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[neorej]

Problem is all the current canon books hit you over the head with how stupid they are.
Pretty much all the surviving imperial leaders in the books agree it was a stupid idea from day one...
And then they made a 3rd.

Yeah, they are a bit of overkill. I think it's better to invest all that Galactic Money in a half decent fleet that can carpetbomb a planet from orbit.

 

[KingSnake]

People that think Luke just left Rey on Jakku? Um.. Isn't that where Lor San Tekka is? Clearly the dude has been watching over Rey. He even knows who Kylo really is and clearly has a backstory with Leia.

She was scavenging for food. Awesome dad of the century right there, isn't he?

 

[Spiritreaver]

I swear I'm the only person who cares about capital ships in Star Wars.

 

[ProtomanNeo]

I find the Rey is a Kenobi kid a little odd. Kathleen Kennedy has said that the main films are about the Skywalker clan and no one else, and Rey is clearly the main character in the film. Also, though we don't know what all was thrown out Lucas had planned on telling the story of Vader's grandchildren (plural) so unless Finn is a Skywalker. All money is on Rey

 

[Inferno313]

Those of you who don't think Rey is a Skywalker, or at least trained at the academy? What are your interpretations of the vision?

To me, the only two logical things that vision could be showing are Rey's past, or the Lightsaber's past, anything else seems too random. We know it can't be the Lightsaber's past, because it seems like Luke hasn't had it since Bespin.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Is daisy related to Keira knieghtly because she looks a lot her. She even does the same thing with her mouth when she talks.

Also Rey is not a sky walker she has an English accent lol

 

[JetBlackPanda]

She was scavenging for food. Awesome dead of the century right there, isn't he?

Ok how about this. Kylo goes dark.. Kills lukes wife and order. In the chaos kylo steals Rey and puts her in hiding on Jakku hoping to turn her eventually. Luke sends Lor San Takka to look for her. Once he finds her on Jakku he lets the resistince know he has the map that Luke gave him, thus starting The Force Awakens. Luke probably knew that R2 has the other half.

 

[Azulsky]

Problem is all the current canon books hit you over the head with how stupid they are.

This one actually made the most sense the build. The First Order was probably massively underarmed compared to the Republic Fleet before they took out the Hosnian system. This one thing massively amplified their military power and it did it from insterstellar distances, which was a massive upgrade over the Death Stars.

The Emperor had a death grip on the galaxy before he spent the money and resources to build 2 Death Stars. He didnt really have a need to build either. He could have just let the fleets deal the with Rebels. The existence of the damn things was what unified the Rebellion to military action.

The EU is rife with superweapons and that is just a backdrop for the characters. Watching Fleet Battles ala Ep3 would get just as boring.

 

[Walshicus]

Ok how about this. Kylo goes dark.. Kills lukes wife and order. In the chaos kylo steals Rey and puts her in hiding on Jakku hoping to turn her eventually. Luke sends Lor San Takka to look for her. Once he finds her on Jakku he lets the resistince know he has the map that Luke gave him, thus starting The Force Awakens Luke probably knew that R2 has the other half.

But there's no indication that Kylo had met her before, is there?

 

[ProtomanNeo]

Is daisy related to Keira knieghtly because she looks a lot her. She even does the same thing with her mouth when she talks.

Also Rey is not a sky walker she has an English accent lol

She was raised on a planet with a lot of marooned Imperials, who have English accents.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

But there's no indication that Kylo had met her before, is there?

No but what is he going to say? I kid napped you? He has to lie and pretend he has never met her. He even tries to become her teacher.

 

[Perfect Cha0s]

But there's no indication that Kylo had met her before, is there?

He seemed unusually upset to find out that a girl was involved with the missing map leading to Luke.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

It's hard for me to believe that anyone would think the forced chemistry of Finn and Rey is better than the real on-screen chemistry of Han, Leia, and Luke. Han and Leia had serious sparks, and Han and Luke had a snarky rivalry that naturally turned into a good friendship. Finn and Poe's overdone bromance starts almost immediately after they meet because Poe is an obnoxiously upbeat Disney cartoon character. Rey is great as a character, Finn is great as a character, but together there's not much chemistry aside from Finn acting thirsty the whole movie. Their good acting skills make me believe they care about each other as friends, even though there's no reason for them to act that way since they just met. So it feels artificial.

