He was probably just thirsty.
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He was probably just thirsty.
Ether_Snake
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Rey's memory wipe is possibly trauma, not something someone did to her. In her vision it looks like Kylo saves her from being killed by one of the people who were all wiped out, then we see her get dumped on Jakku. It's possible someone tried to kill her to avoid having her fall in the order's hands.
Then Kylo/Snoke/etc. try to push her to the dark side but it just ends up causing trauma, memory loss, no more force sensitivity, so they dump her on Jakku. Basically, child responds to violence with a big mental block, becomes useless to them, for now.
Then Kylo/Snoke/etc. try to push her to the dark side but it just ends up causing trauma, memory loss, no more force sensitivity, so they dump her on Jakku. Basically, child responds to violence with a big mental block, becomes useless to them, for now.
Skellig Gra
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Seems like a very short time between then and when she is left alone on Jakku. Timeline doesn't seem to make a lot of sense seeing how Kylo is like 9 years older than her.
rokkerkory
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Who or what provides the Force powers btw?
Please don't give me the midichlorians crap
Please don't give me the midichlorians crap
If you discount midicholorians, who cares? Let it just be a mysterious force people tune into.
No could defeat the Emperor on their own. Not even Luke. He was a true badass.
force sensitive bloodlines have a huge advantage but cool trained people can basically tap into it
aka this is what i've always thought before the midichlorians crap and this film seems to support it
Holy shit lol. But now I like their rivalry even more.
Saved... her? She was only for sure in one of those visions, and she was in third person for that one.
"Hey, can you please explain how you get Force powers, but don't give an explanation I don't like even if it's the correct one".
DiipuSurotu
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Samuel Jackson would have destroyed him if it weren't for Anakin's surprise attack.
Already Torn
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umm its magic
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
Lol I posted this exact theory yesterday and it got no traction.
It makes a lot of sense, that is why when she touches the light saber she sees the destruction, she sees being left behind on Jakku by Luke who hid her there, and why she picks up the force so quickly.
I always felt Palpatine was just acting. He KNEW Anakin would show up. He starts "losing" the battle as soon as Anakin lands.
TheOctodad
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I could see something like the Knights of Ren almost kidnapping her, she does some insanely powerful force blast that just knocks them all out - unintentionally unleashing it as an emotional child. The power puts her into some kind of coma. Luke finds her, heals her, but she has no memories of what happened.
For both her safety and possibly the safety of others if she was ever caught, Luke figures it's for the best and puts her into hiding. However, he leaves a trail back to him if she ever does "wake up" to avoid her falling into the wrong hands.
Ether_Snake
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No, someone tries to club her (seen in first person), that person gets killed, she backs away and the Kylo and his knights approach her, end.
LegendofLex
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I like how you say you've always believed in "bloodlines" but then think the biological explanation necessary for the bloodlines idea to make sense is "crap."
Midichlorians in your body allow you to sense the force. Deal with it.
Sensing it is not enough though, you still need a fuckton of training to make something out of this power you're perceiving
The sensitivity is also passed by bloodline.
Theodoricos
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"The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together."
The only true explanation.
Stop. You will cause a short circuit there.
Exactly. It was all a ruse to lure Anakin to the dark side. Sidious was more than a match for Windu.
LegendofLex
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It's true!
People are perfectly willing to accept that bloodlines are cool in the Star Wars universe, but try to explain what makes certain people's blood so special and everyone loses their minds!
TheOctodad
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Could be as simple as he wants her alive to capture and one of the Knights goes rogue and tries to kill her, or there are competing groups trying to kill/capture her.
nah. I think what I say makes sense
I don't like the idea of the force being a number, something you can count, in midichlorians
I have no issue with the idea of it being stronger on certain bloodlines (specially one that comes from someone allegedly being born by the will of the force with no fuckin father)
people don't get that the idea of midichlorians is whatever, the absolute SHIT part about it is qui gon having a fuckin scouter or whatever and going "his force is over 9000!"
that's the issue
Again "her". There's no reason to think those memories are Rey's (and even they can't all be memories). Why would she see herself on Jakku but *be* herself in the rain?
There are no clean conclusions to draw from the visions.
Saw this on Reddit. <3 Han Solo
I never bothered to investigate, but what do they use for fuel? They always seem to have enough, which is good. I don't want a "oh noes we're running low on fuel"-type mcguffin.
Oh yes, I know. Midichlorians don't actually bother me one bit. I just find it hilarious that people are so against them, when in the end they don't actually affect anything said on the OT. But "they are from the prequels! So fuck 'em!"
Cool thanks, the clone part should've been more obvious but I wanted to make sure.
The Ross comparison won't ever leave my brain now lol.
The Finn and Rey chemistry is awkward. It's because the whole film moves at a blistering pace and there's no room for character development.
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I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter. It just runs you know? Even in this movie when things stopped working they flipped the switch to fix it. It ain't Star Trek.
It's all fusion reactors in star wars.
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It's pretty much confirmed Luke left not trace for him to be found, people assume the map was made by Luke but it's become rather clear that it wasn't, rather people just knew he left at the first temple but didn't know where it was. Ben says they got the map from the empire but a part is missing, so someone erased it (logically it was erased by the empire not by Luke).
I think the only thing that makes it possible Luke would dump her on Jakku is if the old man was there to watch over her, but the movie really doesn't give any hints of this, Rey doesn't even live in that village strangely enough. I don't think Luke would dump her there in the hands of the junk owner, which the movie goes out of its way to make clear. I am pretty sure the reason we hear the junk guy say basically "Shut up kid!" is to emphasize that she was left in bad hands, a hint it's not Luke.
