stormtroopers, that are just like he was?

She's heard of Skywalker, Solo and their exploits. In fact she didn't exactly believe in all the stories until she got caught up in everything. Hence "It's true, all of it." After she tried to convince Finn to follow through helping the resistance she ran from an impending fate after she had her vision. She slowly started accepting it more when she was desperate. Why wouldn't she try one of the many exploits the famed Luke had been known for.

You see, I wonder about that. She knew about "the stories" yes, but she didn't know about creatures outside Jakku and didn't know that there were planets with a lot of greenery. They go back and forth whether she knows nothing of life off of Jakku and knowing a lot about life off of Jakku.

 

[Tesseract]

Be back to get tossed into the Sarlacc pit and fall in love with Boba and have a kid that will eventually escape to get revenge in the trilogy after this one.

that's the best idea ever, holy shit

you can't not laugh at that

 

[BigJonsson]

Also that Stormtrooper was played by Daniel Craig. Yes, that Daniel Craig

Also I love the way he just slightly draws out the last line "aaaaand I'll drop my gun"

Really?

Oh wow, it's true lol

 

[aliengmr]

Why would she even think she could do that, though? It's not like she saw anyone else even try.

Random SW people referred to the mind trick so its not a some lost ancient mystery. One campfire story is all you need.

If I were in her position, I'd say fuck it, why not?

 

[Laputa_94]

Lets talk about this amazing BB-8 toy and how I wish I had an extra $150 laying around to buy one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSxTIcD8D58

Man thats awesome.

 

[CreepingFear]

I thought it still was not confirmed that the trooper was Craig? It's some rumor that one of the big magazines put out there as fact, no?

 

[Skyrim]

It doesn't really matter, since she's clearly going to be back for the sequels regardless.

Be back in EU and fans will start having fan fic.

Shipping Rey and Phasma

 

[The Technomancer]

Really?

yup

http://screencrush.com/daniel-craig-star-wars-cameo-revealed/

 

[zeemumu]

From a certain angle it looked like Chewie shot Ren in the dick.

 

[Dragon]

I thought it still was not confirmed that the trooper was Craig? It's some rumor that one of the big magazines put out there as fact, no?

It's on imdb.

 

[The Technomancer]

I thought it still was not confirmed that the trooper was Craig? It's some rumor that one of the big magazines put out there as fact, no?

I'm pretty sure you can recognize his voice if you're listening to it, at least I thought I did. I knew that the rumor was he "played a trooper who interacted with Rey" and halfway through the scene I was like "is that...wait I think it is!"

 

[Hamster Plugin]

Phasma's shittiness is really disappointing, considering that the First Order is really lacking in women in the first place. We even get confirmation that low-ranking female stormtroopers don't exist (Star Wars Battlefront confirmed non canon) when Kylo says "my men will take care of it" in a conversation.

Why does evil cannon fodder always have to be dudes?