TL;DR – ANH's character interplay works because they develop friendships/feelings for each other naturally as the audience watches. In TFA, Abrams forces emotional arcs to be compacted into unrealistic timeframes because he's got a lot of shit to stuff into the movie.

I liked the characters but this is spot on.

 

[FeD.nL]

Totally in team Rey Skywalker. Luke would have left her on a Jakku, planet with no force sensitives, completely in the backwater, so that Kylo would not get to her. Both her and Kylo have massive untapped potential/power with the Force(Rey taught herself to mind trick and Kylo froze a blaster bolt), which to me gives credence to her being in the Skywalker bloodline. Snoke is probably pretty powerful, expect we will get details on him from Luke as I would suspect he put that gash in his head.

My general theory regarding the future of the Jedi that they will follow is that they are going to move away from a pure Light/Dark dichotomy towards a model of internal balance for the individual. On the other hand they can just keep repeating the cycle but my thought is that Luke went to seek the original Jedi temple to understand how to deal with the never ending strife between Light/Dark because he sees the cycle repeating already.

Im kinda worried they are going to do a split narrative for the 2nd movie. Would honestly rather they just timeskip her training and then flashback to it as needed(ala Kill Bill). We dont need to see Rey carrying Luke on her back during training.

But she was left there at age 5. As I said before Snoke has been influencing Ben from a very young age as made clear in the novelization:

He met her eyes steadily. "We've lost our son, forever." Leia bit her lower lip, refusing to concede. "No. It was Snoke." Han drew back slightly. "Snoke?"
She nodded. "He knew our child would be strong with the Force. That he was born with equal potential for good or evil."
"You knew this from the beginning? Why didn't you tell me?"
She sighed. "Many reasons. I was hoping that I was wrong, that it wasn't true. I hoped I could sway him, turn him away from the dark side, without having to involve you."
[SNIP]
"I thought I could shield him from Snoke's influence and you from what was happening."
[SNIP]
He had trouble believing what he was hearing. "So Snoke was watching our son."
"Always," she told him. "From the shadows, in the beginning, even before I realized what was happening, he was manipulating everything, pulling our son toward the dark side."

So why would Luke keep his daughter close to him for five years while his sister's son is succumbing to the dark side right in front of his eyes? If Leia knew Snoke was corrupting Ben then we can be sure Luke knew as well. As I said before Luke would have to be the most selfish guy in the galaxy to have a kid while this is happening.

There is certainly some connection between Luke and Rey and that's where I think the Kenobi bloodline comes in. A child of the Kenobi bloodline would be hidden from Snoke. If Luke had child of his own then Snoke and Ben would definitely know about it. While a descendent of Obi-Wan would still be very special to Luke, so much so he could even adopt her as his own.

We know for sure during production a Kenobi kid was on the table. So it's not that weird for Rey to be that kid.

 

[shortsFortallPeople]

Those of you who don't think Rey is a Skywalker, or at least trained at the academy? What are your interpretations of the vision?

To me, the only two logical things that vision could be showing are Rey's past, or the Lightsaber's past, anything else seems too random. We know it can't be the Lightsaber's past, because it seems like Luke hasn't had it since Bespin.

I'm a firm believer that something along these lines happened: Luke was training some children, maybe a small group of kids that appeared to be force sensitive. Then, Ben went nutso and likely killed some folks, probably some of the other children in a fit of rage. Luke then exiles himself in shame and failure, because he probably thinks it's best to let the jedi and the usage of the force just fade into memory rather than to allow for another empire to happen. before he exiles himself, though, he drops off Rey, likely one of his students and more than likely his daughter, off at Jakku since unlike fucking stupid ass Yoda and Obiwan he thought it would be smart to leave a Skywalker in a place where no one has a fucking clue who she is for her own safety. Her mind was wiped of the memories of her youth and as far as she can recall her first real memory as a child is being left behind by her family at Jakku.

