[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up

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I'm unfortunately just not interested in the premise of any of the spin-off movies and I feel like they're all unnecessary. I feel like they could've been a lot more imaginative as far as premise goes (a KotOR movie, for instance - canon or no). At this point I'm just looking forward to Episode VIII.

I wanna see the Kessel run get done in 14 parsecs.

Twelve!

14...
 
My biggest complaint about the movie is... ever notice how NOBODY is allowed to finish a sentence without being interrupted?

Here, let me tell you this important thing BEEP BEEP BEEP incoming
Han, so great to see you I AM C3PO YOU MAY NOT RECOGNIZE ME
I'm not really with the resistance, I'm... BANG BANG OH SHIT

It makes for a fast paced, exciting movie, but goddamn it's an annoying device after the 5th time.
 
Rogue One's about stealing the Death Star plans, but it's not actually going to be set on the Death Star by the looks of it. Maybe a few scenes with Vader on it or something, but I still think it'll feel fresh by following a bunch of standard rebel soldiers.
 
that young Han Solo movie is the worst idea Lucasfilm has ever had since the prequels

people complain about Ridley Scott doing the Alien creature origins

shit, I really, really don't need to see where Han Solo came from at all considering the type of character he is and how he works within the films, and I specially don't wanna see Star Wars Babies with another actor playing fucking Han Solo

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that young Han Solo movie is the worst idea Lucasfilm has ever had since the prequels

people complain about Ridley Scott doing the Alien creature origins

shit, I really, really don't need to see where Han Solo came from at all considering the type of character he is and how he works within the films, and I specially don't wanna see Star Wars Babies with another actor playing fucking Han Solo

what a god damn terrible idea, I still can't get over it

They've said they don't want to do an origins story but rather just do an adventure that Han Solo had before he joined up with the rebellion .
 
While the Force Awakens itself is fantastic, the OST is probably the weakest of the 7.

I do think its because it moves the most out of all of them. The prequels have some of the best themes because there's so much talking and standing around.

TFA is basically just a sprint from start to finish--really limited Williams in what he could do. No surprise that Reys was maybe the strongest new track--and her introduction is the only portion of the movie where things slow down a bit.
 
I think the Han Solo film could work if they have old Han at the start and end of the film narrating the story. Kinda like in the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. That way the fact that young Han is played by someone else could be explained by it just being a story told to someone (maybe the story isn't even accurate). Hell instead of old Han it also could be someone on Jakku telling Rey about the legendary smuggler.
 
naw, williams has been on the decline for about a decade now. I found the prequels to be inconsistent, i only ever really liked Duel of the Fates but found the rest of the music in the PTs to be forgettable.

It's just hard to see Williams be just merely okay when he has so many amazing films under his belt. But i guess they can't all be bangers
 
We've got a man who went on The /Filmcast, a popular movie podcast, and found erotic slashfiction written about the three co-hosts, and then proceeded to read it aloud to them as they awkwardly giggled and groaned.

This is the man directing the next Star Wars film and it will be glorious.

Where? I need to hear this shit.
 
Saw the movie just a few hours ago. As someone who likes Star Wars but not enough to consider myself a fan (episodes 4 and 5 are legit great, but 6 is "eh whatever" besides a few good scenes, 1 and 2 are boring as hell and 3 is okay), this movie was so much better than I was expecting. Probably the best blockbuster movie I've seen in a long while, kept me glued to the screen the whole way through. My initial reaction is that I liked it just as much as 4 and 5. Maybe I'll watch it again next year.

I do hate the fact that I could only find 3D showings near where I live. It's so freaking uncomfortable having to wear one glass over the other. My regular one is already uncomfortable enough so putting another one on top of that made it almost unbearable at some points.
 
I don't think Rey is Luke's daughter, I think she's just one of the students from his Jedi Academy. Jedi's don't have children, and I couldn't see them introducing a Luke love interest into the series.
 
I actually really liked this exchange. Once they're done speaking they look at each other like friends do who poke fun at each other. They smirk like they were cracking jokes, and it's the only part of the whole PT that makes you feel like Anakin and Obi-wan were actually friends.
I can't stand it. They smirk like they were cracking jokes, but aren't. And more importantly we should be seeing them on this fun adventure they're reminiscing about, like we see Finn and Poe interacting on their adventure, rather than standing in an elevator talking about it.
The Padme enters and Anakin goes to shit.
OBI-WAN: We’re here to protect you Senator, not to start an investigation.
ANAKIN: We will find out who is trying to kill you Padmé, I promise you.
OBI-WAN: We are not going to exceed our mandate, my young Padawan learner.
ANAKIN: I meant in the interest of protecting her, Master, of course.
OBI-WAN: We are not going through this exercise again, Anakin. You will pay attention to my lead.
ANAKIN: Why?
OBI-WAN: What??!!
ANAKIN: Why else do you think we were assigned to her, if not to find the killer? Protection is a job for local security, not Jedi. It’s overkill, Master. Investigation is implied in our mandate.
OBI-WAN: We will do as the Council has instructed. And you will learn your place, young one.
FRAAAAANDS
 
naw, williams has been on the decline for about a decade now. I found the prequels to be inconsistent, i only ever really liked Duel of the Fates but found the rest of the music in the PTs to be forgettable.

