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[Inferno313]

Obi-Wan did fall in love at least once though, Satine Kryze. Admittedly he never went any further with it.

Lucas also said that Jedi weren't celibate. Only attachment was forbidden.

So what you're telling me is, if you're a Jedi, it's all about those one-night stands?

 

[Netherscourge]

I don't think Luke was beholden to the hardcore Jedi rules. His father sure as hell wasn't.

If he was among the last Jedi after Obi Wan died, he could just create any new Jedi Denominational rules he wanted. Or none at all.

Not to mention that Obi Wan lied to his face about his father, so he doesn't need to maintain any status quo.

 

[Skellig Gra]

Obi-Wan did fall in love at least once though with Satine Kryze. Admittedly he never went any further with it as far as we know.

Lucas also said that Jedi weren't celibate. Only attachment was forbidden.

So what do they use for their booty calls? Is there a Jedi Tinder? Jender?

 

[dragonyeuw]

What I'm hoping for most regarding Rey is that if she does turn out to be a Skywalker, Johnson has the good sense to not treat it like a huge "I am your father" reveal. He should follow Abrams' example with Ren and just address it and move on.

That plot swerve wouldn't work today, too many people already suspect that Luke and Rey are father-daughter. No-one saw the Vader/Luke thing coming back in 1980. I mean heck, if you've even remotely followed the pre-release happenings of TFA, Kylo Ren was rumored to be either Luke's Kid, Han/Leia's, or Luke himself, so the family lineage 'reveal' in the new movie didn't impact. It was more like 'oh, ok so they're going that route'.

 

[Kor of Memory]

If Rey is indeed Luke's daughter, I hope she slices the hell out of him in Episode VIII.

Because the only sane reason for him to abandon her as a slave for so many years is either him being insane or her being drawn to the dark side.

Unless he didn't abandon her.

He might think she is dead. Or might not even know she existed in the first place.

It could be something they discover together...

 

[UltimaPooh]

If Rey is indeed Luke's daughter, I hope she slices the hell out of him in Episode VIII.

Because the only sane reason for him to abandon her as a slave for so many years is either him being insane or her being drawn to the dark side.

Again. Her leaving Luke or being sent away does not equal his directly involvement with what went down on Jakku or the events that led her there.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

So what you're telling me is, if you're a Jedi, it's all about those one-night stands?

 

[Raven117]

Isn't Luke being the father also a mind wiping theory? On the Falcon Rey and Finn act like Luke Skywalker is just a myth and not real.

Good point...

"Upon the trama of seeing Kylo kill the jedi trainees under Luke, Rey, daughter of Luke, experienced severe trauma and thus, blocked out all memory. Luke, seeing his daughter no longer remember anything, decides he may be able to protect her by putting her on Jakku with that old dude...and keep her out of the "force" fights. The Force "Awakens" as time goes on...

HEHE, try that!

For Finn, it could be a rumor.

 

[Netherscourge]

So what do they use for their booty calls? Is there a Jedi Tinder? Jender?

Maybe they Force-Masturbate?

Better than your left hand I suppose?

lol

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[sphagnum]

So what you're telling me is, if you're a Jedi, it's all about those one-night stands?

Funny enough, probably yes. It's never been addressed for the obvious reason that it's a family friendly franchise (generally).

I've always assumed they have sex with droids to be honest. I think if the franchise was allowed to be a bit more mature, it would be an interesting area to delve into.

 

[Kor of Memory]

Maybe they Force-Masturbate?

Better than your left hand I suppose?

lol

Sorry, couldn't resist.

OH man.... Force Choke just got a whole lot more interesting...

 

[Gonzalez]

If Rey is indeed Luke's daughter, I hope she slices the hell out of him in Episode VIII.

Because the only sane reason for him to abandon her as a slave for so many years is either him being insane or her being drawn to the dark side.

I swear I remember Obi-Wan giving a female Jedi "fuck me" eyes during one of the counsel meetings in Episode One.

 

[btrboyev]

If Rey is indeed Luke's daughter, I hope she slices the hell out of him in Episode VIII.

Because the only sane reason for him to abandon her as a slave for so many years is either him being insane or her being drawn to the dark side.

she's not a slave.

 

[The Chef]

The Bad

Harrison Ford - Easily the worst part of the movie.​

​

Stopped reading right here so I apologize for not commenting on the rest of your post.​

 

[Tesseract]

don't just stare at it, press the button

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

Thanks for saying this. Even now I can't think what the map had to do with the Starkiller base and attack on the republic.

I think the lack of cohesion with those two plot points bugged the hell out of me.

