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[FeD.nL]

Sure that's all cool little callbacks and stuff but what's the actual narrative reason for her to related to kenobi? Like what would the audience gain from learning that kenobi had a secret family
no one knew about? I guess I just don't get why this over her being a skywalker, besides it being kinda cool.

Well first of all it would make an interesting story for the eventual Obi-Wan spin-off.

In terms of this trilogy, it would make sense for Luke to be protective over a descendent of Obi-Wan. Perhaps even adopt her as his own, sending her away when things go bad and not wanting to see another Kenobi die at the hands of his family.

But when Rey comes back to give him his father's lightsaber as Obi-Wan did all these years ago he knows what he must do.

And remember Kylo has been attracted to the dark side probably since birth. This we learn in the conversation Han and Leia were having in this film. So for Luke to have a kid when his father succumbed to the dark side and seeing his sister's son fall to the dark side as well would be quite a leap for the character.

 

[JB1981]

To be fair he does say he was trained by Count Dookie

 

[neorej]

To be fair he does say he was trained by Count Dookie

But Grievous was no Force-sensitive.

 

[Jobbs]

But Grievous was no Force-sensitive.

I've always explained Grievous' ability to duel with lightsabers vs. Jedi by pointing to the fact that he's not human and seems to be mostly machine.

Spoiler

That and it's a prequel, the same shit that has Jar jar, so who gives a fuck.

I hope we get to see a lightsaber creation in Episode 8, and maybe have Rey construct something similar to her stick where she choose yellow to reminds her of Jakku.

I don't think Rey has warm fuzzy feelings for Jakku. Did we watch the same movie?

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Well first of all it would make an interesting story for the eventual Obi-Wan spin-off.

In terms of this trilogy, it would make sense for Luke to be protective over a descendent of Obi-Wan. Perhaps even adopt her as his own, sending her away when things go bad and not wanting to see another Kenobi die at the hands of his family.

But when Rey comes back to give him his father's lightsaber as Obi-Wan did all these years ago he knows what he must do.

And remember Kylo has been attracted to the dark side probably since birth. This we learn in the conversation Han and Leia were having in this film. So for Luke to have a kid when his father succumbed to the dark side and seeing his sister's son fall to the dark side as well would be quite a leap for the character.

I don't think Luke having a kid would be a leap at all, she would've been born well before Ben fell.

 

[Nostremitus]

I've always explained Grievous' ability to duel with lightsabers vs. Jedi by pointing to the fact that he's not human and seems to be mostly machine.

Spoiler

That and it's a prequel, the same shit that has Jar jar, so who gives a fuck.

You mean Darth Bink's playing the long con.

 

[neorej]

I've always explained Grievous' ability to duel with lightsabers vs. Jedi by pointing to the fact that he's not human and seems to be mostly machine.

Spoiler

That and it's a prequel, the same shit that has Jar jar, so who gives a fuck.

Agreed, but the question was if a non-Force-user could handle a Lightsaber. The answer is yes.

 

[Deleted member 18827]

I don't mind the theory of Rey being a Solo. Kylo couldn't bring himself to kill her at the academy so dumps her on a remote planet and mind wipes her so Snoke never finds out. Han and Leia have an instant affinity for her because she reminds them of their, thought to be, dead daughter. Kylo lost because despite everything he was holding back and still couldnt kill his little sister.

Makes more sense then Luke dumping his daughter off to scrounge for living in the desert.

 

[duckroll]

Or how Maz is really Yoda's bastard daughter born out of a fling he had with a Twi'lek

I think Maz is older than Yoda...

 

[CasualTR]

As predictable as it may be, Rey is likely related to Luke. She would have been with him when Kylo went Psycho, then luke dumped her on Jakku for her safety. Perhaps Kylo was jealous and thought that there was some favouritism, which caused him to turn (rey talks about how he is afraid he will never live up to a skywalker, Anakin.) He wouldnt have recognised her due to the time post that event.