I liked the moment where Rey and Finn were running towards the Falcon on Jakku and Finn says 'We need a pilot', and Rey replies 'We've got one [pointing to herself].'
True, isn't Windu the best Jedi in terms of his swordsmanship, or did I just imagine reading this online?
It is not.
The force is just as unmessurable as ever, its just that certain bodies with a messurable characteristic can sense this gigantic power and thus they can understand it and exploit it,and said characteristic can be passed by bloodline...
Think of it like this, you can't meassure the magnitude of all the information on the internet, but if you have a router, you can experience a part of it. Router=/=Internet
Seriously how did this "Midichlorians are the force!" crap started? Qui-Gonn and Palpatine always talk about them as two separate things.
That'd be a decent compromise. I kinda like it.
Yeah, I was just looking at that pic, seeing "fuel intermixer" and going "... what fuel?"
ChoklitReign
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I woke up today thinking about nitpicks that this movie doesn't explain well and I want to ask, Just how is the Empire/First Order structured - what's its hierarchy? In the OT what exactly is Vader's position/job? He's the last Sith, not even technically one, so what does the Empire need from him? Everybody's dismissed the Force as an ancient religion - a modern day analogy would be if Iranian President Rouhani was a Zoroastrian. I think Grand Moff Tarkin was like the highest level of the military and Vader must be some sort of semireligious statesman/commander in chief - again with the Iran analogy. And Palpatine - does anyone besides Vader even know he's still alive? What the hell was he doing between III and IV? Did he really control the entire Empire secretly for his self-gain? Jumping to VII it must be a very similar situation - Hux is like Tarkin, Ren is like Vader, and Snoke is like Palpatine. In a nutshell, what's the relationship between the Empire (First Order) and the Sith (Knights of Ren)?
he studies the blood and has technology to measure how strong the force potentially is within a person. By taking blood and putting it in a thingie. They say "midichlorian count".
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he himself being a force user can sense a powerful force sensitive person close to him.
I like the latter. people like the latter. I think that was always the big issue
That's not true and that's why the midiclorians suck. Qui-Gon thinks Ani is the "chosen one" *because* his count is so high. His count is off the charts high and his power capacity is off the charts high.
The count doesn't determine ability (training and practice and focus also matter) but it does seem to determine capacity.
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Vader was basically the thug enforcer. Like the guy who burns his hand and melts his face in Raiders. At least that's what he was until he was the savior of the universe in the prequels. Ren serves the same role in TFA, he's the guy you send in when you need to get shit done. The Empire and First Order are just how evil people like Palpatine and Smough control the Galaxy. So Sith is just something that makes you really powerful and fit to be in a position like Dictator or special forces/enforcer.
Did they even say Sith in this movie? That made me happy.
Lifejumper
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One of the goals kasdan and abrams was to have the movie move at a blistering pace, so you dont think twice about things. Guess they didnt think about neogaf.
LegendofLex
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How in the world do you think it's the case that it's stronger in certain bloodlines in the absence of biological phenomenon that make it so?
He's their Supreme Leader's prized right-hand man. You're exactly right that most people within the Empire simply tolerate him.
There are numerous references to the Emperor in all three OT films; it seems really clear that everyone in the Empire (and the Alliance) knows he's still kicking.
I haven't kept up with the new EU, so this is a good question for others.
Bingo.
I don't think most people who don't directly interact with the Emperor/Vader or Snoke/Kylo really care that much about the Force/religious leadership of the organization. They just see the Empire/First Order as the desirable (or undesirable in the case of the Rebellion/Resistance/New Republic) political-military status quo.
I don't think the movie itself has pace issues. I think some of the newly introduced characters could have benefited from more time with them in non-setpiece moments
but I dont think it's a pace issue, film moves well and it never bores or hits you too hard with it, even
also, I totally get it. Look at the last 3 films. I knew shit would move here
but I dont think it's a pace issue, film moves well and it never bores or hits you too hard with it, even
also, I totally get it. Look at the last 3 films. I knew shit would move here
You're simply wrong on this.
Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force.
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Midi-chlorian counts, used to determine a being's potential in the Force, could be tested by examining a subject's blood
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Midi-chlorian counts, used to determine a being's potential in the Force, could be tested by examining a subject's blood
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian
You're struggling because the canon is dumb and your concept is more interesting. Alas.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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If you are going by only the OT then Vader isn't even a Sith. Sith aren't mentioned in the OT at all (except the novelization of ANH). He's just a fallen Jedi who the Empire uses as an enforcer. .
People know who the Emperor is. They talk about how he dissolves the senate in EP IV. So he is obviously still making political decisions too.
He's not wrong. You are. Midichlorians are NOT the Force. Which is what he is saying.
Midichlorians allow to tap into the Force. But they are not the Force themselves.
fucking magic, dude? I mean im an atheist but I have no issue with the force being some unknown power. Like, I dont need a scientific explanation for this when it's not real life.
it moves through bloodlines cause someone wills it? its a fucking fairy tale, this is not the part that matters
heck, regardless: have it be midichlorians and something in the blood, I don't give a shit, I just don't want a scene of someone putting blood on a device and going "omg his count is off the charts he's the chosen one"
how fucking stupid is it to measure someone's blood for "power" and go with "the chosen one" on the same sentence
LegendofLex
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The person you were quoting specifically said that Qui-Gon/Palpatine discuss midi-chlorians as distinct from "the Force."
The quote you just cited indicates specifically that the midi-chlorians are something different that allows people to perceive the Force, not the Force itself.
Your proof directly confirms the argument you're dismissing.
Even "fucking magic" is about metaphysical things interacting with elements in the physical world. Why not through people's biological sensitivity to it?
Exactly. I've always thought that if you are going to bash and hate something, at least know the facts instead of hating your own headcanon.
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