This would just about explain everything related to Rey's usage of the force in TFA.

 

[KingSnake]

Ok how about this. Kylo goes dark.. Kills lukes wife and order. In the chaos kylo steals Rey and puts her in hiding on Jakku hoping to turn her eventually. Luke sends Lor San Takka to look for her. Once he finds her on Jakku he lets the resistince know he has the map that Luke gave him, thus starting The Force Awakens. Luke probably knew that R2 has the other half.

Why didn't the greatest hero of the universe go himself to find his only daughter? Why didn't Lor San Takka stopped Rey from being practically a slave by taking her under his care or giving her some money? Why bet the life of your only daughter on some long shot plan?

 

[Rootbeer]

People that think Luke just left Rey on Jakku? Um.. Isn't that where Lor San Tekka is? Clearly the dude has been watching over Rey. He even knows who Kylo really is and clearly has a backstory with Leia.

If people think about the dialog he had with Kylo Ren it's clear he knows a lot about Ben's past, and by extension must know a fair bit about Rey. He's definitely keeping tabs on her in some way. I mean FFS he even had the missing piece to find Luke Skywalker so you KNOW he had an important role to play somehow or another.

 

[LTWheels]

Instead of being Obi-Wan's granddaughter, what about great-neice?

Get's around Obi having children issue and still provides a link.

 

[Magwik]

I don't mind Rey being Luke's kid, but it would feel kind of cheap. Her cousin would be Kylo Ren, her dad Luke Skywalker, and her aunt and uncle being Han and Leia. Not to mention that they vaguely left things open for interpretation on purpose (maybe they don't even know yet).

 

[VistraNorrez]

If Rey is a Kenobi, then I get the feeling they will ship her and Kylo. Then the next trilogy can be about a child that is both Skywalker and Kenobi. Talk about a chosen one.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Why didn't the greatest hero of the universe go himself to find his only daughter? Why didn't Lor San Takka stopped Rey from being practically a slave by taking her under his care or giving her some money? Why bet the life of your only daughter on some long shot plan?

good questions but the entire point of the resistance right now is to find Luke Skywalker it's in the opening crawl. The dude has to lay low. This would also explain why he would resort to such measures like leaving her on Jakku the daughter of Skywalker is just as dangerous.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Disney don't decide what films get made. Lucasfilm do that.

They want to try out different genres in the anthology films. Rogue One is supposed to be a more traditional war film without force users, though I still think Vader will get a brief cameo. They aren't going to hold crucial plot elements of the main saga in the spin-offs. They're supposed to be their own thing.

I think they want to stay away from the whole MCU everything's connected method. Just tell a good story with engaging characters.

It's not as though she'd be revealed as Reys mother in Rogue One. It's just that when she's shown in a flashback in VIII, you're able to make the connection.

How would they do it though? Not like they are going to recast young Luke, not to mention they wouldn't have had Rey until like 13 years later, even if they met after the events of rogue one.

Putting her in just so they can have a ' your mom was this character that was in the standalone' conversation during episode seems a bit odd.

I'd imagine she'll be killed via flashback in VIII.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

I don't mind Rey being Luke's kid, but it would feel kind of cheap. Her cousin would be Kylo Ren, her dad Luke Skywalker, and her aunt and uncle being Han and Leia. Not to mention that they vaguely left things open for interpretation on purpose (maybe they don't even know yet).

Well this is Episode VII it's a direct sequel to ROTJ. It's not Star Wars The New Adventures.

There are other movies coming that will explore the galaxy away from the skywalker and solos

 

[shortsFortallPeople]

I don't mind Rey being Luke's kid, but it would feel kind of cheap. Her cousin would be Kylo Ren, her dad Luke Skywalker, and her aunt and uncle being Han and Leia. Not to mention that they vaguely left things open for interpretation on purpose (maybe they don't even know yet).