The First Order's main motivations were to find Luke Skywalker. After all, with Luke around, they had little chance of winning, especially since he and his crew took out the Empire. Snook also didn't want a Jedi training more force users because that would outnumber him and Kylo who was not even considered a sith yet.

The Republic was standing in the First Order's way at every turn by sending the Resistance. The First Order used their ultimate weapon to take down the Republic to cripple the Resistance and to make galaxy domination that much easier. Without the Republic, it would only be a matter of time before the Resistance would fall with their limited numbers and resources. The Resistance entire fleet went to attack Star Killer base, by the end there were only 5 or 6 ships left.

 

[TheOfficeMut]

I have yet to see the movie but is Han's death as bad as Maul being sliced in half? If not, I hope the next few movies show more grotesque deaths. Not to say that Maul's death scene was particularly gruesome (it wasn't), but I'd like for some deaths to be really fucked up. I'm talking about Resident Evil movie fucked up where that guy is cut into tiny pieces in that hallway. lol

 

[K' Dash]

Ben was killed by Vader, though.


My theory on that he that Snoke kills him.

I think you need to see the movie again

 

[AGITΩ]

The only plausibility I can give towards the Kenobi relation to Rey theory is the fact that they still can use the character. By which I mean, there's the 3rd Anthology movie that we know nothing about. And back in summer, there were rumors popping up that Ewan McGregor was in talks for an Obi-Wan film. If they do make a first about him in between the events of ROTS and ANH then that could shine a light on the matter.

 

[KingSnake]

Unless he didn't abandon her.

He might think she is dead. Or might not even know she existed in the first place.

It could be something they discover together...

Again. Her leaving Luke or being sent away does not equal his directly involvement with what went down on Jakku or the events that led her there.

Him not searching for his daughter or going after the Dark side that supposedly killed his daughter it's also a good motive to have him sliced by Rey in Episode VIII.

she's not a slave.

Right, not exactly a slave, she just scavenges for food.

 

[Gonzalez]

I have yet to see the movie but is Han's death as bad as Maul being sliced in half? If not, I hope the next few movies show more grotesque deaths. Not to say that Maul's death scene was particularly gruesome (it wasn't), but I'd like for some deaths to be really fucked up.

Charred flesh is actually handled pretty well. Probably one of the best visual aspects of the movie.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

I have yet to see the movie but is Han's death as bad as Maul being sliced in half? If not, I hope the next few movies show more grotesque deaths. Not to say that Maul's death scene was particularly gruesome (it wasn't), but I'd like for some deaths to be really fucked up. I'm talking about Resident Evil movie fucked up where that guy is cut into tiny pieces in that hallway. lol

No, it's not as bad as that. They're 12A / PG-13 so there is a limit.

 

[Einchy]

Stopped reading right here so I apologize for not commenting on the rest of your post.

That's the first time I've seen someone say Harrison Ford was bad at Han.

I believe the Red Letter Media review said something along the lines of, "it's the first time he has tried in decades" which is a sentiment that I've seen a lot since the movie came out.

Now, Carrie Fisher on the other hand...

 

[btrboyev]

Finally saw this last night! I have a lot to say and no where else to say it, so I'm gonna just vomit it out now. I will say that overall, I really liked it, but there were points that rubbed me wrong. I'll start with the bad and get that out of the way. It may seem like I didn't like it at first, but lemme get this out of my system before going off on what I did like.

The Bad

Harrison Ford - Easily the worst part of the movie. Look, I love Han Solo, but Jesus Christ man, if he didn't want to play the character again he could have just ignored the dump truck of money they likely backed up to his house and said "Thanks, but I'll pass". He phoned it in probably 90% of his screen time. He was god damned awful and I felt nothing for his character in the way I was supposed to. Where was the emotion when it came to his son? I never got a glimpse into the pain he felt from what happened in the past, nor did he seem like he carried any of it with him into his on-screen self. He was just a crochety old man, and when he died, I felt nothing for him. That's Ford's fault. There was some nuance to his performance I appreciated, but I'll touch on that later.

Plot rehashing - Naive-yet-force-strong kid/young adult on a desert planet is thrust into adventure? I get where they're going with this, even if we've kind of done it twice already. A neo-Cantina/Jabba's Palace party scene when they go see Han's tiny-yet-wise goggle-eyed friend? OK, she's not quite Yoda, so I guess it's different enough. But the main battle surrounding the destruction of another Death Star? Even the movie makes fun of this in the battle planning scene. Would have been kind of nice if the good guys didn't manage to blow it up if they were going to go that route. You could make the argument that the movie isn't really about this conflict, and you'd be right, but it's there to provide a greater sense of threat. The stakes are supposed to feel high, but instead, it just feels like we've been here before. And we have -- twice.

