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[TheFlow]

Something that I found about Who was looking after Rey.

It seems unlikely that Lor San Tekka, the man with the key to finding Luke and (maybe) Luke's daughter were living on the same planet. I believe that Tekka was put on Jakku to keep an eye on Rey, similar to how Obi-Wan watched over Luke on Tatooine. When the time was right, maybe Tekka was meant to reunite Luke and Rey, using the map he was provided. Since Kylo and the First Order killed him, a different path had to be forged to reunite father and daughter.

edit: Tekka did seem to know about the force and luke.

 

[TheOctodad]

I totally get a Dark Camelot vibe from the whole thing.
Like Snoke is some evil King Arthur on his ruined throne and he has sent out his Knights of Ren on a grail quest [in this case, Luke Skywalker] and in this story we just saw Kylo's quest, which put him in contact with Luke's holy relic Lightsaber... The other 6 Knights are chasing down their own leads throughout the Galaxy.

Considering the holy Grail, Snoke is probably using all of these people to extend his life somehow... Beings obviously ancient, wouldn't surprise me if he were dying and wants to find immortality and sit atop the Galaxy from his dark throne or something. The Knights all seem young and impressionable, would make for easy and powedulful disciples

Nailed it. Like I said earlier, Kylo exhibits all the traits of a young terrorist recruit. He is joining the dark side because of anger, meaning, and power. Knights of Ren are basically a bunch of kids being used for a devious purpose.

 

[zeemumu]

I want that guy with the blaster to be a featured Force-Sensitive Gunslinger sooooooooo bad.

Imagine the shit he could pull with that laser freeze trick that Kylo Ren did.

 

[MMarston]

We're not entirely sure if we're dealing with Sith. It looks more like a different faction of Force-users.

Some of them look like they're wearing modified Mandalorian armor.

One of them wields a staff like Rey's


Rey-van twist confirmed

Spoiler

jk

 

[LegalEagleMike]

Something that I found about Who was looking after Rey.

It seems unlikely that Lor San Tekka, the man with the key to finding Luke and (maybe) Luke's daughter were living on the same planet. I believe that Tekka was put on Jakku to keep an eye on Rey, similar to how Obi-Wan watched over Luke on Tatooine. When the time was right, maybe Tekka was meant to reunite Luke and Rey, using the map he was provided. Since Kylo and the First Order killed him, a different path had to be forged to reunite father and daughter.

edit: Tekka did seem to know about the force and luke.

pretty much. makes even more sense when you read the visual art book and it talks about how Tekka was a Jedi worshiper since as far back as the clone wars.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

In other words...

No fun allowed.

I'm glad I don't live in a world where I have to turn a critical eye to every single thing I consume.

And I'm so glad I do because of comments like this.

 

[aliengmr]

I think the twist will be that Luke actually isn't Rey's father, Luke just wanted to make her think he was to hide the truth, that Rey is the daughter of Sheev Palpatine (which is why her force is better than Kylo's, a Skywalker.)

God no, just the thought of that wrinkly old fuck procreating makes me nauseous. How can anyone think that is a good idea? How about just make her Jabba's granddaughter?

I'm sorry, this is the second time I've read this and its utterly baffling to me.

 

[Squire]

Luke probably is the father.

The real question is who the mother is.

 

[TheFlow]

pretty much. makes even more sense when you read the visual art book and it talks about how Tekka was a Jedi worshiper since as far back as the clone wars.

yeah I think Kylo Ren invading jakku threw off luke's plans.

 

[OricWindstar]

Imagine the shit he could pull with that laser freeze trick that Kylo Ren did.

Speaking of that scene, I thought Kylo was going to put Poe in front of it and threaten to "unfreeze" it if he didn't talk. Could still happen with this hypothetical gunslinger.

 

[zeemumu]

Something that I found about Who was looking after Rey.

It seems unlikely that Lor San Tekka, the man with the key to finding Luke and (maybe) Luke's daughter were living on the same planet. I believe that Tekka was put on Jakku to keep an eye on Rey, similar to how Obi-Wan watched over Luke on Tatooine. When the time was right, maybe Tekka was meant to reunite Luke and Rey, using the map he was provided. Since Kylo and the First Order killed him, a different path had to be forged to reunite father and daughter.

edit: Tekka did seem to know about the force and luke.

I forgot all about that guy. Could be.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Turns out Mon Mothma is a cougar and she seduced Luke. His force pull out game was weak and Rey Mon Skywalker was born.