Star Wars has basically been the story of the Skywalkers. OT was Luke, PT was Anakin. It's not hard to think that this trilogy would also follow a Skywalker.

I don't find it cheap so long as the star wars babies eventually peel off and do their own thing. If this trilogy becomes a series of half reboots of ANH, TESB, and ROTJ then it will be cheap and sucky.

 

[Perfect Cha0s]

Why didn't the greatest hero of the universe go himself to find his only daughter? Why didn't Lor San Takka stopped Rey from being practically a slave by taking her under his care or giving her some money? Why bet the life of your only daughter on some long shot plan?

If only we were getting a continuation of the story, right?

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

If people think about the dialog he had with Kylo Ren it's clear he knows a lot about Ben's past, and by extension must know a fair bit about Rey. He's definitely keeping tabs on her in some way. I mean FFS he even had the missing piece to find Luke Skywalker so you KNOW he had an important role to play somehow or another.

I think Lor and Maz were part of Luke's Jedi order. Maz may have been a sort of recruiter being able to see the force in people, and Lor a teacher of the history of the force (people are saying he's from the Curch of the Force).

 

[KingSnake]

If only we were getting a continuation of the story, right?

He would still be a shitty dad. There is no excuse to hold for 15 years in peace times with no Empire in sight.

 

[Rootbeer]

I don't mind Rey being Luke's kid, but it would feel kind of cheap. Her cousin would be Kylo Ren, her dad Luke Skywalker, and her aunt and uncle being Han and Leia. Not to mention that they vaguely left things open for interpretation on purpose (maybe they don't even know yet).

When Vader was revealed to be Luke's father, was that cheap? How about when Luke and Leia were revealed to be twins? How about when Anakin was just barely too late to save his mother from death, and even killed his own wife? If the answer to any of that is yes, then surely you understand what we are dealing with here... it's just part of Star Wars, or at least the Skywalker Saga branch of it. (Personally I would not say 'cheap' but it's got a certain heavyhanded sentiment to it)

Rey is gonna end up being related to someone important, I don't think it's avoidable anymore after all the evidence starts adding up.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

It's not as though she'd be revealed as Reys mother in Rogue One. It's just that when she's shown in a flashback in VIII, you're able to make the connection.

There's no guarantee everyone that watches the saga films will watch the spin-offs.

Kathy Kennedy has said they'll be separate.

“The Saga films focus on the Skywalker family saga. The stories follow a linear narrative that connects to the previous six films. The Force Awakens follows Return of the Jedi and continues that generational story. The Anthology films offer opportunities to explore fresh characters, new storylines, and a variety of genres inside the Star Wars universe.”

 

[borborygmus]

Just saw it yesterday. Movie's really not holding up for me.

- Rey is the most powerful Force user in history and nearly perfect in every way. Yes, this is a complaint that's been going around the net. To call this sexism is a really weak excuse and essentially ad hominem. It should go without saying that her gender is completely irrelevant to this.

The result is that her scenes completely lack any tension. There was no journey or development. She just aced every challenge with her initial set of skills and 1 quick realization about the Force.

- Maz is a prequel character in terms of design quality. The lightsaber locked away in a chest was cheesy and unexplained.

- Some of the CG was awful.

- Finn was so promising at the start, but then he revealed he was a sanitation employee on the Death Star 3. I was also hoping to find out more about him; instead, they completely wasted him by turning him into a snappy line machine.

- Phasma was so promising. Then she disabled the shields to Death Star 3 because time was time was running out and the movie needed to end.

- Kylo Ren was much more interesting (and powerful) in the first half of the movie.

- Death Star 3 is somehow even less interesting than expected and played totally straight. There's nothing to it.

- R2 wakes up for no discernible reason.

- Solo's death had a tiny impact that lasted 5min, after which Rey took his place at Chewbacca's side.