Sudden expertise - Kylo Ren's introduction establishes him as a powerhouse. Dude immediately does stuff with the force we've never seen and with seeming ease. So why, then, is Finn able to fight so well against him? For that matter, why is Finn so quickly an expert with a lightsaber? Aren't they supposed to be difficult to wield? I guess it's possible he had some sort of training we don't know about with sword, but to go toe to toe with Kylo just seemed off color. That said, Rey all of the sudden being able to sword fight like a champion, even if Kylo is hurt, was even worse. They establish that she's proficient with a staff, but a lightsaber is not at all the same thing. Moving past that, she knows how to fly the Falcon, and almost as well as Solo? And, on top of that, she just starts kind of guessing at what her force powers might be? I don't mind that she was kind of discovering them as she went, but there were more subtle ways to go about it. It was just overall kind of hamfisted in this regard.

Pandering - There was a LOT of this, and it was kind of surprising. Too many "Hey look, it's that guy!" moments or "Hey, remember when this happened?" type spots. I don't mind a few, but this was a bit much. I won't belabor this point, I just hope they got it out of their system here.​

The Good

The new characters - Can't say enough good things about the new cast. Let's start with Finn. I love the idea of a Storm Trooper gone rogue. Great concept. But what I really liked about him was how he was both cool and incredibly awkward. They nailed that whole guy-out-of-his-element feeling, where you could see he didn't quite know how to interact with people the way a guy who grew up only training as a soldier would. Rey was pretty great, too. She's intelligent and capable, plus she seemingly has an emotional core we're going to have revealed to us as these movies go on. BB-8 was surprisingly good in the R2 role. But the character I'm most excited to see grow and change is Kylo Ren.

Kylo Ren - Dude gets his own section here. It's possible they're going to get right with him everything they got wrong with Anakin. They establish his power and darkness right away in the opening scene where he stops a laser, interrogates Poe while it's frozen, orders the village to be slaughtered, and doesn't let the laser go until you've probably forgotten about it. Then they show him struggling with the light-vs-dark and you get an actual sense that there's a deeper conflict. The interrogation scene with him and Rey is particularly good, as you can see his insecurities front and center. Finally giving into the dark side and killing Han actually means something because they took the entire movie showing you how hard it was to make this decision. Having a character give into the darkness means something when you can watch the descent and root against and/or for it. And the best part is, thanks to his established emotional complexity, it's still not clear he's completely evil. Great work on this character.

A sense of mystery - One of the mysteries I don't see people talking about much is Finn, and how Kylo Ren notices Finn in the village, knew later he was the defector, and then after that, he and Snoke talk about there being "an awakening". Those feel too directly connected. I honestly think Finn is going to end up being force capable, and it might explain his sudden proficiency with a lightsaber. But the elephant in the room is Rey, and who her parents might be. And to the writers' credit, they didn't clearly establish who it is, leaving clues to two schools of thought at the very least. Which is awesome. There were moments where Han looks at her with fatherly regret and/or pride in the Falcon. And just how did she know how to pilot the damn thing so well, and with no training? And the scene where Han and the little orange goggles/Yoda lady were talking where she asked "Who's the girl" was telling. Plus then you have Kylo Ren being somehow aware of her, and he's definitely a Solo. But then they allude that she might be Luke's, with the lightsaber calling to her, and when she turns the lightsaber on, playing Luke's theme. And her character parallels to Luke in general are maybe a clue. It was masterful. Then we have Snoke. Who is it? Is it a Sheev clone? Is it Darth Jar Jar? Is it the Trade Federation aliens? The villains as a whole are a good mystery. Who is that with Kylo Ren in Rey's vision? That's a big group. What is their history, what are they up to? They're not Sith? Did the Sith somehow survive or are they eliminated? It's nice to finally not know things again in the Star Wars universe.

A sense of adventure - Finn's journey across the desert and subsequent arrival at the watering pool had weight. Rey having never seen such a green planet before came across well, and the location there seemed full of history, even if we don't get to actually learn about it. The creatures in Solo's freighter were alien and otherworldly in a good way. The whole movie was about trying to locate Luke Skywalker and fighting over a map piece that contained his whereabouts, and then in the end...

Luke - That final scene was powerful. They have so much potential with him returning here. And I get the feeling Hamill actually wants to be part of this movie, unlike Ford. The Yoda parallels are strong, with the failure and self-imposed exile, but I'm praying they find a way to have him redeem himself that doesn't involve dying for a cause.​

Overall, I really liked it. They played it kind of safe, but I feel like they were laying the groundwork in a familiar fashion to hopefully go into a new territory. I love that there's so much I don't know going forward, and I'm glad the new cast of characters is so compelling. I have hope for this franchise for the first time in 15 years.

