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[Toth]

...It's a button. Han Solo uses it to save Luke's life in Empire.

Anyone can use a lightsaber, it's just that Jedi can use it well without killing themselves. Finn atleast has some combat training that helped him not die after just two swings.

Ah okay, thanks everyone. Still, the way he was able to use it well may speak more than just combat training though. We'll see!

edit: Grevious was trained by Dooku / Sidious so he must have some force talent, no? Just not much beyond weilding multiple lightsabers.

 

[CloudyTuba]

I still believe that Finn has force potential, the scene at the begining when Kylo Ren feels his "change", and stares at him, that had to be a shift in the force...

Spoiler

Gaf please...

NOPE.

Luke is actually in Ireland.

Truth

 

[injurai]

Luke is actually in Ireland.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Luke is actually in Ireland.

New Zealand. He has been training hobbits in the ways of the force.

"Son of Pippin" will be the main protagonist of a spinoff.

 

[Cybit]

There is a team working on these films far beyond Rian. He may introduce some details on how to convey theme and character. But I don't think he would be left to make this call.

Abrams and Kasdan specifically said that they were asked to leave as much of the story open as they could specifically so Rian and future writers would be given options as to where to go. (interview with EW)

Which sort of makes sense when you think about how things are not fully explained in the movie.

 

[Xamtheking]

Did Luke accidentally wander into Middle-Earth or

 

[Nickle]

If they're going to mirror the original trilogy, then at least episode 8 is going to be pretty good.

 

[injurai]

Abrams and Kasdan specifically said that they were asked to leave as much of the story open as they could specifically so Rian and future writers would be given options as to where to go. (interview with EW)

Which sort of makes sense when you think about how things are not fully explained in the movie.

Hmmm... now I question if Lucasarts has any idea what they are doing. Though I guess a more focused vision can be needed versus design by committee. On thing I do know is that Disney is very hands off of Lucasarts in terms of IP development.

 

[The Shadow]

Don't you have to be force sensitive to even use a lightsaber? I thought him being able to actually use it was meant to show that Finn had the potential to be a Jedi. I don't recall 'normal' people being able to activate light sabers in the series.

No. Han Solo activates it to cut open the TaunTaun.

There's nothing special that prevents anyone from turning on a light saber and swinging it around, or using it like a box cutter and opening up a TaunTaun.

But facing off with a storm trooper and Kylo Ren, the first and second time using it, without any formal training and somehow not losing an arm is a far cry from slicing open a dead animal.

Han was Force sensitive, though, right? How else do you explain his uncommon "luck."

He really wasn't though. He was just able to talk/blast his way out of trouble. It didn't stop Boba Fett and Vader from freezing him in carbonite.

 

[Cohsae]

Did Luke accidentally wander into Middle-Earth or

Apparently the place is called Skellig so I guess he's wandered into the Witcher.

 

[Xamtheking]

Apparently the place is called Skellig so I guess he's wandered into the Witcher.

So Luke is going to be the protagonist of Witcher 4
It makes some sense now

 

[Plasticine]

I still believe that Finn has force potential, the scene at the begining when Kylo Ren feels his "change", and stares at him, that had to be a shift in the force...

Spoiler

Gaf please...

Finn the only Stormtrooper not mowing down the innocent civilians. I'm pretty sure that was a bigger clue than Finn being Force sensitive.

 

[aliengmr]

Did Luke accidentally wander into Middle-Earth or

Well in a galaxy filled with single biome planets, you take what you can get.

 

[injurai]

So Luke is going to be the protagonist of Witcher 4
It makes some sense now

This is why he grew a beard.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Abrams and Kasdan specifically said that they were asked to leave as much of the story open as they could specifically so Rian and future writers would be given options as to where to go. (interview with EW)

Which sort of makes sense when you think about how things are not fully explained in the movie.

Ugh really I was hoping things were thought out a ahead of time for something of this magnitude.

 

[duckroll]

Filming for Episode VIII starts very soon.

They already shot the scenes on Skellig Michael (the island at the end of the film) back in September. Depending on what happens, maybe Hamil might not even need to be part of the shoot next year.

 

[Discotheque]

Did Luke accidentally wander into Middle-Earth or

hah, that helicopter shot felt like it was trying to recreate some of that middle earth magic too. i would have honestly been fine with it if rey wasn't standing still holding out the lightsaber, it just looks awkward from that perspective.

i suspect her training in the next film will take place there. it's got nice scenery. i'm hoping we get something similar to the batman begins training sequence. luke voiceover and dialogue interspersed over her overcoming hurdles.

 

[Boke1879]

Ugh really I was hoping things were thought out a ahead of time for something of this magnitude.

There is a story group and I'm sure there is an overall framework.

