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[The Elite]

It would, but given the overarching themes and dichotomies the movie is playing with I think there's no reason to accept anything but that, the most likely of explanations.

That's true, especially considering both Luke's and Anakin's skill set in their respective first outings.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

"I don't ever remember owning any droids..."

Well technically he never owned R2 did he? R2 was the Queen of Naboo's for a while and then Anakin used R2 as his astromech during the Clone Wars.

But yeah, you'd have thought he would have remembered him.

 

[Fonds]

I think its a lazy plot device but I find myself not being completely repulsed by the idea.

Force mindbleach

 

[Already Torn]

Kylo Ren totally sucks and is only intimidating because he's such a troubled lunatic. That's why he's so great! I considered the scene with Han not to be ruthlessness so much as him just spiraling more out of control, and that's fine. He's definitely the best villain these movies have had I think. He's less of a Geoffrey or Ramsey Bolton and more of a Theon I think.

Rey being Luke's last student makes a lot of sense if only because it explains why Kylo Ren lost his shit when he heard there was a girl.

 

[Ishida]

"I don't ever remember owning any droids..."

Well, he never owned any droids.

 

[Brakke]

I'll say that the first thing I immediatly thought of when coming out was this:

I can't believe how the lack of comradery and just real character interactions in the prequels had me with a fucking ridiculous hunger for more every time Poe and Finn interacted

like I wanted to follow them, forever, and more of them, all the time, from the minute they were on the Tie fighter

that's like the absolute main thing Star Wars had lost and I was smiling like a dipshit

a lot of it has to do with the performances really since it aint like the script was super strong regarding their banter but it really really worked. I fuckin care about new star wars characters mayneee

Trauma would work far better

Eww no.

 

[Senoculum]

I'll say that the first thing I immediatly thought of when coming out was this:

I can't believe how the lack of comradery and just real character interactions in the prequels had me with a fucking ridiculous hunger for more every time Poe and Finn interacted

like I wanted to follow them, forever, and more of them, all the time, from the minute they were on the Tie fighter

that's like the absolute main thing Star Wars had lost and I was smiling like a dipshit

a lot of it has to do with the performances really since it aint like the script was super strong regarding their banter but it really really worked. I fuckin care about new star wars characters mayneee

True that. All the heroes had great characterizations; they were set up as good folk right off the hop, and when they join forces and care for each other's well being it felt genuine. I especially liked the moment when Finn was grabbed by the tentacle creature, and Rey's face registered utter shock. And upon rescuing him, her relieved reply was, "that was lucky." It's just plain damn entertaining!

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Did anyone else find the solar powered Death Star (that charges in less than an hour), to be completely absurd. Did J.J. get a ten year old to come up with that very clever idea for him?

Kylo Ren isn't strong with the force. The dark side is meant to be more powerful. Yet he got his ass beat by two amateurs with no jedi training. He's clearly no Darth Vader. Yes he got shot earlier but they don't how the injury affected his movement during the actual fight scene. He appears to be really going at it full speed, swinging with both both arms hard, no sign of him being slowed down by injury.

Yet he was constantly beating up his own wound just to stay awake.

 

[OnPoint]

Kylo Ren isn't strong with the force. The dark side is meant to be more powerful. Yet he got his ass beat by two amateurs with no jedi training. He's clearly no Darth Vader. Yes he got shot earlier but they don't how the injury affected his movement during the actual fight scene. He appears to be really going at it full speed, swinging with both both arms hard, no sign of him being slowed down by injury.

I don't agree that he isn't strong, but this is what I'm saying about that scene. They did a really poor job getting him over as powerful there, or they did a great job showing that they two other characters are strong.

 

[Fonds]

The biggest problem I have with the movies is that it's just reskinning the same story over and over.

Star wars VIII

"Rey I am your mother."

 

[munchie64]

Well, he never owned any droids.

Didn't he own an R4 unit? (RIP in peace)

 

[Brakke]

Yet he was constantly beating up his own wound just to stay awake.

Which worked!

 

[RowdyReverb]

I feel like I'm the only one who hopes Rey doesn't have some secret, special origin. Like, I kinda hope her family remains a mystery. Or maybe they were just regular people who were frightened by her gifts, so they abandoned her. Sometimes things don't need to all wrap neatly together.