However, i am getting slightly tired of the 'I am your (family member)!' trope in the series now.

 

[Nostremitus]

I think Maz is older than Yoda...

Yoda is Maz' son with Salacious B. Crumb?

 

[Ushojax]

Yoda is Maz' son with Salacious B. Crumb?

explain Yaddle

 

[WanderingWind]

Goddamn did the prequels suck.

 

[davepoobond]

just got back from watching it. i liked it, but i'm a little bit lost in the bigger political story of what was going on. they didnt seem to care to flesh that out, obviously, they just wanted to set it up like it was in the original trilogy.

i hope they take more time to explain this stuff in the next main episode.

the movie visually looked a bit more like the prequels than I had hoped. I was hoping it'd be more film-looking rather than CG-shiny-looking. lots of stuff looked "clean" or "sanitized" and not dirty like the OT.

the ending shot was stupid, with the high speed helicopter shot and her holding out the lightsaber like a buffoon.


the best fight scene was the storm trooper with the anti-lightsaber weapon. that guy was awesome. the shot with Fin fighting dudes while Po was in there doing stuff was a great scene, and probably the most inspired thing happening in the whole movie. the rest of it didn't really hit that high except for the Han Solo death, but I saw it coming.

Kylo Ren was a neat character, but every time he took off his mask he looked like some hair band reject and his hair was always "perfect" after taking it off. He should have been bald or at least very short hair and it wouldn't have been as distracting for me.

 

[FeD.nL]

I don't think Luke having a kid would be a leap at all, she would've been born well before Ben fell.

That's not what I was saying. Han says; "He has too much vader in him" where Leia responds "that's why I sent him to Luke". So even Leia felt Ben being influenced by the dark side from a very young age. Later Han even remarks that Luke couldn't turn him to the light side.

We know that there is around a 10 year age difference between Ben and Rey so Luke has been intensively working with Ben during that time and seen and felt his sister's son slowely succumb to the dark side. And during that time he fathered a child?

 

[ArmGunar]

Rey isn't Luke's daughter but she can help him make one.

Spoiler

I feel horrible

Ahaha you killed me ^^

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

So was it ever possible in the Star Wars universe to be able to wield a lightsaber expertly without being a Jedi?

I guess anyone who is skilled with a weapon could wield one well enough. Finn doesn't do too bad for someone who has never held one before, but it seems like his training in the First Order was more with blaster, than anything else.

Then you have Rey who holds her own against Kylo. Rey was pretty good with her staff near the start of the movie, so she has clearly had a few fights in her time, growing up on Jakku, so that must have helped her and being strong in the force gave her an advantage too.

But with Rey there is speculation that she is Luke's daughter (seem's likely) and she would have started her Jedi training when she was young but then when Kylo killed the other Jedi's in training, she might have had her memory wiped and left on Jakku to hide her and she is now slowly gaining some little bits back, thanks to the force.

I mean, she knew how to do the Jedi mind control on the Stormtrooper in her holding cell, so my guess is, she is slowly gaining little bits of her past training but Luke will end up training her to become a real Jedi now.

 

[PHOTOSHOP]

was there a reason why Kylo wears a mask?

 

[ArmGunar]

Yoda is Maz' son with Salacious B. Crumb?

Do we know the race of Yoda ?

 

[neorej]

On the lightsaber thing; I loved how Rey was still jabbing with the saber as if she was fighting with her staff. Details like that make this movie work.

 

[Ushojax]

was there a reason why Kylo wears a mask?

Vader cosplay

 

[linkboy]

was there a reason why Kylo wears a mask?

He wanted to be like Vader. He doesn't need one at all.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

That's not what I was saying. Han says; "He has too much vader in him" where Leia responds "that's why I sent him to Luke". So even Leia felt Ben being influenced by the dark side from a very young age. Later Han even remarks that Luke couldn't turn him to the light side.

