why do some people have the ability to use the force and others dont? Who the fuck knows. But neither of those things you ask disprove that she's lukes daughter.
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why do some people have the ability to use the force and others dont? Who the fuck knows. But neither of those things you ask disprove that she's lukes daughter.
OriginofHysteria
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I think the difference between Episode 3 and Episode 7 is that Episode 7 does a great job building a foundation for the next two movies. Episode 3 didn't really do that for me when it comes down to going from Episode 3 to Episodes 4-6. It also doesn't help when the last shot of Vader is of him going "NOOOOOOOOOO" and the next shot of him in Episode 4 is walking through the corridors of the blockade runner being a badass.
(Midichlorians)
Last shot is actually the great moment of him and Sheev watching the Death Star construction from the bridge of a Star Destroyer.
Nothing that you say does though. It's like poetry.
OriginofHysteria
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Oh right. And young Grand Moff Tarkin is there too.
obviously its just my opinion, as there are no hard facts to go by from the Force Awakens, this much, i thought was obvious.
I just have a very strong feeling that she is Lukes daughter. My reasoning: the similarities i already mentioned from her and Luke from eipisode 4, from being hidden on a crap planet, to the clothes she wears being very similar to Lukes in Episode 4, to her force abilities, to the lightsabre calling to her.
I thought he was the final holdout who really didn't wanna do the movie but signed on cos all his old co-stars did?
Dude doesn't seem to be that obsessed with the fame really.
I don't think there's anything that hes done prior to EP 7 that compares to the OT and I stand by that. Combine that with his photos from a few years ago adds to my assumption that his SW roles are significant moments of his career. Which is what I ment. And I'm so happy to see him back owning his role we all love him for.
ReadingRambo
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Time for round two. This time with beer and a leather recliner.
I know it probably wouldn't have been greenlit but I think it's kind of a shame Finn rejects the First Order during his first battle.
He would've had a very interesting perspective and layer if he did kill innocents, or let's say Resistance fighters since that's a lot less black and white, and only later decided that it was wrong.
I'm happy with the way he turned out, he is certainly a whole lot more of a classical hero for it, but I think it would have been interesting if he had blood on his hands, albeit perhaps too heavy for a PG franchise that heavily markets to children.
He would've had a very interesting perspective and layer if he did kill innocents, or let's say Resistance fighters since that's a lot less black and white, and only later decided that it was wrong.
I'm happy with the way he turned out, he is certainly a whole lot more of a classical hero for it, but I think it would have been interesting if he had blood on his hands, albeit perhaps too heavy for a PG franchise that heavily markets to children.
I'm pretty sure he would have had to be the luckiest man on the planet to have done something post OT that would have compared at all.
ProudCanuck
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yahoo article today interesting..
I'm calling it now. Snoke has something to do with Luke. Luke is Snoke, or Snoke communicates with Luke, or Snoke works for him. VI created an imbalance in the force. No more Sith. No more Sith Lords to train future Sith. No more dark side. There has to be a balance in the force. Light and dark in opposition. Luke poses the capacity for both.
This trilogy began with the question, "Who is Luke Skywalker?"
The answer isn't "This generations Yoda." It's more than that.
This trilogy began with the question, "Who is Luke Skywalker?"
The answer isn't "This generations Yoda." It's more than that.
Yeah. It would have added something had he participated in the slaughter at the end, and had blood on his hands (and mask, har har) when he fled. Rather than refuse to participate completely. I think it worked as is, but that would have added a dimension to his plight.
harrison ford must be the luckiest man alive.
Gozer the Gozerian
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I really hope they go crazy with new ships and aliens in more prominent roles in the next one, this movie was just x-wings and tie fighters again and all the cool alien designs were background blink-and-you-miss it things. Which I guess is like 90% of star wars aliens but whatever.
CreepingFear
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A lot of people are discussing how Harrison Ford got his wish for Han to die, but what about Lawrence Kasdan's wish that Luke go off into the sunset on his own in ROTJ, damaged from the war and the fact that his father was Darth Vader? Basically, we got a very damaged Luke at the end of Episode 7. I'm most excited to explore that aspect going forward.
Also, the "guy with a shady past who doesn't want to get involved" had already been done with Han Solo back in the first film. So Finn winds up quite different by virtue of being a good person right from the start.
For people wanting this itch to be scratched, you should definitely check out the film's art book.
They came up with some cookey ones for sure.
shortsFortallPeople
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He's considered by many the best joker of the last two decades. So much so that there isn't a single time that the joker is announced for a game or animated film that people don't immediately ask about him.
His voice work isn't luke skywalker levels of fame but it's not like he's been in a dark shed for the last 30 years or something.
Sure enough that is true, but Han being a smuggler than occasionally shoots other smugglers (first) is not quite as heavy as a former Stormtrooper that killed innocents or good guys and then becomes a hero we're supposed to root for. We'll likely never see something like that in SW because it's just too grim, I think.
I suppose they could still show a flashback of a young Finn and his peers being instructed and shown to kill Republic/Resistance fighters or sympathisers or whatever, but that'd feel hamfisted I guess.
Much as I enjoy him, it just strikes me as off that Finn, who was raised to be a Stormtrooper from birth and, according to Hux, showed no prior signs of noncomformity, turned out to be so normal.