 

[BronsonLee]

Star wars VIII

"Rey I am your mother."

CAPTAIN PHASMA, NOOOOOO

 

[Sesuadra]

Ok, here's the bit from the novelization:

reads so different from the feeling the movie gave me. I mean she relaxes, calms down, breathes, and does what maz told her.

so strange lol.

 

[OricWindstar]

Did anyone else find the solar powered Death Star (that charges in less than an hour), to be completely absurd. Did J.J. get a ten year old to come up with that very clever idea for him?

Kylo Ren isn't strong with the force. The dark side is meant to be more powerful. Yet he got his ass beat by two amateurs with no jedi training. He's clearly no Darth Vader. Yes he got shot earlier but they don't how the injury affected his movement during the actual fight scene. He appears to be really going at it full speed, swinging with both both arms hard, no sign of him being slowed down by injury.

No, no, no. Quicker. Easier. More seductive.

 

[Ishida]

Didn't he own an R4 unit? (RIP in peace)

Perhaps, but I always assumed those droids were simply the property of the Jedi in general and not specifically Obi Wan's.

 

[Toa TAK]

I'll say that the first thing I immediatly thought of when coming out was this:

I can't believe how the lack of comradery and just real character interactions in the prequels had me with a fucking ridiculous hunger for more every time Poe and Finn interacted

like I wanted to follow them, forever, and more of them, all the time, from the minute they were on the Tie fighter

that's like the absolute main thing Star Wars had lost and I was smiling like a dipshit

a lot of it has to do with the performances really since it aint like the script was super strong regarding their banter but it really really worked. I fuckin care about new star wars characters mayneee

Riiiight? I wasn't sure how they were going to come off, but now after seeing all three with each other I'm really excited to see their stories continue. All three have been fantastic in this movie and reminded me of the OT with the original gang. The prequels didn't have this yearning from me to see the characters match up with each other like this movie did.

 

[Skellig Gra]

I feel like I'm the only one who hopes Rey doesn't have some secret, special origin. Like, I kinda hope her family remains a mystery. Or maybe they were just regular people who were frightened by her gifts, so they abandoned her. Sometimes things don't need to all wrap neatly together.

You aren't the only one. I don't need these movies to just be an endless series of impossible coincidences.

 

[ReAxion]

Well technically he never owned R2 did he? R2 was the Queen of Naboo's for a while and then Anakin used R2 as his astromech during the Clone Wars.

But yeah, you'd have thought he would have remembered him.

R2 had a red arm and that's why he didn't recognize him.

 

[Fj0823]

For sure, but she seems to remember being dropped/abandonded on Jakku at age 5 so I'm not sure whats missing.

She remembers being dropped, she could've just blocked her days at the academy with all her friends, too painful to remember after she saw them being massacred by one of them

 

[The One Who Knocks]

reads so different from the feeling the movie gave me. I mean she relaxes, calms down, breathes, and does what maz told her.

so strange lol.

It's no too different from how the movie was portrayed, the only real difference there is in the conclusion of that, where in the movie she is prevented from murdering him only because they separate, while in the novel she is consciously aware of the Dark Side's pull to her. She calms down as she's near death, and accepts the force once he tells her to use it, and then she uses it to channel her anger as she savagely wails on him like crazy while she has an extremely aggressive facial expression and walks up to him ready to murder him. The most telling moment is when she swings the sword from overhead. It's easy to miss, but there's no question that she is attacking him with intent on killing him in that scene.

 

[Fonds]

True that. All the heroes had great characterizations; they were set up as good folk right off the hop, and when they join forces and care for each other's well being it felt genuine. I especially liked the moment when Finn was grabbed by the tentacle creature, and Rey's face registered utter shock. And upon rescuing him, her relieved reply was, "that was lucky." It's just plain damn entertaining!

They felt genuine to you?!

This was a major issue for me with this movie. People have known eachother for five minutes and are besties right off the bat.

Finn goes from loving Rey for standing up for herself, to hating her for beating him up, to loving her again in the span of a heartbeat.

Plus the moments where Finn and Rey meet up and have that cringeworthy banter "hey your shooting was great, oh yeh wow your flying was great" and Finn and Poe have that same thing after Death Star flipping 3 (REALLY?!) were so shallow it's just beyond me.

