hipsterpants
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But this one can take out multiple planets at once. And is actually built into the planet, somehow.
In episode IX we'll get a half-complete one that can destroy the entire galaxy, heh
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But this one can take out multiple planets at once. And is actually built into the planet, somehow.
In episode IX we'll get a half-complete one that can destroy the entire galaxy, heh
WadiumArcadium
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Yeah, can't believe I missed it out of my list. Loved the corridors in Cloud City and the Knights of Ren in the rain. I was hoping to get more of them than was in the trailer though.
There's a lot of memorable scenes in the film.
I understand. Yeah, the cinematography was not quite good. However I liked how agressive it was.
I really like ALL the styles of lightsaber duels in the entire franchise.
I love the fancy, elegant duels of the prequels because it show a more stylized use of the lightsaber proper of people who are highly trained in them, barely making any false or erroneous movements and most of the time keeping their cool.
I love the more crude and slow duels of the OT because it fits with the untrained, emotional Luke going against Vader, and Vader's own robotic body not being as agile. I loved the agression, the doubt, the "I'll just try to hit you as hard as I can".
I love the duel in Episode VII. It fits the characters perfectly. Kylo's movements are brutal. Most of the time he swings around his saber the hardest he possibly can. He is in to inflict the most pain instead of just cutting like in the prequels.
There are only two lightsaber duels I don't like in the entire franchise: Old Obi VS Vader, and Anakin VS Dooku in Episode II. All the rest I absolutely ADORE.
I'm actually very happy with how the duel in Episode VII turned out. It surpassed my expectations. I was too afraid they would try to imitate the OT style too much, but it has it's own identity. Not too slow. Not too fancy. A very nice middle ground with agression, desperation and cruelty.
Glass Shark
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I watched that video as soon as he posted it and I just watched the whole Screen Junkies thing he was on. He doesn't make a compelling enough case that Luke wasn't instantly good at things like Rey was. Training with the Remote, blowing up the Death Star, blasting Stormtroopers... that's just the beginning.
AND that's completely discounting the fact that Rey is not "instantly" good at things because there is strong implication in the film that she was at least partially trained in the Force.
Kor of Memory
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Stupid power creep.
Finally caught this! Wow, what a great film.
- Finn/Rey adventures were a lot of fun. The two have a lot of comedic chemistry.
- Kylo Ren is an awesome villain. His theme song, his backstory, and how different he is from Vader took me by surprise.
- Snoke seems lame and generic right now though.
- Han/Leia gave me a lot of feels.
One complaint I have with the film was the decision to make Rey the jedi apprentice, since she's obviously Luke's daughter. I thought they were setting up a twist where it'd be Finn who went out to train with Luke, but no, it was Rey. My issue with her is that she already seems incredibly proficient at well... everything. I mean, her very first time using a lightsaber and she managed to completely stomp Kylo Ren, ya he was wounded, but still. It doesn't really feel like she's got a lot to learn, whereas Finn took a lot of losses and actually looks like he needs the training.
Meh, it's one gripe, still a great movie for the villain alone.
- Finn/Rey adventures were a lot of fun. The two have a lot of comedic chemistry.
- Kylo Ren is an awesome villain. His theme song, his backstory, and how different he is from Vader took me by surprise.
- Snoke seems lame and generic right now though.
- Han/Leia gave me a lot of feels.
One complaint I have with the film was the decision to make Rey the jedi apprentice, since she's obviously Luke's daughter. I thought they were setting up a twist where it'd be Finn who went out to train with Luke, but no, it was Rey. My issue with her is that she already seems incredibly proficient at well... everything. I mean, her very first time using a lightsaber and she managed to completely stomp Kylo Ren, ya he was wounded, but still. It doesn't really feel like she's got a lot to learn, whereas Finn took a lot of losses and actually looks like he needs the training.
Meh, it's one gripe, still a great movie for the villain alone.
hipsterpants
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How convenient lol. Shame we'll never see anything about they fucked up so badly since they're all dead.
Yautja_Warrior
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Can't wait for episode VIII. Looking forward to the inevitable "I am your Father" moment between Luke and Rey.
One great thing TFA really nailed was the characters, the were great. I actually care and want to know more about them and what happens next, especially with Rey.
Things like:
How did Rey know she could pull off the Jedi mind trick on the stormtrooper?
Why was Kylo bothered by the mention of a girl on Jakku (Rey) when he was told BB-8 and Finn got away?
She nailed the force pull on the lightsaber, beating Kylo and then proceeded to best him in the fight too (sure his injury didn't help)
Was it all a fluke though or has she had training as a young girl but then got mind wiped to protect / hide her and now she's starting to regaining little bits subconsciously.
One theory anyway.
One great thing TFA really nailed was the characters, the were great. I actually care and want to know more about them and what happens next, especially with Rey.
Things like:
How did Rey know she could pull off the Jedi mind trick on the stormtrooper?
Why was Kylo bothered by the mention of a girl on Jakku (Rey) when he was told BB-8 and Finn got away?
