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[Vice]

Her having intimate knowledge of the Falcon does go in line with her having intimate knowledge about everything. Y'all are correct.



Wut

I think she was just familiar with the ship model. If she's a scavenger she may have come across a couple of them. She was surprised that it was the Falcon.

 

[FloatOn]

I don't want to get too preachy here but at some point you have to live with the fact people's brains are wired different than yours and not let it bother you.

and that's fine. people are entitled to think what they want. wrong or not.

It's just at this point the conversation feels very circular and unproductive. I guess I'll just have to redouble my efforts to ignore it.

 

[aliengmr]

Have just seen it and wasn't expecting much as soon as I got done reading the yellow writing.

As a stand alone movie it's 'good' but as sequel to return of the Jedi it is completely awful.

For something like an organisation such as the order and knights of wren, to just pop out of no where and also have a super Death Star that nobody knew about it just lol. Is this halo 4 where you're supposed to read up on the lore that's hidden?

I know Disney are there to make bank but is this the best they could come up with to continue the story? I haven't read any of the eu but I'm sure there is a wealth of content they could have used that was better than this.

It makes no sense in the Star Wars universe that the empire would have survived like it has in TFA.

Why are the rebels still called the resistance? They won and a new republic was founded, the emperor and Vader were dead along with most of the empire officers. If this is the route they are going they need to explain those 30 years or whatever it is better.

And Kylo wren come the fuck on, when he takes that mask off he became abit of a joke, voice was cool with it on though. Has skywalker force power and years of training, but manages to get hurt by a tiny storm trooper who has never used a sabre before. Then gets beat by someone who has never used a sabre before to.

Maybe it's me getting older, however when I see nonsensical things in films they don't ruin it for me but makes me hold a low opinion.

Ray was good though

You must not have gone into much of the EU then, specifically the stuff 25 - 30+ after ROTJ. The Empire continued to exist for quite a while after Endor. In fact they never truly went away and just did their thing in their own part of the galaxy. Coruscant didn't fall for sometime after Endor and remained in the hands of the Empire (years iirc).

So the First Order is certainly in keeping with the Star Wars Universe. Going back as far as some of the first EU novels.

Starkiller base was mostly a way to eliminate the Republic quickly and put our heroes in a precarious position. The First Order couldn't be the underdog going forward.

Keep in mind, the Galaxy is fucking big and that base was disguised as a planet, so hiding it wouldn't be that hard. Especially if the Republic succumbs to it own hubris and bureaucracy, which it did. Is it a bit cheap? Yes, but not out of left field.

TFA was a quick run through of the OT in the safest possible way. Its a safe vehicle for introducing the new characters. That was the entire point, they didn't want the plot getting in the way of the characters which is why the left it open. Its by no means perfect, but the goal was achieved.

Once again my favorite part of the movie has been brought up. Kylo Ren taking his mask off. One simple act and it hits the audience hard. They didn't need some deep explanation of the character, they just need him to simply take off his helmet to tell you all you need to know. So many reacted to it too and in the same way, which is kind of funny. Only difference is the personal feelings of it.

At first he is Vader-esq but then the "heavy" helmet comes off and all expectations are thrown out the window. The character I love most are the ones the inspire real emotional reactions to. I want to hate and love them. Vader was a machine and he looked cool. He was more metaphor than character, and in that way he worked. But Kylo isn't Vader, he's a person, he's Anti Vader. Maul was the same way, but more of a throw away baddie. Kylo Ren is a bad guy Star Wars that has complexity and room to grew, rather than a cool looking plot device. He just not that good at Jedi-ing, look at his jalopy-saber. Its essentially fan-gear. Kylo is a fan boy with the fucking force and an army at his back, that's pretty scary actually.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

This scene was fucking awesome. This was Han doing Han shit. We have never been able to see that before (except briefly in the Cantina where Han shot that dirty Greedo first).