We know that there is around a 10 year age difference between Ben and Rey so Luke has been intensively working with Ben during that time and seen and felt his sister's son slowely succumb to the dark side. And during that time he fathered a child?

We don't know how old Ben was when he was sent to Luke, I highly doubt it's been 20 years. We don't know how involved with Leia's life Luke has been after he started working on building a new Order or precisely when Ben's corruption began.

 

[davepoobond]

He wanted to be like Vader. He doesn't need one at all.

he does now, with that huge gash on his face

 

[mariachi507]

Not sure if this article has been posted but it breaks down a lot of problems with the story and how fans have turned a blind eye to the problems bc it's Star Wars and bc of the nostalgia.

I agree with the article in terms of the republic being destroyed. We were presented with a sad scene from the planets perspective followed up by some appropriate reactions. One minute later, it's not really brought up again (to my knowledge anyway).

I do believe the article is off base with its comments on Han and Kylo. It seems to imply that their confrontation does not hold any emotional weight because we are not shown their relationship beforehand, instead we are only told of it throughout the film. I could use that same argument to state that Obi-Wan and Vader's confrontation in ANH is emotionally stagnant for the same reasons, and we know that's not true. Han and Kylo worked for me strictly because of Ford and Driver's performances. I was completely sold on the parenting issues when I heard Han yell "Ben!". I really appreciate storytelling that doesn't show me everything and instead lets me connect the dots a bit which is something I thought The Force Awakens did well. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

I agree with the article in terms of the republic being destroyed. We were presented with a sad scene from the planets perspective followed up by some appropriate reactions. One minute later, it's not really brought up again (to my knowledge anyway).

I do believe the article is off base with its comments on Han and Kylo. It seems to imply that their confrontation does not hold any emotional weight because we are not shown their relationship beforehand, instead we are only told of it throughout the film. I could use that same argument to state that Obi-Wan and Vader's confrontation in ANH is emotionally stagnant for the same reasons, and we know that's not true. Han and Kylo worked for me strictly because of Ford and Driver's performances. I was completely sold on the parenting issues when I heard Han yell "Ben!". I really appreciate storytelling that doesn't show me everything and instead lets me connect the dots a bit which is something I thought The Force Awakens did well. Different strokes for different folks.

Yeah, you've basically summarised my thoughts on it too. They should have shown more of the Republic before Hosnian Prime's destruction. The truth is no one ever seemed that bothered about it, despite the fact they're supposedly holding the galaxy together. The First Order just destroyed the result of defeating the Empire and reintroducing democracy, yet no one really reacts to it. It's very reminiscent of Alderaan in the original.

I was totally sold on Han and Ben's relationship. I don't need to know all of that information. I expect we'll find out more in VIII but those scenes still worked without it.

 

[Sesuadra]

I was totally sold on Han and Ben's relationship. I don't need to know all of that information. I expect we'll find out more in VIII but those scenes still worked without it.

harrison ford was freakishly good in that scene and the look on his face when Leia said "but you are his father" I can't believe people were not sold on that >>

If a dying Han Solo touching Kylo's face in a forgiveness/love gesture doesn't hold any emotional weight, I don't know what does.

such an awesome little touch in such a big scene.

 

[KingSnake]

If a dying Han Solo touching Kylo's face in a forgiveness/love gesture doesn't hold any emotional weight, I don't know what does.

 

[Shaanyboi]

was there a reason why Kylo wears a mask?

He's an insecure Vader fanboy.

 

[Machina]

Just got back from my first viewing.

It was good. Han dying was predictable to an extent. Harrison Ford is just too old for the action shit now. Say what you want about Mark Hamill but the guy still knows how to act. The look on his face when he saw his fathers lightsaber in Rey's hand was a million bucks.

I think we may have seen the last of Leia in a semi major capacity as well. Fisher was alright but she was easily the least impressive of all the cast. She really didn't show enough emotion when she felt Han's death.