She nailed the force pull on the lightsaber, beating Kylo and then proceeded to best him in the fight too (sure his injury didn't help)
Was it all a fluke though or has she had training as a young girl but then got mind wiped to protect / hide her and now she's starting to regaining little bits subconsciously.
One theory anyway.
luke aint a gary sue argument you need:
he gets fucked up. hand cut off. what he knows shattered cause his father a real dick. comes back a badass
intially (and if you wanna talk just IV) he also gets saved by both Han and Leia at different points
when finn and poe go save her she's all "lol im already climbing onto this shit and made stormtrooper guy let me go and resisted kylo ren force mindfuck"
like I said before tho I think this is all cool to see that she handles herself in the same sense that its cool for her to go all "lol" when Finn keeps asking the lady character if she's ok, but at the end you gotta work your female badass girl power character into something that's more interesting for the film, and treat her equally as a male character rather than the cop-out headline route of making a girl powerful
there's 2 movies left yaddayadda ive already talked about that, I just reiterated cause Luke definetly aint the type of character Rey is
he gets fucked up. hand cut off. what he knows shattered cause his father a real dick. comes back a badass
intially (and if you wanna talk just IV) he also gets saved by both Han and Leia at different points
when finn and poe go save her she's all "lol im already climbing onto this shit and made stormtrooper guy let me go and resisted kylo ren force mindfuck"
like I said before tho I think this is all cool to see that she handles herself in the same sense that its cool for her to go all "lol" when Finn keeps asking the lady character if she's ok, but at the end you gotta work your female badass girl power character into something that's more interesting for the film, and treat her equally as a male character rather than the cop-out headline route of making a girl powerful
there's 2 movies left yaddayadda ive already talked about that, I just reiterated cause Luke definetly aint the type of character Rey is
For all those wondering how Rey beat Kylo Ren I just want to add that Kylo Ren, besides being severely injured and just killing his own father, didn't WANT to kill Rey. His emotions were clouded because she was force sensitive and was trying to bring her to the dark side. Combine this with her tapping into the force to save herself and it makes some sense.
I'm sure we would of been better off with a training montage leading into Ren/Rey fight, but we were robbed that pleasure.
I'm sure we would of been better off with a training montage leading into Ren/Rey fight, but we were robbed that pleasure.
Glass Shark
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Ok, let's try this then:
Rey is a Mary Sue.
SO WHAT?
I don't care. It didn't hurt my enjoyment of the movie at all. Sorry if it hurt yours.
Rey is a Mary Sue.
SO WHAT?
I don't care. It didn't hurt my enjoyment of the movie at all. Sorry if it hurt yours.
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Seeking is fine, but the moment they get that power, everything else just seems a bit inconsequential. To me at least.
Convenient? No. That was the reason that system was targeted. They would have destroyed the Resistance's planet too had they known where it was from the start.
They didn't fuck anything up, they had no reason to believe five planets would be destroyed in an instant. The New Order literally had a secret weapon.
Shitty spies then.
I'm tired of going in circles on this. Kylo beats Rey in experience by at least ten years and under at least two teachers. He doesn't lose because he's insufficiently trained, he loses because [some other reason]. If dueling is such a clear weakness for him why would he choose to engage in a duel.
He has every reason to think his force push would work on her except that she just beat him in a pull contest. He doesn't fail the contest because he's unpracticed. He has no trouble pulling people from across the room into a choke, nor any problem holding a blaster bolt in the air. He's super experienced compared to Rey who did her first intentional Force power like twenty minutes ago.
that's kind of the point im making
she's cool. she could have been more interesting. it's an issue with the film for me, not it's downfall.
TAJ
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That entire Utapau sequence is a steaming pile. I'm surprised I didn't suffer a detached retina or two from prolonged eye rolling.
As down as I am on TFA only the rathtar scene and maybe the Snoke/Kylo/Hux conference call were bad enough that they could have been in the prequels.
I want a game playing as Poe Dameron flying and doing espionage missions across the galaxy.
WadiumArcadium
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I have a feeling Visceral's game will be set between Jedi and TFA. I can't see any post-VII games for a while, except DLC for Battlefront.
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Kind of agree with this... I really like the character, but she's a little bit too badass for having zero training outside of scavenging the wastelands of some desert planet.
I think people are semi blind to some of the good in the prequels, there is a fuckton of good there.
Strangely im struggling to think of a scene in TFA that I loved, but i think it requires me to watch it a dozen more times.
Perhaps Han shouting "BEN"
That got me
The whole scene with Han Solo and Kylo was epic. From "BEN!" to dying Han touching the face of his son as a last forgiveness/love gesture.
How else will the play the "I'm your father!" scene in
I'm with you on this roll.
Not only that but did people just forget that Luke was trained extensively with Obi Wan and Yoda and then still gets his ass handed to him when first facing off against Vader? Rey is way closer to the Mary Sue stereotype than Luke ever was
Yes, so much.
I doubt we'll get anything beyond Disney Infinity playsets and Battlefront DLC though. At lease for a while.
So disappointing.
Fight would have worked better if she didn't reject the lightsaber when it was offered to her and actually had some experience with it before hand. The problem here was that it was her very first time even holding the damn thing, sure Ren was weakened, but it still suggested that Rey was incredibly gifted.