 

[LegendofLex]

Rey being Luke's last student makes a lot of sense if only because it explains why Kylo Ren lost his shit when he heard there was a girl.

This wasn't my impression on my second viewing.

He knew about Finn/Poe escaping on a TIE to retrieve BB-8. He might have suspected they'd try to get a ship and go off-world to get BB-8 away from the First Order. But he had no idea who the girl was. She was an unknown variable.

He had already thrown his temper tantrum by that point, and this news actually ended it instead of intensifying it. He didn't seem to have much particular interest in her outside of the fact that she was with BB-8, and his only stated reason for capturing her was because he could tell she'd seen the map.

As many others have pointed out, he seemed very surprised when she was able to resist and return his mind read.

They felt genuine to you?!

This was a major issue for me with this movie. People have known eachother for five minutes and are besties right off the bat.

Neither one of them has ever had someone stick up for them like that, much less save their lives and seem genuinely interested in their mutual wellbeing.

 

[Gonzalez]

When Kylo Ren unmasked I was reminded of the disappointment I had when the Masked Magian unmasked.

I was expecting a Rasputin looking motherfucker.

 

[MBison]

They felt genuine to you?!

This was a major issue for me with this movie. People have known eachother for five minutes and are besties right off the bat.

Finn goes from loving Rey for standing up for herself, to hating her for beating him up, to loving her again in the span of a heartbeat.

Plus the moments where Finn and Rey meet up and have that cringeworthy banter "hey your shooting was great, oh yeh wow your flying was great" and Finn and Poe have that same thing after Death Star flipping 3 (REALLY?!) were so shallow it's just beyond me.

Rey and Finn have both had nearly zero normal human interaction so it's totally plausible they would be very fast to accept friendship from someone

 

[Skellig Gra]

She remembers being dropped, she could've just blocked her days at the academy with all her friends, too painful to remember after she saw them being massacred by one of them

I guess, but this is all happening before the age of 5? I know its a space fantasy but we don't even start forming memories until some time around age 4.

 

[PrivateWHudson]

She remembers being dropped, she could've just blocked her days at the academy with all her friends, too painful to remember after she saw them being massacred by one of them

Personally my first memory is from when I was about 5. I don't see why being abandoned by her parents couldn't be her first memory. No need for any other shenanigans.

 

[Theodoricos]

They felt genuine to you?!

This was a major issue for me with this movie. People have known eachother for five minutes and are besties right off the bat.

Finn goes from loving Rey for standing up for herself, to hating her for beating him up, to loving her again in the span of a heartbeat.

Plus the moments where Finn and Rey meet up and have that cringeworthy banter "hey your shooting was great, oh yeh wow your flying was great" and Finn and Poe have that same thing after Death Star flipping 3 (REALLY?!) were so shallow it's just beyond me.

People usually quickly form bonds after they've been through the things that Finn, Rey and Poe have been through together.

That, and what MBison said.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Am I the only one who thinks Finn is also force sensitive?

They leave it open with hints either way.

 

[Salsa]

You aren't the only one. I don't need these movies to just be an endless series of impossible coincidences.

man I never really got that complaint

like yeah, I guess I get it on a fundamental level

but I never see it as "oh, yeah, out of the entire universe THESE families are tied to this thing, always"

I always saw it as the other way around and the bloodlines causing it, if anything

Star Wars was always about family so as improbable as it is I was always into the idea of the films following generations and always ultimately being about the Skywalkers

I get how improbable it is and all but what isnt in this sort of film series

I dig the weight of the characters being related and the weird tragic drama that comes from those realizations or disappointment in your own offspring or whatever. It's at the core of the series so it makes sense they follow it up. Otherwise it's just "adventures in space".

I'd be fine with Rey either way, I guess, but there's no chance she doesnt have represed memories and some kind of hidden training, be it as luke as a father or just mentor

 

[MMarston]

 

[MBison]

This wasn't my impression on my second viewing.

He knew about Finn/Poe escaping on a TIE to retrieve BB-8. He might have suspected they'd try to get a ship and go off-world to get BB-8 away from the First Order. But he had no idea who the girl was. She was an unknown variable.

He had already thrown his temper tantrum by that point, and this news actually ended it instead of intensifying it. He didn't seem to have much particular interest in her outside of the fact that she was with BB-8, and his only stated reason for capturing her was because he could tell she'd seen the map.