My kids were legit scared shitless throughout the sequence. Actually, just watching them laugh, cheer, get scared, and my one boy even got choked at Han...really brought me back to my first experiences with Star Wars.

I loved that sequence too. it got bonus points for not being a retread.

It was fun, goofy CGI and conveniently-not-eaten Finn included.

 

[fastford58]

hell yeah!

This sounds dumb as I read it over, but I really think my understanding of what makes this a good movie was enhanced by seeing it with a kid right next to me, lol.

I went alone for my first viewing, but I really enjoyed it more with my kids there on my second. I totally agree.

My one boy is enamoured with Chewie after this movie.

 

[Skellig Gra]

and that's fine. people are entitled to think what they want. wrong or not.

It's just at this point the conversation feels very circular and unproductive. I guess I'll just have to redouble my efforts to ignore it.

Well we are almost through OT2 here, there has been very little fresh material, just new people coming in having just seen the movie.

 

[MMarston]

It was the only part of the movie where I felt like I was safe running out for a bathroom break. :lol



Hmm, this never actually occurred to me before.

Those moments in ESB and ROTJ are easily my least favorite ones too though

 

[DiipuSurotu]

You mean as in it was less than 3? or more?

I mean the scene was longer than 3 minutes, but i think they got taken out rather quick.

Didn't Kathleen Kennedy say all the actors are coming back for Episode VIII? They could be playing different characters.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

*tires screech*



You can't backpedal to an over-arching mary sue argument, trite as it is, when the pillars are being knocked away.

You do know that's not in the movie, right?

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

I kind of wish Abrams would just come out and spell it out for the knit wits that don't get it at this point

but then responding to the backlash implies that their opinion was valid in the first place.

Dude, we get it. You REALLY like Star Wars.

Obviously the movie is a flawless masterpiece that transcends critiscm

 

[bearythebear]

They got some really good emotions out of Chewbacca is some of the scenes. Wonder if it was partly CGI.

 

[Hawkian]

I won't be disappointed if Rey is Luke's daughter. My questions in the event of this reveal will mainly be about the identity and fate of her mother, the events leading up to her being left on Jaaku and why Luke wasn't there for her, and what she correctly or incorrectly believed about her heritage.

If she isn't Luke's daughter on the other hand, I will be genuinely surprised, which is potentially a more exciting (but riskier) proposition.

 

[TheOctodad]

No guys. Rey being self-sufficient force user means she has no flaws. There's no way she could struggle at relationships, anger, abandonment, fear, politics, authority, or any other myriad of things.

This one movie speaks for all of her personality past, present, and future.

 

[Starsailor]

Dude, we get it. You REALLY like Star Wars.

Obviously the movie is a flawless masterpiece that transcends critiscm

like every masterpiece since geeks kids became adults... The dark knight, Inception...

 

[GiantEnemyGoomba]

The one thing that makes me doubt that Luke is Rey's father is this exchange:

Maz: “Dear child, I see your eyes. You already know the truth. Whoever you’re waiting for on Jakku… they’re never coming back. But there’s someone who still could.”
Rey: “Luke.”

I was under the assumption that Luke himself abandoned her on Jakku, but maybe someone else did.

Yeah this my exact thinking; I thought it spelled it out pretty clearly. I think it's pretty weird that so many people still think they're father/daughter, but I guess Maz could have just been being super riddle-y for some reason.

Also, I guess I'm probably latching onto that line because I really really really don't want her to be Luke's daughter.

 

[Ophelion]

The one thing that makes me doubt that Luke is Rey's father is this exchange:

Maz: “Dear child, I see your eyes. You already know the truth. Whoever you’re waiting for on Jakku… they’re never coming back. But there’s someone who still could.”
Rey: “Luke.”

I was under the assumption that Luke himself abandoned her on Jakku, but maybe someone else did.

Agree. That exchange really sticks in my craw when I think about her being Luke's kid too. It would be "From a certain point of view" all over again if both parties being discussed on both ends of that conversation are Luke Skywalker.