The debutants were all awesome. Daisy Ridley and John Boyega have some huge futures ahead of them.

 

[Eidan]

Rey's gotta be a Kenobi. It feels so right, logic be damned.

 

[Gozer the Gozerian]

Rey has got to be Lobot's daughter, right?

 

[FeD.nL]

We don't know how old Ben was when he was sent to Luke, I highly doubt it's been 20 years. We don't know how involved with Leia's life Luke has been after he started working on building a new Order or precisely when Ben's corruption began.

Except we know Ben was on a path to the dark side before he got sent to Luke. We also know from the novelization that Leia was aware Snoke was influencing Ben on a very young age:

He met her eyes steadily. "We've lost our son, forever." Leia bit her lower lip, refusing to concede. "No. It was Snoke." Han drew back slightly. "Snoke?"
She nodded. "He knew our child would be strong with the Force. That he was born with equal potential for good or evil."
"You knew this from the beginning? Why didn't you tell me?"
She sighed. "Many reasons. I was hoping that I was wrong, that it wasn't true. I hoped I could sway him, turn him away from the dark side, without having to involve you."
[SNIP]
"I thought I could shield him from Snoke's influence and you from what was happening."
[SNIP]
He had trouble believing what he was hearing. "So Snoke was watching our son."
"Always," she told him. "From the shadows, in the beginning, even before I realized what was happening, he was manipulating everything, pulling our son toward the dark side."

If Leia knew this we can be sure Luke knew this as well when Ben was sent to him. Luke would be the most selfish man in the galaxy if he fathered a child while this was going on. We're talking about the same Luke that was willing to sacrifice his life to turn his father back to the light.

 

[Galava]

I think Maz is older than Yoda...

Maz is 100-200 years older than Yoda. Yoda had 900ish in RotJ, Maz is said to have more than 1000. That's my guess.

 

[Machina]

Nien Nunb in the movie was cool but where was Lando

I think it was eluded to very subtly by Maz Kanata when Han asked her how she got Anakin's saber (the same one Luke lost in Bespin in his duel with Vader).

"That's a story for another time"

My theory is Lando was given it when he returned to Cloud City after RotJ and he passed it on to Maz. Lando definitely has some part to play in the next film, especially now that Han is gone. Chewie is in need of a co-pilot now that Rey is with Luke.

 

[Sesuadra]

when Maz called chewbacca her boyfriend I kind of lost it in the cinema. it was so unexpected

 

[Gray Matter]

Was it with Jedi going MIA when shit hits the fan?

 

[PintSizedSlasher]

If a dying Han Solo touching Kylo's face in a forgiveness/love gesture doesn't hold any emotional weight, I don't know what does.

One of my favorite moments along with the Kylo/Rey interrogation scene.
During the whole scene on the bridge the whole theatre was dead silent. No one coughing or eating their popcorn. Really strong moment.

 

[Loomba]

Was it with Jedi going MIA when shit hits the fan?

All wimps

 

[kurahador]

 

[Gozer the Gozerian]

Dat mane, dude looks like a motherfuckin lion

 

[half a moon]

Love that scene

 

[Machina]

Amazing scene. Mark and Daisy nailed it.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

He might not have said anything but goddammit, Luke Skywalker's back.

 

[Sesuadra]

and that's were the movie should have stopped. right before the stupid helicopter scene.

Spoiler

I really try to let it go. I really do >.<

 

[Atraveller]

Amazing scene. Mark and Daisy nailed it.

Yep.

 

[NumberThree]

Is there one for Rey grabbing the lightsaber over Kylo?

 

[Nostremitus]

Chewie is in need of a co-pilot now that Rey is with Luke.

Finn?

 

[Lifejumper]

Daisy ridley did an amazing job.

 

[Sesuadra]

Finn?

I hope so. he would suit the spot. but he can't fly..he could learn it from poe his bff.