It's just hard to see Williams be just merely okay when he has so many amazing films under his belt. But i guess they can't all be bangers

The only thing I like about the prequels is the music, actually. There's so many good stuff apart from Duel of the Fates IMO.

Such as:

Padme's Ruminations
Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale
Order 66 and the Jedi Temple
Battle of the Heroes
 
I can't stand it. They smirk like they were cracking jokes, but aren't. And more importantly we should be seeing them on this fun adventure they're reminiscing about, like we see Finn and Poe interacting on their adventure, rather than standing in an elevator talking about it.


FRAAAAANDS

Finn and Poe were more believable as friends in the few minutes after they got into that Tie Fighter than Obi Won and Anakin were over two films.
 
JJ doesn't have creative vision. He regurgitates other people's already existing creative visions and then makes them worse.

I usually don't mind JJ but after just seeing the film this morning, this post feels accurate.

The amount of manipulation and constant barrage of "hit them with the old stuff until they feel nostalgic!" without really providing any unique identity of its own is so bad. I haven't been this disappointed by a film in a very, very long time. So forgettable.

The whole plot has a major lack of strong roots holding up the movie when compared to A New Hope. We learn about the Empire, the Jedi, the fall of Luke's father, the plight of the Rebel Alliance all within such a short amount of time in a relatively eloquent way.

Wtf do we even have in TFA? Here's the First Order, we have no idea who they are but they're vicious stormtrooper guys I guess. Leia is General of the republic or the rebel alliance? Why are they called the resistance now? What's the state of the galaxy at the moment? I have no fucking clue. It's all so reliant on the old characters and stories it's ridiculous. I can't even remember the name of the main Sith baddie.

Finn and Poe were more believable as friends in the few minutes after they got into that Tie Fighter than Obi Won and Anakin were over two films.

They went too far with it too soon. Felt really forced.
 
that young Han Solo movie is the worst idea Lucasfilm has ever had since the prequels

people complain about Ridley Scott doing the Alien creature origins

shit, I really, really don't need to see where Han Solo came from at all considering the type of character he is and how he works within the films, and I specially don't wanna see Star Wars Babies with another actor playing fucking Han Solo

what a god damn terrible idea, I still can't get over it

Of all the old EU books I had read (50+), the Han Solo series stands out as probably my favorite "series". The writing wasn't particularly great or anything and it really hasn't aged well but it really did show that his history would be very interesting. His time in the Empire, saving Chewie, and his time as a smuggler, are all very interesting places to go.

MY only hang up is the casting. I don't think it will be possible. I've been surprised before, so we'll see. 51% interested, 49% not.

Also, Chewie kind of surprised be in TFA, honestly thought he was better portrayed than he was in the OT. By portrayed I mean the whole package, acting, directing, and writing. Mayhew did fine in the OT.


Finn and Poe were more believable as friends in the few minutes after they got into that Tie Fighter than Obi Won and Anakin were over two films.

Get out of my head, Kylo.
 
Williams is the new Lucas. Everyone is afraid to tell him "no, that's not good enough".

i think it's less that he cant take a no than it is that he's simply getting old. It's hard to feel inspired at his age, and when you've made so many great soundtracks you might just be running on fumes when you get as old as he is

Also, since we're discussing Rogue One: anyone wants to take any bets on Jabba being in the film?
 
I can't stand it. They smirk like they were cracking jokes, but aren't. And more importantly we should be seeing them on this fun adventure they're reminiscing about, like we see Finn and Poe interacting on their adventure, rather than standing in an elevator talking about it.


FRAAAAANDS

Like I said... to shit...
 
I think the biggest sign that they're distancing themselves from the prequels is that folks are grasping as straws to find a direct prequels reference in TFA. Sometimes, showing is telling and it's telling that they showed nothing at all

The prequel references are pretty obvious in TFA and there are multiple. But if you want to keep ignoring them and suggesting people are saying things they don't mean I think you're probably the one grasping at straws.

If you think TFA didn't have enough prequels references to meet your reference standard, how often do you talk about the 1960s?
 
I like the idea of VIII opening with the father/daughter revelation and just quickly getting that out of the way, hahaha. Little flip on ESB.