One fun out there theory I saw someone drop a while back is that she's the daughter of an evil force user that died by Luke's own hand. Which would be an interesting inversion of the Empire reveal.

Luke: Do you know what happened to your father?

Rey: I think I know enough. He's got to be you.

Luke: No, Rey. I...I killed your father.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

I think this might be the first movie I have liked that Solo was into as well.
Has Sculli seen it yet?

 

[Bad_Boy]

Their physical time on the screen was probably less than 3 minutes. Most of the scene was focused on Han/Chewie or Finn/Rey.

True.

So like i said, what was the point of casting them? They are insanely talented and were underused.

 

[Zalasta]

Is it nitpicking if I was expecting the offspring of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher to look a lot less plain than the guy they've chosen to play Kylo Ren?

 

[The Elite]

I think this might be the first movie I have liked that Solo was into as well.
Has Sculli seen it yet?

Sculli liked it.

- good direction ("Abrams directed the fuck out of this movie")
- screenplay was a mess

 

[TheOctodad]

Is it nitpicking if I was expecting the offspring of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher to look a lot less plain than the guy they've chosen to play Kylo Ren?

Yes, not everyone has automatically beautiful babies.

 

[Creamium]

Seen posts a few pages back about some US theatres still being sold out... Don't know if that happens often when a movie's been released for more than a week, sure seems crazy to me. Crazy good!

 

[Lmo911]

6.) She's actually a sleeper cell Knights of Ren who got the Bourne memory treatment

Rey is Revan would be a very interesting twist on everything, but I don't know if that fits considering Kylo and Rey don't seem to have much of a relationship. Now if Snoke set her up without Kylo's knowledge, they could be competing apprentices that don't even know they are! Total Recall! :X

 

[ReAxion]

You do know that's not in the movie, right?

And it's right that it wasn't, as I previously posted. Several times. Keep up.

Thanks for the helpful reminder that that wasn't in the movie tho.

 

[MMarston]

Well we are almost through OT2 here, there has been very little fresh material, just new people coming in having just seen the movie.

I still propose that OT3's title be Talk Rey, All Day, Every Day

Because that's generally what things are mostly about here

One fun out there theory I saw someone drop a while back is that she's the daughter of an evil force user that died by Luke's own hand. Which would be an interesting inversion of the Empire reveal.

Luke: Do you know what happened to your father?

Rey: I think I know enough. He's got to be you.

Luke: No, Rey. I...I killed your father.

Helluva callback to the fake-twist they used in ESB's production.

 

[FloatOn]

Dude, we get it. You REALLY like Star Wars.

Obviously the movie is a flawless masterpiece that transcends critiscm

sarcasm isn't helpful

I wouldn't say it's flawless. like I said before, no movie is perfect. It is the third best star wars movie though. and that's kind of a big deal especially after the crap we have been through with the prequels.

 

[TheOctodad]

Agree. That exchange really sticks in my craw when I think about her being Luke's kid too. It would be "From a certain point of view" all over again if both parties being discussed on both ends of that conversation are Luke Skywalker.

One fun out there theory I saw someone drop a while back is that she's the daughter of an evil force user that died by Luke's own hand. Which would be an interesting inversion of the Empire reveal.

Luke: Do you know what happened to your father?

Rey: I think I know enough. He's got to be you.

Luke: No, Rey. I...I killed your father.

Rey's father = Palpatine

 

[Skellig Gra]

True.

So like i said, what was the point of casting them? They are insanely talented and were underused.

Probably same reason as making Phasma a woman. Extra hype but no substance.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

And it's right that it wasn't, as I previously posted. Several times. Keep up.

Thanks for the helpful reminder that that wasn't in the movie tho.

That's cute. lol

 

[Starsailor]

Seen posts a few pages back about some US theatres still being sold out... Don't know if that happens often when a movie's been released for more than a week, sure seems crazy to me. Crazy good!