 

[injurai]

Luke probably is the father.

The real question is who the mother is.

 

[TheFlow]

My mind would be blown if the other knights of ren used the force. also Kylo ren stopping the bolt at the beginning of the movie was one of the most impressive uses of the forces I have seen.

 

[LegalEagleMike]

Turns out Mon Mothma is a cougar and she seduced Luke. His force pull out game was weak and Rey Mon Skywalker was born.

Many boners died to bring us this post.

 

[Discotheque]

if luke is her father there better be some initial animosity there towards him for abandoning her.

would be lame if she got over it really quickly. plus there's that whole hiding away while a bunch of people are dying thing. and also being partially responsible for ren. man there's a lot of reasons to shit on luke in episode 8, they shouldn't let him off so easily. i don't think they will, or at least i hope not.

 

[El Jaffe]

If Rey is Han's daughter I am 100% sure that Han didn't even know.
Let's be serious. Han is not the type of guy to attend his own kids birth or fly Leia to the hospital in 12 parsecs.
Therefor the twin theory and Rey being Ben's sister seem totally viable.

I also feel like Rey is Han and Leias daughter, mainly because it seems very likely Kylo Ren knew who she was. He got super angry when he learned a "woman ftom Jakku" was with Finn and BB and lost interest in finding the droid and just took Rey, even though half the mission was making sure the Resistance didn't get the map.

Maybe Han and Leia sent both Ben and Rey to be trained with Luke, and thought Ben killed her with everyone else, but he didn't have the heart to kill his sister so he gave her to that alien asshole on Jakku. It's still weird that Han and Leia would never mention having had their daughter also murdered but maybe it would make it too obvious, idk.

 

[Sorcerer]

i don't think "the sith" (as in, the other generations before him) were in on the plan. Seeing as they're a bunch of backstabbing shitheads.
They're not all patiently doing some sort of "long play spanning multiple generations". Palpatine was simply such a huge mastermind.

Perhaps I am wrong, but I got the Idea that the Sith used the rule of 2, and the master always expects to get killed by his apprentice at one point, and the next in line is more powerful and he picks and apprentice and the cycle continues. That's what I took away from the Darth Plague book anyway. Palpatine seemed to be the culmination of their plans, when they could finally once again confront the Jedi head on.

 

[Brakke]

Not sure if this article has been posted but it breaks down a lot of problems with the story and how fans have turned a blind eye to the problems bc it's Star Wars and bc of the nostalgia.

Yeah it's not wrong. "It’s asking for a loan." is sort of right. It's like a proof of concept, a prototype to take around shopping for investment.

I disagree with one specific. It's ok to have a father-son moment against the backdrop of trillions of deaths at stake in the galaxy. Part of these movies is to elevate family drama off the mundane and onto the mythic plane. But! It's also true that Kylo killing Han is pretty much vacuous. Since we don't know anything at all about their relationship or even why Kylo *wants* to be Dark Side... And! It's so cavalier about killing a zillion people that we don't actually feel like the stakes are raised. "This super weapon is targeting Leia and our old friends" is a credible enough threat with or without first blasting [six unnamed planets].

In other words...

No fun allowed.

I'm glad I don't live in a world where I have to turn a critical eye to every single thing I consume.

That's not an accurate nor a useful summarization of the piece.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Not sure if this article has been posted but it breaks down a lot of problems with the story and how fans have turned a blind eye to the problems bc it's Star Wars and bc of the nostalgia.

Yeah, I dont need every little detail explained to me about everything. I dont need all kinds of exposition on every relationship in the movie. Its a sci fantasy action adventure movie, not a some deep, intellectually stimulating drama. Especially in the first movie of a planned trilogy. Its not like we can just pop in the next movie to see if it explains any "plot holes" or see what happens next. We have to wait. Why cant people fill in some blanks with their imagination in the meantime? IMO its what makes these movies so much fun.

Who cares "what kind of parents were Han and Leia?" right now? We know Han and Leia pretty well from the OT. Why is that something the writer of this article would care to have time wasted in this movie on? We have so many new characters to introduce, new relationships to form. We know Han very well, we know Kylo is his son, we are pissed that Kylo killed Han. Thats enough, there is enough history between almost any fan of Star Wars and Han solo that we dont need to have a whole lot of relationship building between the 2 of them for Hans death to be impactful. Its not just "because star wars" its because 30 years have past and the series is moving forward from now, not explaining everything that has lead up to this point in the first movie.

Fuck im tired and not sure if im even making sense.