I don't usually call out poor opinions, but you aren't more wrong about Harrison. He nailed the role. He was Han Solo.

 

[Inferno313]

I have yet to see the movie but is Han's death as bad as Maul being sliced in half? If not, I hope the next few movies show more grotesque deaths. Not to say that Maul's death scene was particularly gruesome (it wasn't), but I'd like for some deaths to be really fucked up. I'm talking about Resident Evil movie fucked up where that guy is cut into tiny pieces in that hallway. lol

 

[Sectorseven]

Any relation to an existing character will have a ten page essay explaining the logic long before the next film comes out. It won't be a surprise, and they're clearly trying to surprise us.

The most "poetic" thing would be if she were the daughter of a villain.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Completely shot in the dark asspull predictions:

Kylo kills Snoke, assumes his place
Leia dies in a military operation lead by Kylo
Luke sacrifices himself for Rey (likely at Kylo's hands)
Rey kills Kylo.

Finn & Rey marry. Maz officiates.

 

[FloatOn]

Can we talk about the general feel they might go for in Episode 8?

will they go even darker? is someone else going to die?

or will it be a bit more light hearted this time around?

I think a big portion of the movie will focus on the training of Rey and Kylo so I don't know.

Maybe someone loses a limb

 

[Einchy]

I have yet to see the movie but is Han's death as bad as Maul being sliced in half? If not, I hope the next few movies show more grotesque deaths. Not to say that Maul's death scene was particularly gruesome (it wasn't), but I'd like for some deaths to be really fucked up. I'm talking about Resident Evil movie fucked up where that guy is cut into tiny pieces in that hallway. lol

It's Star Wars, not a Black Metal album cover.

 

[Gorillaz]

So....

When is robot chicken going to do the spoof

 

[takriel]

Can we talk about the general feel they might go for in Episode 8?

will they go even darker? is someone else going to die?

or will it be a bit more light hearted this time around?

I think a big portion of the movie will focus on the training of Rey and Kylo so I don't know.

Maybe someone loses a limb

The main theme will be insanity.

 

[Randdalf]

Why does everyone want all the OT characters to die? It's not Game of Thrones!

 

[Ralemont]

Sudden expertise - Kylo Ren's introduction establishes him as a powerhouse. Dude immediately does stuff with the force we've never seen and with seeming ease. So why, then, is Finn able to fight so well against him? For that matter, why is Finn so quickly an expert with a lightsaber?

Finn got housed. He showed no signs of being an expert and lasted 30 seconds against a wounded, young Sith trainee.

 

[SomTervo]

my post from another thread

Rey was already a capable fighter. Unlike training, she has had to survive on her own her entire life.

Rey from the moment she had her visions was afraid of Kylo Ren. You can see it when she was firing wildly at him in their first meeting and when she woke up and saw him starring at her. After Han's death she was angry and afraid.

Only when she was reminded of the force did she finally calm down. She used the force to calm her mind (something Yoda has been telling us for ages) allowing her to fight like she normal does, only with some Force help. She was no longer afraid and in control of her emotions and that's what allowed her to use the force to the fullest.

The force isn't someone who can swing a lightsaber better. It helps, but Yoda, the greatest of them all, focused on controlling your emotions, not your skills with a lightsaber. And that's why Rey one in the end against the conflicted Ren.


Sure you don't have to like it, but I like that we get a villain who actually feels real, has room to grow (he is also a Skywalker), and has taken out a main character both old and new, and he's not even a Jedi (sith) yet.

I agree about Phasma, though I expect she'll have more to do next episode,

Very well said, pal.

 

[The Elite]

Why does everyone want all the OT characters to die? It's not Game of Thrones!

Yeah, it's nothing like that show that has Gwendoline Christie in armor.

Maybe Star Wars is Game of Thrones in the far future and Phasma is a descendant of Brienne.

Gonna write the fanfic.

 

[KingSnake]

Can we talk about the general feel they might go for in Episode 8?

will they go even darker? is someone else going to die?

or will it be a bit more light hearted this time around?

I think a big portion of the movie will focus on the training of Rey and Kylo so I don't know.

Maybe someone loses a limb

I said it before, but Kylo build up is typical one for a psychopath. Killing his father should be very aggravating and making him going places in Episode VIII. Against everybody, including Snoke. Being defeated by Rey will only pour gas on the fire of his psychosis.

