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Rey being Luke's daughter is the most boring option out the possible plots. they should rename the movie to Skywalkers' Wars.

But if she's Luke's child that opens up interesting questions in regards to her mother. She's not accounted for, which first led me to suspect that she could have been one of the Jedi in Luke's new order and was killed along with the others. This would really give Luke's reclusion afterward a lot more personal weight. Looking back now that doesn't seem likely, since I think Rey was holding a woman's hand when she watched Luke's ship leave; she was still alive when Luke left. That leaves a lot of questions about where she's gone.

If she's a Kenobi, then there's plot trouble right away. She obviously couldn't be Ben's daughter, and in order for her parents to be old enough to conceive her after Return of the Jedi they would have had to have been born shortly after Obi Wan hermited himself away in Revenge of the Sith. What are the odds he would find someone on a remote desert scumhole so quickly? When he was supposed to be resigning himself to staying hidden and watching over Luke?

Ben's described and shown as nothing but a hermit who lives in isolation- there's no trace of any children or partners having been around for years. This means for whatever reason he would have abandoned his family well before A New Hope took place with no reasonable explanation.

It also doesn't make sense in any way for Rey to have been abandoned by her parents when Luke went into hiding, or why she had such a connection with Luke that she would suffer abandonment issues after his departure. The only non-paternal relationship I can think of is that Luke was training her as her master, but again, this doesn't explain why her parents left her.

She's obviously Luke's daughter. She even looks like a combination of Mark Hammil and Natalie Portman.
 
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But if she's Luke's child that opens up interesting questions in regards to her mother. She's not accounted for, which first led me to suspect that she could have been one of the Jedi in Luke's new order and was killed along with the others. This would really give Luke's reclusion afterward a lot more personal weight. Looking back now that doesn't seem likely, since I think Rey was holding a woman's hand when she watched Luke's ship leave; she was still alive when Luke left. That leaves a lot of questions about where she's gone.

Yeap, as I said, South American soap opera.

Who cared about Luke's mother in the OT?
 
But if she's Luke's child that opens up interesting questions in regards to her mother. She's not accounted for, which first led me to suspect that she could have been one of the Jedi in Luke's new order and was killed along with the others. This would really give Luke's reclusion afterward a lot more personal weight. Looking back now that doesn't seem likely, since I think Rey was holding a woman's hand when she watched Luke's ship leave; she was still alive when Luke left. That leaves a lot of questions about where she's gone.

If she's a Kenobi, then there's plot trouble right away. She obviously couldn't be Ben's daughter, and in order for her parents to be old enough to conceive her after Return of the Jedi they would have had to have been born shortly after Obi Wan hermited himself away in Revenge of the Sith. What are the odds he would find someone on a remote desert scumhole so quickly? When he was supposed to be resigning himself to staying hidden and watching over Luke?

Ben's described and shown as nothing but a hermit who lives in isolation- there's no trace of any children or partners having been around for years. This means for whatever reason he would have abandoned his family well before A New Hope took place with no reasonable explanation.

It also doesn't make sense in any way for Rey to have been abandoned by her parents when Luke went into hiding, or why she had such a connection with Luke that she would suffer abandonment issues after his departure. The only non-paternal relationship I can think of is that Luke was training her as her master, but again, this doesn't explain why her parents left her.

She's obviously Luke's daughter. She even looks like a combination of Mark Hammil and Natalie Portman.

She could be Satine and and Obi Wan's granddaughter. There is certainly enough fan fiction about that.

I doubt they would pick her out of the TV show but at least that way you have a canon relationship that Kenobi had.
 
Nah, they have one that's all about the tech and the gear in the movie. Pretty sure these pages are from that.

There are two. A visual cross section for ships and machinery. Then a visual dictionary more pertaining to characters and props.

I used to get all of them when I was younger. Kind of want to get these tbh.
 
She could be Satine and and Obi Wan's granddaughter. There is certainly enough fan fiction about that.

