brandonh83
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Why would she state the obvious?
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Why would she state the obvious?
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I just didn't buy it without a funeral. We don't even know what Chewie was saying when he yelled after Han died. A little "Wow, Chewie is devastated" would have helped.
voodoopanda
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I really liked Kylo Ren's downward arc throughout the movie, and the lightsaber fight with Rey was the perfect ending to it. Stories often show characters increasing in power over time, and this was a nice reversal. When we first see him, he's in control, he's focused, people are terrified of him, he's ordering storm troopers around, he's able to stop blaster shots in mid air. He initially gives off the feeling of, is this another Darth Vader-level dude? He's a menacing guy who clearly is strong w/ the force.
But then he fails to get the map, and he has his first freak out, He keeps continuing to fail to track the map down, he thinks he can pull the map out of Rey's head like he did to Poe, but he fails there too and gets reprimanded for it. We also see he's practically just a kid when he first takes off his mask. He has his second freak out. He's losing morale, he wants to be Vader but clearly isn't and it's frustrating him.
Then he has the whole encounter with his father, gets hit by Chewbacca, and goes after Rey while the Starkiller is exploding all around. Another major failure. He's not just physically injured, but he's been losing this entire time and it's clearly getting to him. Since the force is tied in so directly to one's state of mind and emotions, the difference in power level behind him in the first scene and the last says everything about what's been going on with his character. He has incredible potential but only in those perfect conditions can he come close to realizing it, yet.
Thus it only makes sense that Rey comes out on top in that final fight and we get that line about finishing Kylo Ren's training. I didn't have any problems with that fight at all.
But then he fails to get the map, and he has his first freak out, He keeps continuing to fail to track the map down, he thinks he can pull the map out of Rey's head like he did to Poe, but he fails there too and gets reprimanded for it. We also see he's practically just a kid when he first takes off his mask. He has his second freak out. He's losing morale, he wants to be Vader but clearly isn't and it's frustrating him.
Then he has the whole encounter with his father, gets hit by Chewbacca, and goes after Rey while the Starkiller is exploding all around. Another major failure. He's not just physically injured, but he's been losing this entire time and it's clearly getting to him. Since the force is tied in so directly to one's state of mind and emotions, the difference in power level behind him in the first scene and the last says everything about what's been going on with his character. He has incredible potential but only in those perfect conditions can he come close to realizing it, yet.
Thus it only makes sense that Rey comes out on top in that final fight and we get that line about finishing Kylo Ren's training. I didn't have any problems with that fight at all.
I think they'll open Episode VII with the funeral, though Rey won't be there due to training shenanigans with Luke, or it'll be the first time she's been seen for a while etc.
Theodoricos
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If VIII will indeed have a darker tone like ESB I think it would be a neat idea to open up with Han's funeral, because I do agree that it needed to be acknowledged more.
Most importantly, Leia and Chewie should've shared a moment as they mourn his loss.
TheKaeptain
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It was
then who was his stormtrooper buddy and why was he so stunned at his/her death? why the blood on the helmet scene? that's shitty character development if i've ever seen one.
i'm sure the writers were asking themselves that same question before an executive barged in and yelled "who gives a fuck, more explosions"
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Star Wars Episode VIII: The Darkness Falls
bearythebear
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Very good movie. Lots of fun.
It's also very "greatest hits". Heck, there's even a chubby pilot at the end...
It's also very "greatest hits". Heck, there's even a chubby pilot at the end...
Yeah that was a great Star Wars moment that felt completely authentic and effective.
oh man idk. Ewan the quip master got really tiring there
tho probably the writing is to blame
he's a fucking buffoon
Episode VIII: Do Jedi Dream of Magnetic Goats?
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You seem to want something deeper for Star Wars, but that was never promised or hinted at. If you can't enjoy it for it what is is, that's fine. I can't enjoy the Marvel movies at all, but tons of people eat them up.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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The acting in Force Awakens far surpasses the majority of the prequel flicks. Cast had great chemistry and really brought the characters to life.
brandonh83
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Star Wars doesn't need to be too dark and depressing. You can have undertones but it shouldn't go too far. RotS was pretty sad but it was also fun and energetic. I don't want lots of moping and too much darkness in Star Wars. VIII won't open with a funeral because Rian will be occupied with actually moving the story forward.
Theodoricos
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the whole movie is fucking lazy. the special effects team is the only one that worked on this thing.
minimumhippo
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Do you need absolutely every little thing explained to you in detail in these movies? I believe this is part of the reason the prequels were duds.
Han Solo probably was a shitty dad. I can believe that.
BlastProcessing
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You weren't taking the position that the film is being overrated and that anyone who actually thought about the film could see it for what it was? My mistake then.
Kylo Ren really doesn't display daddy resentment. When does that happen?
I got the impression that Finn defected more out of self preservation than anything else. He just wants to run. Then he cares about Rey and decides to try to help her. You say you enjoyed the Original Trilogy, people tryst Fin in a similar way that they instantly trust a dirty Smuggler.
Yes, they should have given the film to the studio that made Cars 2, those guys would never make kiddie popcorn fare. And having a Pixar director make a big budget live action film has never gone poorly.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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What is Solo is still alive.
He and Ben are playing the long con.
They're actually conning Snoke out of his entire fortune.
Like father like son.