I have the suspicion that his original origins were a lot darker and nuanced but were toned down so he could be a more classical hero and the audience stand in. I would love to see the original draft or story notes one day.
OricWindstar
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Yeah, but he's writing the Solo spinoff.
Yes, he's doing the Han Solo movie. Johnson is writing Episode 8 and 9.
From the art book, the original event for his turn was
seeing very much alive captured Resistance soldiers getting jettisoned out a Star Destroyer's airlock
That was way darker than the off-screen civilian shooting we got
The Sum of Zero
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Finally saw the movie today, was pretty fucking good. One question though.
At the end of the Ren/Ray duel, did she destroy his lightsaber before hitting him in the face? It was hard to tell.
At the end of the Ren/Ray duel, did she destroy his lightsaber before hitting him in the face? It was hard to tell.
ProudCanuck
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i think what will happen in episode 8 and 9 is already set. how it will happen is done by Rian Johnson.
bigwinnerx
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Went to 3D IMAX this afternoon at Smithsonian.
Good stuff. Show was sold out. People sitting in the aisles.
Good stuff. Show was sold out. People sitting in the aisles.
Disagree. He was humilanized more than any other villain in a Star Wars movie and that was a great thing.
JumPeRJumPzZ
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I just got around to watching the movie. As a big Star Wars fan, I really liked it.
I think the only actual complaint I had with it was the unnecessary superweapon. Sure, it's no more ridiculous than the Death Stars, but the only actual purpose of it being in the movie was for the cool firing scene. It destroyed some unknown planets that we had no connection to and then it gets blown up as basically a side quest to rescuing Rey. It didn't even add anything to the space battle really. If you took it out of the movie and had them assault some First Order base to rescue her it wouldn't have changed anything. Except that it could have been saved for a bigger climax.
Other than that it was all wonderful though, can't wait to watch it again.
I think the only actual complaint I had with it was the unnecessary superweapon. Sure, it's no more ridiculous than the Death Stars, but the only actual purpose of it being in the movie was for the cool firing scene. It destroyed some unknown planets that we had no connection to and then it gets blown up as basically a side quest to rescuing Rey. It didn't even add anything to the space battle really. If you took it out of the movie and had them assault some First Order base to rescue her it wouldn't have changed anything. Except that it could have been saved for a bigger climax.
Other than that it was all wonderful though, can't wait to watch it again.
Was so surprised to hear this tracked in but I think it worked friggin beautifully
It's kind of hard to say, because some things are being reincorporated into the new canon and some things aren't. Everything is being done on a piece by piece basis.
The Jedi Order still seems to be pretty much the same in terms of structure, since it was around so much during the PT and TCW, although I don't recall there being any canonical usage yet of the term "Grandmaster" for Yoda. But the basics are all the same: raised as younglings, become padawans, get trained and become Knights, highest rank to move up to is Master. No attachments, no romantic relationships, one padawan at a time per master, etc. The individual stories of some Jedi have changed, like with Depa Bilabba, who instead of disappearing from the story by going into a coma like in Shatterpoint now ended up waking from her coma (except this time the coma was induced by loss in battle to Grievous) and went on to train Caleb Dume/Kanan Jarus before she was killed during Order 66.
How Luke's version of the Jedi is structured is totally unknown, but I doubt it would be similar to the NJO.
In general, the Lucasfilm Story Group seems to be leaving the "background elements" like planetary names and the cultures associated with them, corporations, weapon types, etc. as they are, unless Lucas himself directly changed them (like Ryloth no longer being tidally locked or Mandalore having a pacifist government), but the characters get changed around a lot. The stuff in the distant past will probably end up getting radically changed around though.
Eesh.
While horrible, I think there is something inherently worse and darker about the slaughtering of innocents so I'm surprised they didn't go with that, but I guess it was easier to include the map MacGuffin that way.
I know what you're saying, but that only sounds like "cousin". It's definitely not when you slow it down.
Atraveller
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I'm not so sure about that.
BlackGhost
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Has anyone read Aftermath: Star Wars: Journey to Star Wars: The Force Awakens? Kinda want to check it out, heard it's the beginning to a couple novels
That being said I really enjoyed Kylo as a villian, I thought the movie did a good job of building him. I look forward to his character development. I loved the tantrums they showed throughout the movie. I loved when he acknowledged Vader and that he wasn't as strong as him. By the end of the movie I was hoping he wouldn't die, I wanted to see more of him. The final battle was intense, I was relieved when they didn't kill him off in the first movie.
The only thing I knew about Kylo was a battle In the snow, forms the trailers. Stayed away from most info.
That being said I really enjoyed Kylo as a villian, I thought the movie did a good job of building him. I look forward to his character development. I loved the tantrums they showed throughout the movie. I loved when he acknowledged Vader and that he wasn't as strong as him. By the end of the movie I was hoping he wouldn't die, I wanted to see more of him. The final battle was intense, I was relieved when they didn't kill him off in the first movie.
Yeah, I can't hear for sure, but the word is ending with an "es" sound.
Now they just need to do it again but put on subtitles. It was too garbled to really understand.
"Face me cousin!" ???
OricWindstar
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Definitely a highlight of the movie.
Was just about to post this. I heard, "Face me, cousin!"
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