 

[Obliterator]

Btw any theories as to what "The Awakening" in the force is? I mean its a real event / thing and the only two characters we hear specifically mention it are Snoke and Kylo

 

[dave_m123]

Saw it Sunday night and loved it. However the 2 questions I am most curious about are:

1) Who is Snoke? He seems like a big bad thats come out of nowhere. Any news or ideas on if hes a past character?

2)Why is there a resistance? Surely the New Republic should be fighting the First Order?

 

[TheFlow]

Btw any theories as to what "The Awakening" in the force is? I mean its a real event / thing and the only two characters we hear specifically mention it are Snoke and Kylo

I think it is a reference to Rey being discovered.

 

[Obliterator]

I think it is a reference to Rey being discovered.

Nah seems too small especially with the name of the film. I think its a much bigger deal than just Rey. Not to mention Snoke says it involves the dark side and the light

 

[TheFlow]

Saw it Sunday night and loved it. However the 2 questions I am most curious about are:

1) Who is Snoke? He seems like a big bad thats come out of nowhere. Any news or ideas on if hes a past character?

2)Why is there a resistance? Surely the New Republic should be fighting the First Order?

Think of it as a cold war type of thing. The republic can't openly declare war.

 

[zeemumu]

i don't think "the sith" (as in, the other generations before him) were in on the plan. Seeing as they're a bunch of backstabbing shitheads.
They're not all patiently doing some sort of "long play spanning multiple generations". Palpatine was simply such a huge mastermind.

The general way that the Sith did things was that one would be the master and the other would be the apprentice and the apprentice would kill the master when they became old enough. Palpatine had no intention of giving up his power and resolved to live forever. I think he had some weird body-snatching plan in the EU and that may have been what his master was working on to cheat death. I think that's why he was so eager to have Luke strike him down and turn to the dark side, because he wasn't gonna take Vader's broke-ass body. I'm betting that he had his own version of the Force Ghost thing to possess people.

 

[Musolf815]

Saw it Sunday night and loved it. However the 2 questions I am most curious about are:

1) Who is Snoke? He seems like a big bad thats come out of nowhere. Any news or ideas on if hes a past character?

2)Why is there a resistance? Surely the New Republic should be fighting the First Order?

1. He kind of did come out of nowhere, there are theories that he's Darth Plagueis (or Jar Jar...). I think the novelization hints he's an ancient dark side being from beyond the main galaxy.

2. The New Republic didn't want to have an army, so Leia forms the Resistance in response.

 

[TheFlow]

Nah seems too small especially with the name of the film. I think its a much bigger deal than just Rey. Not to mention Snoke says it involves the dark side and the light

maybe it has to do with Luke being found again

 

[Blastoise]

If Luke is the father why doesn't Han or Leia recognise Rey? Why doesn't anyone realize she is Luke's daughter?

 

[Obliterator]

maybe it has to do with Luke being found again

Im not sure if it really even is in reference with a character. Like I wonder if something is going on with The Force itself

 

[Discotheque]

If Luke is the father why doesn't Han or Leia recognise Rey? Why doesn't anyone realize she is Luke's daughter?

because maybe nobody knows. maybe he knocked somebody up and left without hearing about it. though the force should mean that this would have at least been sensed tbh.

or ideally she's kenobi blood. i really want this to be the case if they're going with family connections.

 

[thewaffles]

Not sure if this article has been posted but it breaks down a lot of problems with the story and how fans have turned a blind eye to the problems bc it's Star Wars and bc of the nostalgia.

I mean, it could be anecdotal, but isn't the main example in the article a common problem people are having with the movie? People have frequently pointed out how we got little backstory on the New Republic and nothing to get us emotionally invested in those planets that were blown up. And then the loss of billions of people is just kind of forgotten in the movie. Maybe I'm wrong, I thought a lot of people had issues with it and weren't turning a blind eye just because it was Star Wars.

 

[TheFlow]

because maybe nobody knows. maybe he knocked somebody up and left without hearing about it.

or ideally she's kenobi blood. i really want this to be the case if they're going with family connections.

maybe they don't want the audience to know right away.

 

[aliengmr]

If Rey is Han's daughter I am 100% sure that Han didn't even know.
Let's be serious. Han is not the type of guy to attend his own kids birth or fly Leia to the hospital in 12 parsecs.
Therefor the twin theory and Rey being Ben's sister seem totally viable.

They aren't the same age and Leia has no reason to hide it. Han and Leia split over losing their son. they had years to come to terms with that.