 

[Loxley]

Just got home from the theater:

- The 3D wasn't worth it in the slightest, but despite that it didn't hamper my enjoyment of the movie - which I liked overall. Not sure if I'd place it above any film in the OT yet (well, at least ROTJ).
- Part of me wishes they would have held off on the reveal of Kylo being Han & Leia's son just a bit longer, but I understand why they felt the need to reveal it when they did.
- The costumes, vehicles and creatures all looked fantastic.
- Glad they didn't kill off Ren - curious to see what his arch is throughout this trilogy.
- Boyega was the highlight for me, but it was pretty great to see Harrison Ford actually give a shit in a movie for the first time since Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
- Han's death probably would have hit me a bit harder if it weren't for a few factors. One, I went in about 90% positive Han was going to die since he was pretty clearly being built up as the pseudo-Obi-wan mentor for Rey and Finn to help them on their journey. Also we simply hadn't seen enough of Han and Kylo together to make that final moment between them all-that meaningful (though Ford and Driver played the whole scene very well). Plus I figured Ford wanted a way out of this franchise for good, since I know he wanted Han to die at the end of the OT but didn't get his wish granted.
- Wished there was more of Captain Phasma - she just kind of disappeared. Kept hoping to see her kick some ass.
- I'll admit was I disappointed with the severe lack of Luke. I knew going in he was only going to be in the film for a short amount of time, but I had no idea was literally going to be 20 seconds.

I'm excited to see where Ep. 8 goes now that they've gotten the setup out of the way.

 

[Xamtheking]

I want a cheesy, Rocky-esque training montage

Spoiler

I can dream, OK?

 

[Plasticine]

Did Luke accidentally wander into Middle-Earth or

Ben chose a desert wasteland to lay low. Yoda picked to hide in a swamp that drove him batshit insane. Luke opted to run to Middle Earth. Luke learned well from his masters.

 

[duckroll]

i suspect her training in the next film will take place there. it's got nice scenery. i'm hoping we get something similar to the batman begins training sequence. luke voiceover and dialogue interspersed over her overcoming hurdles.

Unless they recreate some of the setting on a studio set or another location, I wouldn't expect too much, especially anything which has "action" in it. The island is highly protected and they only had permission to shoot for very short windows under strict supervision. I think they shot like 4 days for Ep7, and maybe a week for Ep8.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Abrams and Kasdan specifically said that they were asked to leave as much of the story open as they could specifically so Rian and future writers would be given options as to where to go. (interview with EW)

Which sort of makes sense when you think about how things are not fully explained in the movie.

But I'm sure there are points that that are mapped out and set in stone and I'm almost certain Rey's origin would be one of them.

 

[16BitNova]

Apparently the place is called Skellig so I guess he's wandered into the Witcher.

They already shot the scenes on Skellig Michael (the island at the end of the film) back in September. Depending on what happens, maybe Hamil might not even need to be part of the shoot next year.

Thank you for posting the name of the Island. I was gonna research this. I want to make a trip out there soon. The place looked beautiful.

 

[Einchy]

Peter K. Rosenthal doesn't think TFA captures the magic of A New Hope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVVUfqy9yRs

Maybe next time, Star Wars.

 

[Cohsae]

I want a cheesy, Rocky-esque training montage

Spoiler

I can dream, OK?

It's
The
Eye of the womprat
It's the thrill of the force

 

[Discotheque]

Unless they recreate some of the setting on a studio set or another location, I wouldn't expect too much, especially anything which has "action" in it. The island is highly protected and they only had permission to shoot for very short windows under strict supervision. I think they shot like 4 days for Ep7, and maybe a week for Ep8.

oh damn, well hopefully they're shooting in another part of ireland for the training then. it is quite beautiful.

 

[PHOTOSHOP]

Just saw the movie. Felt like too much of a fan service movie. I hope the next movie is more original somewhat

 

[Sectorseven]

I guess the next film pretty much has to start right where this one left off. That's unusual for these movies. I don't think any of them took place less than a year apart.

 

[injurai]

They already shot the scenes on Skellig Michael (the island at the end of the film) back in September. Depending on what happens, maybe Hamil might not even need to be part of the shoot next year.

I doubt Luke will only play a role in Rey's training at the start of the film. I'm expecting him to return to the resistance, and not remain a hermit until the end of times.

In fact I expect him to be fighting at least once sometime in this trilogy.

 

[Boke1879]

I guess the next film pretty much has to start right where this one left off. That's unusual for these movies. I don't think any of them took place less than a year apart.

I can see this movie being set a year later

 

[crisdecuba]

Ugh really I was hoping things were thought out a ahead of time for something of this magnitude.

As long as the writers have the time they need to write, and as long as the characters' actions are driven by their genuine motivations, I'm fine with not having the entire arc determined already.

I'm reminded of Breaking bad and how the writers had, by comparison to many other shows, a luxurious amount of time to just think and process and feel their way through, and how they would always ask, "well what does this this character want?" to help determine what happens next.