In France the movie make record for an international movie (not french). 3,8 millions.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

Is it nitpicking if I was expecting the offspring of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher to look a lot less plain than the guy they've chosen to play Kylo Ren?

I think that's the intended purpose. He's someone trying to live up to Darth Vader's name.

*tires screech*



You can't backpedal to an over-arching mary sue argument, trite as it is, when the pillars are being knocked away.

That's kind of condescending.

 

[Starsailor]

Am I the only one that understand the "call back" to the revelation "i'm your father" from ESB during SW7?

At one point, during Han/Kylo exchange, Han said "YOU'RE MY SON"

 

[Skellig Gra]

Seen posts a few pages back about some US theatres still being sold out... Don't know if that happens often when a movie's been released for more than a week, sure seems crazy to me. Crazy good!

It's obviously very good but they are kind of in a perfect storm right now. The weather has been exceptionally pleasant in the US and lots of people are off work/school so people are looking for reasons to get out of the house. Add that to the positive buzz and its $$.

 

[Hawkian]

Yeah this my exact thinking; I thought it spelled it out pretty clearly. I think it's pretty weird that so many people still think they're father/daughter, but I guess Maz could have just been being super riddle-y for some reason.

Also, I guess I'm probably latching onto that line because I really really really don't want her to be Luke's daughter.

Yeah I really don't know. I cite this as a strength of the script, honestly. I feel very confident that she is Luke's daughter and am surprised there is so much debate, and others like you are in the exact opposite corner.

The line immediately preceding the one you're referring to there is:

"That lightsaber was Luke's, and his father's before him. And now it calls to you."

 

[FeD.nL]

Where do you get that Snoke wasn't bothered? What do you think Snoke actually wants if not Luke/Rey?

Snoke absolutely wants to prevent the resistance from finding Luke. But he's not after him like Kylo is. As I said, Hux specifically mentions to Kylo that 'his personal interests shouldn't interfere with orders from Snoke' and goes on to say that if the droid can't be captured the map should be destroyed (once again as ordered by Snoke).

That specifically tells you that Snoke doesn't put a high priority on killing Luke, who is looking for the first Jedi temple. Snoke's endgame is still very much kept in the dark. He definitely wants to prevent the Jedi from returning but doesn't seem to care extremely much for Luke himself.

 

[Blader]

I glad kids are liking the film. They deserve good Star Wars to latch on to.

eh, they had no problem latching onto the prequels or Clone Wars.


It is a bit weird to me, though, that there's a whole generation of fans who regard their adventures of Obi-Wan and Anakin as their Star Wars. Makes me feel old somehow.

 

[TheOctodad]

Yeah I really don't know. I cite this as a strength of the script, honestly. I feel very confident that she is Luke's daughter and am surprised there is so much debate, and others like you are in the exact opposite corner.

The line immediately preceding the one you're referring to there is:

"That lightsaber was Luke's, and his father's before him. And now it calls to you."

I think for some, it just feels so obvious they wonder if it's a bait and switch.

 

[The Elite]

Rey's father = Palpatine

Anakin killed Palpatine though, not Luke.

 

[Liquidsnake]

I'm in the theater for round two.

I love you guys.

 

[Theodoricos]

Agree. That exchange really sticks in my craw when I think about her being Luke's kid too. It would be "From a certain point of view" all over again if both parties being discussed on both ends of that conversation are Luke Skywalker.

One fun out there theory I saw someone drop a while back is that she's the daughter of an evil force user that died by Luke's own hand. Which would be an interesting inversion of the Empire reveal.

Luke: Do you know what happened to your father?

Rey: I think I know enough. He's got to be you.

Luke: No, Rey. I...I killed your father.

That would definitely be an interesting subversion.

Another thing to note is that the person holding Rey's hand is definitely not Lor San Tekka. He's being rough with her and telling her to be quiet.

If Luke dropped her on Jakku, you would think that she'd leave her with Lor San Tekka (who we presume has been watching over her given how much he knows) similarly to how he himself was left with his aunt and uncle.