Neither of them gave any indication she was their daughter. Even if she was presumed dead Leia would know, fact.

Like, the Kenobi theory has merit, but I really can't understand how people are coming to this.

 

[tootsi666]

If Luke is the father why doesn't Han or Leia recognise Rey? Why doesn't anyone realize she is Luke's daughter?

I think it's pretty clear Han recognises her

 

[LegalEagleMike]

If Luke is the father why doesn't Han or Leia recognise Rey? Why doesn't anyone realize she is Luke's daughter?

Maybe they did but they just didnt point it out for the audience.

 

[Obliterator]

I wish somehow I could have Ewan McGregor in these movies lol. It just sucks he was wasted on the prequels, he was amazing as a Jedi

 

[pupcoffee]

If Luke is the father why doesn't Han or Leia recognise Rey? Why doesn't anyone realize she is Luke's daughter?

She's not.

 

[zeemumu]

After seeing this film you start to realize exactly how much of the prequels was done with CGI. It's insane.

 

[pupcoffee]

God no, just the thought of that wrinkly old fuck procreating makes me nauseous. How can anyone think that is a good idea? How about just make her Jabba's granddaughter?

I'm sorry, this is the second time I've read this and its utterly baffling to me.

I just wanted to gross people out.

 

[TheFlow]

They aren't the same age and Leia has no reason to hide it. Han and Leia split over losing their son. they had years to come to terms with that.

Neither of them gave any indication she was their daughter. Even if she was presumed dead Leia would know, fact.

Like, the Kenobi theory has merit, but I really can't understand how people are coming to this.

The way leia and han acted leans it toward her being luke's daughter.

 

[injurai]

I wish somehow I could have Ewan McGregor in these movies lol. It just sucks he was wasted on the prequels, he was amazing as a Jedi

I completely agree. Best casting that was done in the prequels.

 

[SegaShack]

Honestly I loved this movie. That being said, it has some flaws, but that doesn't ruin the entire thing for me.

Initially I was disappointed that it didn't have the execution and pacing of the original trilogy. That being said though, realistically, it's crazy to expect anything to be on par with those films.

The movie's biggest flaw in my opinion comes from Maz Kanata, it just forces so much exposition and is so boring in an otherwise decently paced film. The character itself is also incredibly bland and generic, as is the voice. Also the CGI is awful on this character, and the character seems to know way too much.

Another nitpick I have is that there doesn't seem to be any explanation for how The New Order came about after Return of the Jedi. I don't expect a long scene explaining it, but just a sentence or two in the title crawl would've been perfect. Otherwise it kind of nullifies the events of that film.

I avoided a lot of the internet for a week or so and right before me and my family got to the theater Friday morning someone driving by in their car had to yell out "Han's son is the bad guy". I was scared this would ruin the entire film for me, but luckily it is something revealed very soon in.

 

[MMarston]

I think it's pretty clear Han recognises her

Not really. He shoulda been a lot more concerned during her capture then.

I mean

Exhibit A

Finn: REY's BEEN CAPTURED

Han: Yeah ok buddy (thumbs up)


Exhibit B

Han: Leia, I saw our son

(Where's Rey in this conversation?)

 

[Blastoise]

- Luke trained Kylo.
- Kylo is not that much older than Rey.
- Kylo goes to the darkside when he was Luke's apprentice.
- If Luke had a child he would've had Rey while he was training new Jedi's.
- So Han and Leia would know.

 

[injurai]

I think the Kenobi's granddaughter theory has much more merit than her being Luke's daughter.

 

[TheFlow]

Not really. He shoulda been a lot more concerned during her capture then.

I mean

Exhibit A

Finn: REY's BEEN CAPTURED

Han: Yeah ok buddy (thumbs up)


Exhibit B

Han: Leia, I saw our son

(Where's Rey in this conversation?)

You are right, I think he just notices Rey has no future on jakku and offers her a job. She also knows a lot about the falcon.

 

[dave_m123]

Think of it as a cold war type of thing. The republic can't openly declare war.

I had this suspicion however after what the first order did to them in this film surely they would now change their stance.

 

[TheFlow]

it would be too much to explain kenobi having a grandaughter, at least Rey mother could be explained within a movie.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

I think the Kenobi's granddaughter theory has much more merit than her being Luke's daughter.

There was a post,I think in the first spoiler thread, that was pretty convincing. Cant even remember what it said though. Some parallels between Rey and Obi Wan.