 

[sphagnum]

Was there a 1138 reference anywhere? If there was, I didn't catch it. All the other recurring stuff happened (Wilhelm scream/chase scene/monsters/someone falling down a pit/I have a bad feeling about this) but I didn't notice this one.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Completely shot in the dark asspull predictions:

Kylo kills Snoke, assumes his place
Leia dies in a military operation lead by Kylo
Luke sacrifices himself for Rey (likely at Kylo's hands)
Rey kills Kylo.

Finn & Rey marry. Maz officiates.

I don't see a scenario where Kylo kills both his parents and by extension, since everything is about parallels, I don't see how they don't give Kylo a tragic redemption, akin to his grandfather.

 

[Ishida]

don't just stare at it, press the button

"Well, there goes the hope for the galaxy. I wonder if Leia is a fast learner".

 

[Owed T'Alex]

Rey's parentage is not a cliffhanger. Why would they send her to Luke and not Poe, or send whoever would have gone if Poe had succeeded in his initial mission?

Do you expect the next film to open where this one left off? Or would it open in medias res like every other star wars movie?

 

[Experien]

don't just stare at it, press the button

You know that didn't happen in the movie, right?

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Was there a 1138 reference anywhere? If there was, I didn't catch it. All the other recurring stuff happened (Wilhelm scream/chase scene/monsters/someone falling down a pit/I have a bad feeling about this) but I didn't notice this one.

I didn't notice it, and 1138 is a meta-Lucas reference so Abrams might have felt weird using it.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Not only that, they spent the whole movie showing us how powerful Chewis crossbow is. Kylo got hit right in the gut with that thing before fighting both Finn and Rey.

 

[-griffy-]

Completely shot in the dark asspull predictions:

Kylo kills Snoke, assumes his place
Leia dies in a military operation lead by Kylo
Luke sacrifices himself for Rey (likely at Kylo's hands)
Rey kills Kylo.

Finn & Rey marry. Maz officiates.

Poe is best man. Poe is best man of the galaxy.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Yeah, it's nothing like that show that has Gwendoline Christie in armor.

Maybe Star Wars is Game of Thrones in the far future and Phasma is a descendant of Brienne.

Gonna write the fanfic.

Haha

 

[emb]

I expect Kylo Ren in the next movie to get more destructive, with killing his father ultimately strengthening his resolve. Nevermind that he'll get trained by Snoke.

After that, I think we'll see him kill at least one of Luke, Leia, Snoke.

I think the tone of the middle one will be darker. Things getting worse before they get better by the end of the third.

 

[OnPoint]

I don't usually call out poor opinions, but you aren't more wrong about Harrison. He nailed the role. He was Han Solo.

You're allowed to disagree, that's how opinions work. I happen to think yours is "poor" as well, so I guess we're even, though I don't know what he 'nailed'. I think he shined most when the two gruops of dudes showed up to capture him -- He was Han Solo there. Maybe right before and right after. And I liked his scenes with Finn, saying women always figure it out and calling him "Big Deal". But just about everywhere else, he seemed like he couldn't care less. I thought he was awful and dragged down just about every scene he was in. Where was the pain in losing his son to the dark side? Ben went off the deep end and killed a shit ton of people and he didn't see him for 15 years... then he had next to no emotion while confronting him. Even his death was without weight. I can look past my love for Han Solo as a character and the nostalgia factor of seeing him and honestly say that I just didn't feel his performance at all. Sorry.

Finn got housed. He showed no signs of being an expert and lasted 30 seconds against a wounded, young Sith trainee.

Even with the injuries, I'd say he held his own against a more skilled and powerful opponent and only really took heat when he finally landed a blow. I feel like there's more to Finn than we know.

 

[3rdman]

I wonder if they'll edit the film for the Blu-ray release. I've love for them to rework that stupid helicopter shot from the end. Have the final shot being Luke's face.

Had I been the editor, I would've shown his hand so we know its Luke and just as he is about to turn, I'd cut straight to the credits and the Star Wars theme.

It'd make for a more powerful ending, in my opinion.

 

[The Librarian]

Completely shot in the dark asspull predictions:

Kylo kills Snoke, assumes his place
Leia dies in a military operation lead by Kylo
Luke sacrifices himself for Rey (likely at Kylo's hands)
Rey kills Kylo.

Finn & Rey marry. Maz officiates.

I think Rey is gay.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Honestly, Rey was established as better melee fighter than Luke was before he fought Jedi pretty evenly. I mean the only time we see Luke using a saber before fighting Vader was in New Hope against the floating training bot and in the cave for like a second.