I bet they go this route. Like how quickly they addressed Ben/Kylo in VII. But something about their relationship will still need answers or something, and that'll be our climax.
 
I like the idea of VIII opening with the father/daughter revelation and just quickly getting that out of the way, hahaha. Little flip on ESB.

They kind of did that in this movie. Ren being Han and Leia's kid is casually dropped out there early on rather than get dropped as a bombshell at the end.
 
Christensen's delivery of "I HATE YOU" at the end of Revenge of the Sith is pretty perfect actually.

I actually really want to see him return in VIII as a Force Ghost/Hallucination cause I feel like he'd want another crack at it.

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Thanks!

I think this would have been so much more emotional if we hadn't of heard Anakin bitching about Obi-Wan to Padme for 2 movies straight. It doesn't cut as deep.

If they actually had that friendship in the beginning, and Anakin's fall was done better, then this would actually cut to the bone. Instead, it just feels like he's being a whiny 5 year old who just got sent to time out.
 
Why are you so convinced Luke had a kid? I don't get it.

In her flashback as a little girl she is screaming LUUUKKE and refers to him as Luke the whole movie. Jedi's don't have children. Luke has no love interest.
 
I bet they go this route. Like how quickly they addressed Ben/Kylo in VII. But something about their relationship will still need answers or something, and that'll be our climax.

They kind of did that in this movie. Ren being Han and Leia's kid is casually dropped out there early on rather than get dropped as a bombshell at the end.

Yeah, I really liked that they did that. It actually built up a lot more dread and emotion this way for the audience than it would have if they'd just used it as a shock twist at the climax when Han died.

It's certainly handled better than a similar twist in a recent big budget film.
 
Sorry dude, but you're bitching about a film based on what... the fact it's about a younger Han Solo? And calling it one of their worst ideas? It just comes across as staggeringly childish criticism not based on anything, given we don't know anything.

not based on anything?

I dont care about the earlier adventures of Han Solo. I think it diminishes the type of role he plays in the saga, and I don't like the idea of recasting the character at all

how are these not valid criticisms. wut

the "sure" was because yeah, it's just my opinion
 
I think this would have been so much more emotional if we hadn't of heard Anakin bitching about Obi-Wan to Padme for 2 movies straight. It doesn't cut as deep.

If they actually had that friendship in the beginning, and Anakin's fall was done better, then this would actually cut to the bone. Instead, it just feels like he's being a whiny 5 year old who just got sent to time out.

Yeah. There's the opening chase of AOTC which does a very bare-bones level of this, but then the rest of AOTC until the end, and most of ROTS has Obi-Wan and Anakin go in separate directions. They should've spent more time together.
 
I think this would have been so much more emotional if we hadn't of heard Anakin bitching about Obi-Wan to Padme for 2 movies straight. It doesn't cut as deep.

If they actually had that friendship in the beginning, and Anakin's fall was done better, then this would actually cut to the bone. Instead, it just feels like he's being a whiny 5 year old who just got sent to time out.

I agree with you, but as a scene individually on its own, I thought it was quite good. Christensen really did improve over the course of the two films he was in.

Luke being Rey's father means Luke abandoned her, she won't just shrug that off. It will be a major part of the plot if true

Most definitely.

Why are you so convinced Luke had a kid? I don't get it.

He has a working penis...?
 
The prequel references are pretty obvious in TFA and there are multiple. But if you want to keep ignoring them and suggesting people are saying things they don't mean I think you're probably the one grasping at straws.

If you think TFA didn't have enough prequels references to meet your reference standard, how often do you talk about the 1960s?

what references? a passing reference to clones (that could've been from ANH) and that Ewan Mcgregor said a thing during a flashback because, well, Alec Guinness is like super dead?

Compare that to the amount of stuff that is casually referenced from the OT and even if you find one or two things in TFA from the prequels it's not even close.
 
I think "duel of fates" should be used (with theme of rey and kylo) during star wars 8 if Rey and Kylo fights again each others.

But for IX i want a new original music for the final battle between those two.
 
Why are you so convinced Luke had a kid? I don't get it.

In her flashback as a little girl she is screaming LUUUKKE and refers to him as Luke the whole movie. Jedi's don't have children. Luke has no love interest.

There are plenty of solid arguments for this over plenty of previous pages, but here are some summaries.

Luke: The force is strong in my family, My father has it, I have it, and now you (Camera pans to Rey) have it.

Anakin/Luke's lightsaber "choosing" Rey.

Han obviously knows who she is, but doesn't say.
 
Finn and Poe were more believable as friends in the few minutes after they got into that Tie Fighter than Obi Won and Anakin were over two films.
Haha yeah that's the scene I was quoting in comparison the first time.

The scene of the two characters introducing themselves creates a more believable friendship than a full trilogy of character story. ahaha
 
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