I'm beginning to wonder if JJ Abrams knows what character development is. Finn was a great premise but it just stopped evolving 5 minutes into the movie and was never even explained.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

I think Lor and Maz were part of Luke's Jedi order. Maz may have been a sort of recruiter being able to see the force in people, and Lor a teacher of the history of the force (people are saying he's from the Curch of the Force).

I did notice when Solo was talking to Maz she says "tell me about this girl" then it cuts away. What is Solo supposed to say? I just met her, she is pretty good at mechanica stuff. Everyone knows what's going on.

 

[Steel]

It's hard for me to believe that anyone would think the forced chemistry of Finn and Rey is better than the real on-screen chemistry of Han, Leia, and Luke. Han and Leia had serious sparks, and Han and Luke had a snarky rivalry that naturally turned into a good friendship. Finn and Poe's overdone bromance starts almost immediately after they meet because Poe is an obnoxiously upbeat Disney cartoon character. Rey is great as a character, Finn is great as a character, but together there's not much chemistry aside from Finn acting thirsty the whole movie. Their good acting skills make me believe they care about each other as friends, even though there's no reason for them to act that way since they just met. So it feels artificial.

TL;DR – ANH's character interplay works because they develop friendships/feelings for each other naturally as the audience watches. In TFA, Abrams forces emotional arcs to be compacted into unrealistic timeframes because he's got a lot of shit to stuff into the movie.

Agreed, it all felt rushed. There were time skips in ANH to account for a bit of Luke's training and some bonding time, too.

Poe and Finn's bonding over smoking Stormtroopers seems even more forced when you consider that just a little bit before they meet Finn's freaking out about a fellow stormtrooper dying. Seems completely inconsistent.

 

[DerZuhälter]

Is there any official statement about the lacking variety of ships? Somebody posted it was to avoid confusion, but was that officially stated by anyone?

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Is there any official statement about the lacking variety of ships? Somebody posted it was to avoid confusion, but was that officially stated by anyone?

I haven't read it yet but I recall someone saying it was mentioned in the art book for the film.

 

[shortsFortallPeople]

He would still be a shitty dad. There is no excuse to hold for 15 years in peace times with no Empire in sight.

Eh, not if you have a dangerous dark side user trying to kill you and anyone related to you. It's the same logic used with Leia and Luke: make sure the main badguy can't get to them for their own safety.

It's called sacrifice.

 

[Magwik]

When Vader was revealed to be Luke's father, was that cheap? How about when Luke and Leia were revealed to be twins? How about when Anakin was just barely too late to save his mother from death, and even killed his own wife? If the answer to any of that is yes, then surely you understand what we are dealing with here... it's just part of Star Wars, or at least the Skywalker Saga branch of it.

Rey is gonna end up being related to someone important, I don't think it's avoidable anymore after all the evidence starts adding up.

I guess cheap wasn't the best word. Thinking more on it I would rather say convient. Like I said, I don't actually mind if she is Luke's daughter or not, I would just rather it to in a slightly different direction with her being a Kenobi and being the adoptive daughter of Luke instead.

 

[Future PhaZe]

There's no guarantee everyone that watches the saga films will watch the spin-offs.

Kathy Kennedy has said they'll be separate.

“The Saga films focus on the Skywalker family saga. The stories follow a linear narrative that connects to the previous six films. The Force Awakens follows Return of the Jedi and continues that generational story. The Anthology films offer opportunities to explore fresh characters, new storylines, and a variety of genres inside the Star Wars universe.”

Rogue One is clearly separate. My point is that it doesn't matter if someone who exclusively watches the main Star Wars films has seen Rogue One or not--because Reys lineage is being explained either way. Rogue One will not cover anything invovling Felicity Jones' character meeting Luke or anything like that.

 

[KingSnake]

Eh, not if you have a dangerous dark side user trying to kill you and anyone related to you. It's the same logic used with Leia and Luke: make sure the main badguy can't get to them for their own safety.

It's called sacrifice.

That was happening at the height of the Empire with two of the biggest villains in charge and not supposedly after the New Republic has won the war and was ruling over a big part of the galaxy.