He and Ben are playing the long con.
They're actually conning Snoke out of his entire fortune.
Like father like son.
It'd be the writing imo. There's a lot of potential for the movies to have stories that are better than okay but it's up to Disney to be willing to take that risk. It's less risky to be experimental with the narrative in the games- there's far less riding on it there.
You don't seem to get that there's more than just the movies."Did I mention I'm not a Star Wars fan yet?"
Yeah, we get it.
brandonh83
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The special effects team must be a jack of all trades, what with writing, directing, acting, building sets, designing the art, scoring, editing, and the thousands of other things that go into making a film.
ewan mcgregor kenobi woulda been like "GOSH KYLO WHY ARE YOU SO ANGRY, ARE YOU FEELING... SOLO?" *triple backflip while smirkin*
1) dont matter, and if you want the body then write his death differently in that they can retrieve it even? but ultimately it dont matter, there's funerals without bodies
2) wut? people get too caught up on rebel no authority han solo, these people were his family and he loved them and he was loved by them
1) dont matter, and if you want the body then write his death differently in that they can retrieve it even? but ultimately it dont matter, there's funerals without bodies
2) wut? people get too caught up on rebel no authority han solo, these people were his family and he loved them and he was loved by them
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Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
And it fires entire stars on full auto. It's called the Tommy Sun.
minimumhippo
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Han did not need a funeral, that would be a waste of time. I would hope everyone would realize these people close to him are sad without them yelling WE ARE SAD but after reading this thread a bit, I dunno...
I honestly expect the next thought from some people to be "Did Leia secretly tell Kylo to kill Han because she wanted him dead? I mean, she didn't even mourn his death on screen too much at the end! Is Leia Snoke???!"
I honestly expect the next thought from some people to be "Did Leia secretly tell Kylo to kill Han because she wanted him dead? I mean, she didn't even mourn his death on screen too much at the end! Is Leia Snoke???!"
They're actually planning on a big surprise birthday party for Luke and this is the best way to get him out of his shell!
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EatChildren
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let the finn x poe shipping commence (if it hasn't already)
BlastProcessing
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I agree it would have been a powerful scene and I hope it exists as an outtake or as part of an extended version, but I get why it's not there. It would be tricky to fit into the flow and I appreciate being cautious about Return of the King multiple ending syndrome. Maybe end with the funeral and save the Luke reveal for post credits?
Ohh it has.
let the finn x poe shipping commence (if it hasn't already)
it aint about that. move did have sort of an epilogue and it was a weird after-theatre thing realizing how they've always deal with these deaths in a weighty fashion then Han dies and we get a Leia / Rey hug when you'd know it would have been more impactful with more time to it. has nothing to do with the characters being sad or not, has to do with the character and how you're supposed to feel for Kylo's actions and actually see the damage on screen.
I don't have an issue with VIII dealin with a funeral or something like that.
death itself was handled totally fine. Chewie instantly shooting at him was badass as fuck
brandonh83
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let the finn x poe shipping commence (if it hasn't already)
This is the most fuck yeah thing ever. Not the shipping stuff but their bro force.
McGregor was great given the script
Chewie was the movie's MVP.
Tumblr has been lit alive.
let the finn x poe shipping commence (if it hasn't already)
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Kylo Ren ...... Kai Winn
Is Snoke Gul Dukot?
Is Snoke Gul Dukot?
Because Finn doesn't defect for just one reason. It's clearly established he's terrified of serving under the First Order. The visceral experience during his first battle of seeing another Stormtrooper die in his hands before being ordered to murder a bunch of unarmed civilians for no reason made him realize he didn't want to live that life. Part of that is a desire to be moral, part of that is that he's pants-shittingly terrified. He overcomes the cowardly part of himself later in the movie.
Finn has the most obvious character arc in the movie, and I probably wouldn't have a positive opinion of the movie without his story and John Boyega's acting.
Lifejumper
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What kind of timeskip are we expecting when Viii starts?
he was probably the best tho im partial to Liam Neeson as I think his flaws lie within the character and how he's written by being just.. kinda boring
he was good in that calm alec guiness way tho. meditating to fight darth maul was the best moment of the whole awful prequel trilogy maybe
brandonh83
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I thought Ben's "TRAITOR!!!" was far superior, why no memes for that, internet slackers?
MoonsaultSlayer
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Ren goes light, Rey goes dark. It explains Ren's human inner-struggles vs Rey's methodical execution of skills.
Haven't seen it, just basing this on what I've learned from this thread.
His spins aren't dank enough though
His buddy was FN -1000 or something. He was part of his squad while training under Phasma.its all in the before the awakening book. His friend wasn't that good and knew he would die eventually.
voodoopanda
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With the way Finn just wanted to run away throughout the first part of the movie, I took the stormtrooper buddy death less "oh no i'm rly sad my stormtrooper buddy died" and more "o god my buddy died and that could've been me i don't want to die," dude was seriously shaking in that scene afterwards, followed up by "o god i can't kill civilians i just wanna be anywhere but here."
EatChildren
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Chewie flipping shit was one of the movie's greatest highs. Not moping. Not crying. A roar of anguish and rage followed by effortlessly wrecking shit. Hit the fucking dark side bad guy square in the gut. Mowed down space nazis. Blew the place to pieces. Got the survivors out of there.
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