And the issue with that isn't that she's a "Mary Sue" (although she already seems as proficient as Luke was in episode 6), it's that it takes away the urgency from her need to train. Right now, she seems pretty perfect, what does she even need help for? She could probably learn to be a Jedi master herself just like she learned to be an ace pilot on her own.
CreepingFear
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I want a pre-TFA game. Finn, sanitation simulator.
Scientist Supreme!
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Ok.
I didn't post that video to bring this up again. I thought there was more interesting things he talked about.
Also I don't get your last point. Of course her being instantly good is due to her being strong in force but that change criticism of her being a Mary Sue. It's just a in-universe reason.
Then why debate people who do?
Oh hell yes. I can't wait to see what they come up with
haha, i'm so close to buying Disney Infinity 3.0 ... I sincerely hope the Lego Star Wars they make about TFA is a good one.
Dude gets way too worked up about this... I kind of agree about Rey, but WTF at saying Lando had more depth than Finn? I don't think he's looking at it objectively.
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I do hope we get some kind of expanded universe that establishes this new canon.
Who is this new republic? How did they seemingly wrest control of the galaxy back from the Empire? Why were they so stupid as have all of their main power in one system?
Who is The First Order? How did they get established and why are they seemingly so powerful? Are they just remnants of the old Empire?
Who was actually in control? If the Republic was powerful, then why was there still something called "resistance?"
btw, the R2 thing of him waking up super conveniently for the plot didnt really bother me that much cause I just assumed Luke activated him cause he felt shit or whatever
but then JJ explained that he activated himself cause BB8 said something to him about the map?
what?
also 3PO knows BB8 cause he's been on the rebel base for long and all, but BB8 never knew of R2?
wut?
JJ just don't say anything
but then JJ explained that he activated himself cause BB8 said something to him about the map?
what?
also 3PO knows BB8 cause he's been on the rebel base for long and all, but BB8 never knew of R2?
wut?
JJ just don't say anything
Having seen what ends up in trash compactors, I can only imagine how harrowing managing sewers would be in this world. People act like it's all a joke, but Finn had heard of those tentacle monsters from somewhere...juuuuuuuuust sayin'.
Games, comics, books, I REALLY want it all.
Vampirolol
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On second viewing the movie is so much better! I started looking at what it really was instead of eyerolling in front of every ANH reference, Force Awakens is its own thing. Among the best movies of the year.
Yea we need to hear more about the Republic. The entire Navy couldn't have been at one system. I assumed after seeing the film that the Republic had hold of the inner systems while the First Order and Resistance were battling near the outer rim. I need to delve more into the lore.
WadiumArcadium
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Your first few questions have been answered already. The film's visual dictionary and the novel, Aftermath, have gone into a bit of detail. Most of which you can read here.
Pai Pai Master
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Same reason every Marvel movie looks like a TV show. Easy to latch on to a buzzword criticism when you don't fully know what you're talking about.
A star wars game in the vain of Fallout/Elder Scrolls would be heaven, failing that a Mass effect one
I hope in some way you can visit other worlds, my favourite star wars game was jedi academy when you choose your missions and go to different areas.
I hope in some way you can visit other worlds, my favourite star wars game was jedi academy when you choose your missions and go to different areas.
TAJ
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Yep. Either cut to the credits as soon as his arms finish dropping out of frame or just drop the scene entirely and end with the Falcon jumping into hyperspace.
it aint that far from what it is. author insert for the sake of the plot that comes from a low-power/rank character suddenly having amazing abilities to deus ex machina the whole thing
didnt it start with star trek funnily enough?
CreepingFear
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Think of all the trash he had to pick up with all the tantrums Ben Solo has. "Shit, I just cleaned up the other control console".
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Thanks!
So the Resistance needs something major to battle against in the movies. The main characters have the Jedi vs Sith. Whether it is Episode 8 or Episode 9. They are going to need a major battle again to give the other characters something to do. This is why Return of the Jedi had another Death Star. But, we are all tired of seeing Death Stars. So what should they do?
My idea is basically a reverse Hoth scenario. The Resistance straight up charging and bringing everything they have against The First Order's main headquarters. Other than that I have nothing.
My idea is basically a reverse Hoth scenario. The Resistance straight up charging and bringing everything they have against The First Order's main headquarters. Other than that I have nothing.
hipsterpants
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This is pretty much me. I can sort of take what happened at face value but we need to get some info in the time gap between Episode 6 and 7. Maybe they'll get around to doing that in a spin-off once they're out of OT material to run dry.
Yeah this comparison is boring. People don't call Luke a Mary Sue because 1) he predates that term and 2) we have a better term for him in "monomyth". Why try to fit Luke into any scheme other than the monomyth when we've been having that conversation about him for decades. I literally learned that shit -- and in a Star Wars -- context at school.
We resort to labels like Mary Sue because we don't understand a character and are trying to fit it into some scheme that directs our thoughts. Nobody doesn't understand Luke, we've already found the exactly appropriate label for him.
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