And Leia and Luke weren't left to be scavengers for food.

 

[FloatOn]

Guys what if Rey is adopted?

maybe Luke finds this random orphan girl that is obviously inherently gifted with the force. He takes her into the Jedi Academy and trains her as a child. The shit goes down with Kylo Ren and company killing the Jedi Academy but Luke and whoever takes the sole survivor, the orphan girl to Jakku to hide her away.

It carries the emotional weight of her being connected to Luke but also satisfies the anyone can be a hero thing.

 

[neorej]

I just want to take a moment to appreciate the beauty that is Daisy Ridley.

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Okay, carry on.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Rogue One is clearly separate. My point is that it doesn't matter if someone who exclusively watches the main Star Wars films has seen Rogue One or not--because Reys lineage is being explained either way. Rogue One will not cover anything invovling Felicity Jones' character meeting Luke or anything like that.

“The Saga films focus on the Skywalker family saga. The stories follow a linear narrative that connects to the previous six films. The Force Awakens follows Return of the Jedi and continues that generational story. The Anthology films offer opportunities to explore fresh characters, new storylines, and a variety of genres inside the Star Wars universe.”

Just in case there was any doubt about who Rey's father is, I think she cleared it up nicely. :lol

 

[Steel]

Guys what if Rey is adopted?

maybe Luke finds this random orphan girl that is obviously inherently gifted with the force. He takes her into the Jedi Academy and trains her as a child. The shit goes down with Kylo Ren and company killing the Jedi Academy but Luke and whoever takes the sole survivor, the orphan girl to Jakku to hide her away.

It carries the emotional weight of her being connected to Luke but also satisfies the anyone can be a hero thing.

You know, with Disney themselves saying that the Saga Star Wars films follow the Skywalker family and her insane force powers, and her being called to Luke's lightsaber, I don't think there's any doubt that she's Lukes daughter.

 

[Inferno313]

Just in case there was any doubt about who Rey's father is, I think she cleared it up nicely. :lol

I agree that Luke is Rey's father, but technically she could not be and this statement could still be true considering Kylo is a Skywalker.

 

[JB1981]

Can all of ushojax's post really be immediately gleaned from the film? Mad max did a great job of exposition-less world building, the best I've seen in a long time

But this just seemed really lost in the momentum and cutting scenes out. Maybe it's on me tho, I'm watching it again later today anyways.

Basically none of what he posted is made explicit in the movie at all. The opening crawl is essentially the extent of it.

 

[Forkball]

 

[Skellig Gra]

Just in case there was any doubt about who Rey's father is, I think she cleared it up nicely. :lol

It doesn't really. Ben Solo is part of the Skywalker family and he is clearly going to be a focal point.

 

[JB1981]

But there's no indication that Kylo had met her before, is there?

There's quite a bit of indication in the movie and the novelization confirms it.

 

[The One and Done™]

I just want to take a moment to appreciate the beauty that is Daisy Ridley.





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Okay, carry on.

Yeah she's gorgeous and from her interviews she very endearing. What a great cast.

 

[shortsFortallPeople]

That was happening at the height of the Empire with two of the biggest villains in charge and not supposedly after the New Republic has won the war and was ruling over a big part of the galaxy.

And Leia and Luke weren't left to be scavengers for food.

Eh, we don't know that she wasn't being watched over. Obi-wan was passively watching over Luke when he was shooting womp rats and working the farms and he didn't have any prior jedi training in his past.

If we assume that Rey was trained but doesn't recall it (and given how quick she took to the usage of the force in TFA it's a likely scenario) and if we assume that Faux-bi-wan was on Jakku to keep a passive eye on her then there wasn't much to be concerned over.

People are quick to shit on some of the quirks of TFA and forget that there's still two more movies coming.

 

[Jarmel]

I wonder if Luke will turn out to be a real asshole in VIII. If Rey is his daughter, he sorta just dumped her and left her. He should have known Han was probably fucked and similarly the whole deal with Starkiller.