 

[MMarston]

I'm in the theater for round two.

I love you guys.

Get in the fucking theater Shinji.



Also, has anyone considered that Shmi may have had a sister/bro?

 

[Skellig Gra]

I'm in the theater for round two.

I love you guys.

Merry Christmas brother.

 

[LSauchelli]

Twist: Rey is Anakin reborn. Heh.

 

[TheOctodad]

Snoke absolutely wants to prevent the resistance from finding Luke. But he's not after him like Kylo is. As I said, Hux specifically mentions to Kylo that 'his personal interests shouldn't interfere with orders from Snoke' and goes on to say that if the droid can't be captured the map should be destroyed (once again as ordered by Snoke).

That specifically tells you that Snoke doesn't put a high priority on killing Luke, who is looking for the first Jedi temple. Snoke's endgame is still very much kept in the dark. He definitely wants to prevent the Jedi from returning but doesn't seem to care extremely much for Luke himself.

I think that's AN interpretation, but I don't agree that the parts you are linking make it clear.

Snoke could just already know where the first temple is. He could be more interested in Rey and preventing her from getting to the temple. There's a myriad of ways besides "He doesn't care about Luke."

Anakin killed Palpatine though, not Luke.

I killed your father ... from a certain point of view.

That would definitely be an interesting subversion.

Another thing to note is that the person holding Rey's hand is definitely not Lor San Tekka. He's being rough with her and telling her to be quiet.

If Luke dropped her on Jakku, you would think that she'd leave her with Lor San Tekka (who we presume has been watching over her given how much he knows) similarly to how he himself was left with his aunt and uncle.

Luke: "I don't have much time, I assume the money I paid you will guarantee that you deliver the girl to San Tekka? You will get the other half when San Tekka confirms her arrival."

Angry person: "Absolutely, who are you?"

Luke: "The less you know the better."

Doesn't take much to make sense of something like that.

 

[Captain_Fujisawa]

Didn't Kathleen Kennedy say all the actors are coming back for Episode VIII? They could be playing different characters.

I'm pretty sure one of them was fighting Finn in the stormtrooper costume, with the odd electric fighting stick.

 

[Glycemic Beg]

True.

So like i said, what was the point of casting them? They are insanely talented and were underused.

Someone mentioned that they were hired for stunt related work, not to act. I'm sure it was a nice bonus to cameo in the film, they were never intended to be major characters or anything.

One was probably the baton trooper.

 

[Ophelion]

Yeah I really don't know. I cite this as a strength of the script, honestly. I feel very confident that she is Luke's daughter and am surprised there is so much debate, and others like you are in the exact opposite corner.

The line immediately preceding the one you're referring to there is:

"That lightsaber was Luke's, and his father's before him. And now it calls to you."

It's definitely just a little ambiguous. Now, don't get me wrong, even though I like entertaining alternate theories about Rey's origins, I still think it's most likely that she's Luke's daughter. It does seem strange to me to cloak it in such mystery if they're just going for the most obvious choice.

But then I remember this is a JJ Abrams joint and it could just be there to make dorks like me speculate endlessly on the internet when I'm supposed to be working.

Stop making me so unproductive, JJ!

 

[Cth]

Ok, so going out on a limb here..

The next way detractors will try to slam the film is by saying Kanji Club is somehow racist.

 

[Skellig Gra]

Yeah I really don't know. I cite this as a strength of the script, honestly. I feel very confident that she is Luke's daughter and am surprised there is so much debate, and others like you are in the exact opposite corner.

The line immediately preceding the one you're referring to there is:

"That lightsaber was Luke's, and his father's before him. And now it calls to you."

Anakin and Luke barely had the thing. Obi-Wan had it for 20 years and who knows who had it for 35 years after it fell down a bottomless pit with Luke's hand.

 

[MMarston]

Ok, so going out on a limb here..

The next way detractors will try to slam the film is by saying Kanji Club is somehow racist.

don't give anymore ideas