I doubt they would pick her out of the TV show but at least that way you have a canon relationship that Kenobi had.
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Even though with the word granddaughter, Satine dies way too early for that to be a possibility.
 
There are two. A visual cross section for ships and machinery. Then a visual dictionary more pertaining to characters and props.

I used to get all of them when I was younger. Kind of want to get these tbh.

Can link the one for the characters? I haven't seen that. That's even
It's up my alley.
 
What if... Rey and Kylo are twins? Luke bet on the wrong horse.
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If Rey is Han's daughter I am 100% sure that Han didn't even know.
Let's be serious. Han is not the type of guy to attend his own kids birth or fly Leia to the hospital in 12 parsecs.
Therefor the twin theory and Rey being Ben's sister seem totally viable.
There's a 10 year age difference between the two.


Is Kylo a title like Darth?

As in, he's Kylo Ren, not Darth Ren?
Darth is just a name that some have adopted. What I saw somewhere else and makes sense to me is that Kylo is taken from SKYwalker and SoLO.

Something that I found about Who was looking after Rey.

It seems unlikely that Lor San Tekka, the man with the key to finding Luke and (maybe) Luke's daughter were living on the same planet. I believe that Tekka was put on Jakku to keep an eye on Rey, similar to how Obi-Wan watched over Luke on Tatooine. When the time was right, maybe Tekka was meant to reunite Luke and Rey, using the map he was provided. Since Kylo and the First Order killed him, a different path had to be forged to reunite father and daughter.

edit: Tekka did seem to know about the force and luke.

This seems like a good possiblity and one I've imagined since I saw it Friday.

- Luke trained Kylo.
- Kylo is not that much older than Rey.
- Kylo goes to the darkside when he was Luke's apprentice.
- If Luke had a child he would've had Rey while he was training new Jedi's.
- So Han and Leia would know.

Kylo is 10 years older than Rey and was already leaning towards the dark side before Han and Leia sent him to Luke to try and save him from falling to the dark side.

It's entirely possible the daughter was known about but thought to be killed during the uprising that's of course assuming the woman who was Rey's mother was with Luke at the temple and not elsewhere, I still have to imagine Luke was away when it happened or he would've been able to stop it, maybe he was visiting his wife and child. If he didn't train her then perhaps his wife did, I'm sticking with the Mara Jade analog (who they could eventually make a movie about) but then shit happened and she was killed too but Rey is saved, Luke hides her away until she's ready but in doing so blocks her memory which leads to her force abilities going dormant until it awakens again in the movie.

Rey being Luke's daughter is the most boring option out the possible plots. they should rename the movie to Skywalkers' Wars.
Who Rey's father is doesn't need to be exciting or a twist or anything, it doesn't prevent the "Kenobi twist" either since Ben could've had a daughter. But I really doubt they'd draw from the cartoon even if it is canon.

Luke's Jedi temple is pretty similar to what happens in the EU. But with different character of course.

It says Rey was born 5 years after the battle of Endor. So if Luke is the father when did he find time to meet a love interest

Where does it say Rey was born five years after Endor? It's been 30 (or 32) years, Rey is not 25/27, she's around Luke's age when his journey started in the first movie, 19-20.
 
I mean, if we're gonna try linking Rey to T.V. series people, there's one possible candidate and that's Kanan.


Though, I've only watched clips of Rebels and from what I've seen, he's got pretty wimpy skills. Also, TV person = immediate write off lol


Also, just thought of another thread title for the next one: Spoiler Thread #3: Talking Rey, All Day, Everyday
 
The 10 year difference something confirmed in the book? Pretty stupid considering they pretty much look the same age.

Kylo Ren's age as being 29-30 was confirmed by Pablo Hidalgo, one of the members of Lucas Film's story group. Rey is listed as being born 11 years after the Battle of Endor in the The Visual Dictionary of the movie, it's also written by Pablo Hidalgo. There's also a similar age difference between Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver at around like nine and a half years.