As many others have pointed out, he seemed very surprised when she was able to resist and return his mind read.

I disagree there was definitely more to him finding out a girl was involved.

 

[v1oz]

No, no, no. Quicker. Easier. More seductive.

No one would turn to the dark side if it wasn't. You get corrupted by the power once you turn to the dark side. The Dark side has abilities you don't get on the light side such as Force lightning and manipulating Midi-chlorians.

 

[Fj0823]

I guess, but this is all happening before the age of 5? I know its a space fantasy but we don't even start forming memories until some time around age 4.

Jedi start training at age 4 IIRC

 

[Ishida]

LMAO

 

[DiipuSurotu]

They felt genuine to you?!

This was a major issue for me with this movie. People have known eachother for five minutes and are besties right off the bat.

Finn goes from loving Rey for standing up for herself, to hating her for beating him up, to loving her again in the span of a heartbeat.

Plus the moments where Finn and Rey meet up and have that cringeworthy banter "hey your shooting was great, oh yeh wow your flying was great" and Finn and Poe have that same thing after Death Star flipping 3 (REALLY?!) were so shallow it's just beyond me.

I take it you didn't like Guardians of the Galaxy.

 

[Already Torn]

No one would turn to the dark side if it wasn't. You get corrupted by the power once you turn to the dark side. The Dark side has abilities you don't get on the light side such as Force lightning and manipulating Midi-chlorians.

But the good guys always ending up killing people who use the Dark Side! It ain't that powerful.

 

[Zabka]

You aren't the only one. I don't need these movies to just be an endless series of impossible coincidences.

Impossible coincidences are what the Force is all about.

 

[Fj0823]

No one would turn to the dark side if it wasn't. You get corrupted by the power once you turn to the dark side. The Dark side has abilities you don't get on the light side such as Force lightning and manipulating Midi-chlorians.

the Light side can do this too, a lot more effectively too....but you have to die first...

The light side is more powerful, but it needs more time and sacrifice, ain´t nobody got time for that

 

[LegendofLex]

No one would turn to the dark side if it wasn't. You get corrupted by the power once you turn to the dark side. The Dark side has abilities you don't get on the light side such as Force lightning and manipulating Midi-chlorians.

A good way to think of the dichotomy is that the Dark Side puts you in control; the Light Side requires you to largely renounce your sense of control.

Guess which one people are inclined to choose.

 

[Plasticine]

Could Rey be Luke's last surviving student, who's memory has been erased to protect her?

Probably just as likely as her being Luke's daughter. I don't think it would be a memory wipe, but rather memory loss caused by the trauma of the incident. It'll allow her to regain the memories later on, and we can "witness" the full slaughter by the Knights of Ren.

 

[Cth]

It's no too different from how the movie was portrayed, the only real difference there is in the conclusion of that, where in the movie she is prevented from murdering him only because they separate, while in the novel she is consciously aware of the Dark Side's pull to her. She calms down as she's near death, and accepts the force once he tells her to use it, and then she uses it to channel her anger as she savagely wails on him like crazy while she has an extremely aggressive facial expression and walks up to him ready to murder him. The most telling moment is when she swings the sword from overhead. It's easy to miss, but there's no question that she is attacking him with intent on killing him in that scene.

That's why the ground splitting was a good thing, because if it hadn't she'd likely have destroyed him.

I think it's interesting that both characters are potentially dealing with their internal conflict moreso than Vader did. Kylo with the light, and Rey with the dark.

I'd imagine 8 deals a lot with getting her to not be angry (especially if she finds out he ditched her and has gone crazy).

I'd be amusing if he's Don Quioxe-ish initially. Presuming he's haunted by the deaths of his students, failing Ben and being surrounded by Force Ghosts. He's probably lost a few marbles over the years trying to find the first Jedi Temple.

Of course, the majority of fans will likely want a more coherent, bad ass mix of light and dark Luke, which wouldn't be bad either.

 

[Fonds]

I take it you didn't like Guardians of the Galaxy.

Actually I did. That movie is just a lot more light-hearted all around. It isn't supposed to come off all natural and "genuine".