 

[OricWindstar]

Peter K. Rosenthal doesn't think TFA captures the magic of A New Hope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVVUfqy9yRs

Maybe next time, Star Wars.

This is fantastic.

 

[Obliterator]

I mean it has to be that Rey is Luke's daughter and he hid her on Jakku when Kylo fell right? He was building up the Jedi again and Rey likely had suppressed her memories of what happened in the past including her early Jedi training.

I mean she even knew where Luke was. Kylo tells the audience this, "you see an island in the middle of ocean" when he talks about how Rey calms herself down. She imagines the place Luke (her father) is

 

[Shaanyboi]

Ah okay, thanks everyone. Still, the way he was able to use it well may speak more than just combat training though. We'll see!

edit: Grevious was trained by Dooku / Sidious so he must have some force talent, no? Just not much beyond weilding multiple lightsabers.

With Finn, maybe. I kinda hope they don't go that route though. I hope he comes back with some cool-ass robotic spine or some shit though.

Dooku was considered tough because he was a master swordsman, apart from his force abilities. Grevious was just a tough-ass robot body hooked up to a frail organic host. It could think and respond in a way other droids couldn't.

 

[Lifejumper]

Any chance luke survives the trilogy? Would be a neat surprise.

 

[Einchy]

 

[Sectorseven]

I can see this movie being set a year later

They could, but then presumably Rey would have learned a bunch of things without us, the viewers.

 

[TAJ]

Yep.
How do we feel the hardening of Kylo Ren will play out in VIII?. I expect Snoke will compelete his training, and his arc will end with him thrashing Rey and, possibly, him killing Luke and/or Snoke.

The thread is filled with comments like this, but the movie tells us in no uncertain terms that Snoke is responsible for turning Ben. So Kylo was Snoke's apprentice at the time the academy was attacked, maybe before that. If Rey being ditched on Jakku really was tied to the attack then Kylo could have been Snoke's apprentice for as long as 17 years. What's Snoke been waiting for? Maybe he's just blowing snoke up Kylo's ass... trying to spare his ego.

 

[Pro]

I was reading articles on Harrison Ford's issue with Han and it still kind of angers me. He said they treated Han so badly in RotJ that he wanted him to be killed off. Like it REALLY bothered him because he put a lot of his time into rewriting Han's lines himself. I don't know Harrison. I never thought of it that way. I understand not wanting to be type cast but this is on a different level. It's a shame really. At least the fictional character was handled well and Ford is too old anyway so it no longer matters.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Any chance luke survives the trilogy? Would be a neat surprise.

*shrug*

These movies should be the passing of the torch to the new generation. I kinda hope we can say goodbye to those characters.

 

[Boke1879]

They could, but then presumably Rey would have learned a bunch of things without us, the viewers.

Exactly. Maybe they'll start the movie midway through her training. I like that we really don't know and they can take this anywhere

 

[Xamtheking]

Maybe he's just blowing snoke up Kylo's ass... trying to spare his ego.

.

 

[MisterHero]

I was reading articles on Harrison Ford's issue with Han and it still kind of angers me. He said they treated Han so badly in RotJ that he wanted him to be killed off. Like it REALLY bothered him because he put a lot of his time into rewriting Han's lines himself. I don't know Harrison. I never thought of it that way. I understand not wanting to be type cast but this is on a different level. It's a shame really. At least the fictional character was handled well and Ford is too old anyway so it no longer matters.

What did he want Han to be doing?

The biggest star of the movie wants out of the franchise. Isn't that the saddest thing in the world?

 

[Doc Holliday]

I'm stil surprised that the resistance would not send at least a squadron to go after Luke. Considering they went through so much trouble to get the map. Instead they send Chewie and Rey, who they just met.

 

[GhaleonEB]

I guess the next film pretty much has to start right where this one left off. That's unusual for these movies. I don't think any of them took place less than a year apart.

If it starts at the same time, the opening crawl is going to be really boring...

 

[jokkir]

Who do you guys think Snoke is?

 

[injurai]

What did he want Han to be doing?

The biggest star of the movie wants out of the franchise. Isn't that the saddest thing in the world?

It was meant to be the last film forever. He wanted Han's character to make a larger selfless sacrifice since he had mostly operated to his own benefit. Let's not forget he only got caught up in all of this because he was promised a financial reward and he needed to repay Jabba.

 

[OricWindstar]

I guess the next film pretty much has to start right where this one left off. That's unusual for these movies. I don't think any of them took place less than a year apart.

Maybe we'll get a Looper-esque montage of Rey's early training. I don't see Rian Johnson opening up VIII in an expected way.

 

[Obliterator]

Who do you guys think Snoke is?

No idea but I don't think that hologram is actually him. I get the vibe he's hiding something