There's approximately a 30 year gap between the Battle of Endor and when TFA takes place.
 
At the end of the movie when Rey returned to the Resistance base, Rey and Leia looked at each other like they haven't seen each other for a long long time and embraced with this sustained hug. To my knowledge that is suppose to be the first time Leia and Rey have ever met. Now Leia's action would be understandable because her hubby lost his life saving this girl, but why would Rey reciprocate like that to a total stranger?

Therefore I'm in the camp that Leia already knows who Rey is, and I would even say that Rey knows or at least force feels who Leia is (a close relative).
 
One thing that really does bug me about Snoke being Darth Plagueis is the fact that John Williams used the same choir theme that he did during the Episode 3 retelling of Plagueis legend by Palpatine to Anakin.

It could be a red herring, but that's a pretty damn strange red herring to have.

And if it is Plagueis, was Palpatine really so much stronger than him that he stayed in hiding for all those years, or was he afraid of Vader? Too badly hurt from getting killed and revived by Palpatine? This is infinitely more fascinating to me than the mystery of Rey's parents, really.
 
Something that I found about Who was looking after Rey.

It seems unlikely that Lor San Tekka, the man with the key to finding Luke and (maybe) Luke's daughter were living on the same planet. I believe that Tekka was put on Jakku to keep an eye on Rey, similar to how Obi-Wan watched over Luke on Tatooine. When the time was right, maybe Tekka was meant to reunite Luke and Rey, using the map he was provided. Since Kylo and the First Order killed him, a different path had to be forged to reunite father and daughter.

edit: Tekka did seem to know about the force and luke.

It also seems very unlikely that Rey would just happen to stop by the one building in the entire galaxy that contains a working lightsaber but here we are.
 
One thing that really does bug me about Snoke being Darth Plagueis is the fact that John Williams used the same choir theme that he did during the Episode 3 retelling of Plagueis legend by Palpatine to Anakin.

It could be a red herring, but that's a pretty damn strange red herring to have.

And if it is Plagueis, was Palpatine really so much stronger than him that he stayed in hiding for all those years, or was he afraid of Vader? Too badly hurt from getting killed and revived by Palpatine? This is infinitely more fascinating to me than the mystery of Rey's parents, really.

Perhaps he was still reviving himself, he didn't look so fresh in TFA, and remember, he was the first one to experiment with these powers, so there's a lot of trial and error involved.
 
At the end of the movie when Rey returned to the Resistance base, Rey and Leia looked at each other like they haven't seen each other for a long long time and embraced with this sustained hug. To my knowledge that is suppose to be the first time Leia and Rey have ever met. Now Leia's action would be understandable because her hubby lost his life saving this girl, but why would Rey reciprocate like that to a total stranger?

Therefore I'm in the camp that Leia already knows who Rey is, and I would even say that Rey knows or at least force feels who Leia is (a close relative).

Uhh dude if you share a thing with someone (affection for Han and grief for his death) and that person wants a hug, you hug them back.
 
I have a big issue with Luke, the last Jedi, the strongest man alive not being able to protect his own daughter and having to hide her for 15 years or so away from him, instead of training and teaching her. I understand hiding her while he was away on some mission, but him going all depressive because of Kylo and abandoning his own daughter after he also grew without parents?
 
Rey being Luke's daughter is the most boring option out the possible plots. they should rename the movie to Skywalkers' Wars.

But it's the one that makes sense.

The Episodes are space operas about the Skywalker family.

If you want things outside of that go see the other movies and the expanded universe stuff.
 
But if she's Luke's child that opens up interesting questions in regards to her mother. She's not accounted for, which first led me to suspect that she could have been one of the Jedi in Luke's new order and was killed along with the others. This would really give Luke's reclusion afterward a lot more personal weight. Looking back now that doesn't seem likely, since I think Rey was holding a woman's hand when she watched Luke's ship leave; she was still alive when Luke left. That leaves a lot of questions about where she's gone.