In TFA they're just trying to cut corners too fast with establishing friendships and feuds between characters and making them matter in the plot for two more movies.

 

[Salsa]

They felt genuine to you?!

This was a major issue for me with this movie. People have known eachother for five minutes and are besties right off the bat.

Finn goes from loving Rey for standing up for herself, to hating her for beating him up, to loving her again in the span of a heartbeat.

Plus the moments where Finn and Rey meet up and have that cringeworthy banter "hey your shooting was great, oh yeh wow your flying was great" and Finn and Poe have that same thing after Death Star flipping 3 (REALLY?!) were so shallow it's just beyond me.

Finn and Rey were a bit more iffy, but Finn and Poe were great, which are who I meant originally

regardless, if Finn didnt have that moment where he goes "no one ever looked at me that way" etc, which felt a bit forced at the moment, the whole *she gets kidnapped and Finn freaks out* thing wouldnt have worked at all

it's a bit leaded by convenience of the plot, but I think it works enough

 

[Skellig Gra]

man I never really got that complaint

like yeah, I guess I get it on a fundamental level

but I never see it as "oh, yeah, out of the entire universe THESE families are tied to this thing, always"

I always saw it as the other way around and the bloodlines causing it, if anything

Star Wars was always about family so as improbable as it is I was always into the idea of the films following generations and always ultimately being about the Skywalkers

I get how improbable it is and all but what isnt in this sort of film series

I dig the weight of the characters being related and the weird tragic drama that comes from those realizations or disappointment in your own offspring or whatever. It's at the core of the series so it makes sense they follow it up. Otherwise it's just "adventures in space".

I'd be fine with Rey either way, I guess, but there's no chance she doesnt have represed memories and some kind of hidden training, be it as luke as a father or just mentor

We already have the family tie with Kylo Ren and it seems to be well written enough. Why do we need to shoehorn Rey in as well? She can stand on her own feet.

 

[PrivateWHudson]

I disagree there was definitely more to him finding out a girl was involved.

Nah, he just wanted her because she saw the map. He even probed her mind and there still wasn't any sense of familiarity, just surprise that she was strong in the force.

 

[The Librarian]

I think a likely scenario is that Rey was a student of Luke's whose mother was killed by the Knights of Ren along with the rest of Luke's students. As such, he comes to adopt her, assuming responsibility for her, and making her a Skywalker.

 

[Truphenom]

Just watched the movie for the first time. I lean more towards superhero movies than this but it was still fun to watch.Finn was prob my fav character followed by Rey.

I enjoed the movie especially when ppl from the ot weren't involved and seeing a use for the hilt on the lightsaber was nice to see.

The movie seems a lot like a new hope but thats not necessarily a bad thing.

Solo's son looks doofy without the helmet but I think thats more because of his stupid hair.

Are the storm troopers still clones? No one else takes off their helmet.

Also whos that main bad guy?

All in all I enjoyed it, maybe top 5 for me if I see it again.

 

[GungHo]

No, they mention "the clone wars".

Kylo Ren talking about using a clone army for stormtroopers is a prequel reference.

Yep. Essentially, "don't get comfortable fucking up, Weasley. We can always start growing them again." I actually would have preferred a more Tarkinized Hux, where it was clear Vader respected Tarkin and vice versa, whereas these two guys are looking at each other like they were rivals in law school and now are working as associates at the same sadistic firm and spend most of the day making jabs about one wearing their father's Armani while the other wears a Folex they bought in Chinatown.

Wait, Luke's saber was lost on Bespin... how did it come back for this film?

Gotta wait for Linda Hunt to tell us the story in the next movie.

Solo's son looks doofy without the helmet but I think thats more because of his stupid hair.

Nah, the guy is just kinda doofy. He's not ugly, but he's not really dashing at all. As other posters noted many days ago, my wife thought it was Ross from Friends, who is also not an ugly, but nevertheless doofy mouthbreather of a man.

Are the storm troopers still clones? No one else takes off their helmet.

No, they were pretty clear on this. They aren't clones. They all have different heights. They have different weights. Hell, Phasma's a giant woman, so they may not even all be dudes. They are simply conditioned to obey orders. This was underlined in the conversation I am referencing in the first point above, where Kylo Ren specifically "wondered" if they should start cloning again since Hux's conditioning clearly didn't work on Finn.