Don't think that was a woman. It was the guy who gave rations for parts in the junk yard.
 
I think highly unlikely. The filmmakers of the new trilogy seem to want to wipe the PT from everyone's minds so no way will they have a character first introduced in ROTS.

I actually think there are lots of references to the prequel trilogy, but they're not nearly as overt and direct as the original trilogy references. Reyn struggling to kill Han reminded me a lot of Anakin massacring the younglings- in both cases, it was the defining moment when they chose to be fully consumed by the dark side. The clone troopers are also explicitly referenced, and Coruscant is even shown again. Ren looks an awful lot like Natalie Portman, which was obviously deliberate if she's Luke's daughter. For all the talk about emulating the original trilogy style, the movie also looks much more similar to the prequels in terms of how saturated and vivid it is.

I interpreted it as being that the original films were the basis for this one, but Abrams openly wove in things he liked about the prequels here and there.
 
Maybe if you ignore Kenobi, Yoda and all the other Jedi.

Well I never said the prequels handled it all that well.

But the main structure to the entire series is that focuses on the journey of Anakin and his fall and the rise of Luke and then...To have it be about someone elses family or whatever would be a huge mess bigger than the prequels.

It would be like having Romeo and Juliet suddenly be about some third un known family and guy in the third act.
 
None of whom were the main character.

Which is fine, because you already have 2 Skywalkers as main characters in the new trilogy. Rey being a Skywalker means there is no other damn Jedi in the universe except for Skywalkers, which is damn boring.

Well I never said the prequels handled it all that well.

But the main structure to the entire series is that focuses on the journey of Anakin and his fall and the rise of Luke and then...To have it be about someone elses family or whatever would be a huge mess bigger than the prequels.

It would be like having Romeo and Juliet suddenly be about some third un known family and guy in the third act.

No, it would be like the sequel of Romeo and Juliet being their boy falling in love with a girl from another family instead of his sister (which would be a reference to ANH, I know, but still awkward).
 
Which is fine, because you already have 2 Skywalkers as main characters in the new trilogy. Rey being a Skywalker means there is no other damn Jedi in the universe except for Skywalkers, which is damn boring.

Well they were killed in the prequels.

Who knows what the plot for VIII will be... maybe there will be more Jedi.
 
I actually think there are lots of references to the prequel trilogy, but they're not nearly as overt and direct as the original trilogy references. Reyn struggling to kill Han reminded me a lot of Anakin massacring the younglings- in both cases, it was the defining moment when they chose to be fully consumed by the dark side. The clone troopers are also explicitly referenced, and Coruscant is even shown again. Ren looks an awful lot like Natalie Portman, which was obviously deliberate if she's Luke's daughter. For all the talk about emulating the original trilogy style, the movie also looks much more similar to the prequels in terms of how saturated and vivid it is.

I interpreted it as being that the original films were the basis for this one, but Abrams openly wove in things he liked about the prequels here and there.

Coruscant does not appear in this movie.

"Looks like Natalie Portman" is a real stretch especially given how little Adam Driver looks like Han or Leia.

Yar, Obi-Wan Kenobi was blatantly the main character of The Phantom Menace.

You wish. He spends like twenty minutes of the film sitting on the ship waiting bored while Qui-Gon recruits Ani. We can have the conversation but "blatantly"?
 
By the way, can anyone explain exactly what happened to Kylo at the end of his fight with Rey? It was dark and very fast, but it looked like she severed something with the last blow, but it was unclear if it was a limb or just part of his mask "apparatus." It's kind of like Obi Wan cutting Anakin's arms and legs off within a few frames in Revenge of the Sith... you'd have to slow it down to see exactly what happened.
 
Not sure why people are still trying to argue that Rey isn't Luke's daughter. Disney confirmed that the mainline movies are about the generations of the Skywalker line. It would be odd for them to say that, and after the prequels and originals followed a Skywalker for the main character of the sequel trilogy to be unrelated.
 
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