WadiumArcadium
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I think you may have mixed the characters up. Max von Sydow doesn't try to club anyone lol.
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Ether_Snake
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I didn't mention Sydow, I mentioned the guy in her vision and that those were possibly members of that same church and not Jedis.
Re-reading this, it's just now occurred to me that the First Order was formed in response to Luke's disappearance and that their driving mission -- or at least Snoke's -- is more Luke-centric than I realized.
Starsailor
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An extract from the novel (will come in January)
Kylo Ren say "It is you!" when Rey take with the Force Anakin lightsaber!
Kylo Ren say "It is you!" when Rey take with the Force Anakin lightsaber!
Gozer the Gozerian
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With Life Day almost here I think it is time to set aside our different opinions on TFA and celebrate this joyous time of year with our favorite holiday melody:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRrm59Z_0w4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRrm59Z_0w4
And I'm starting to think Starkiller was also a large bait
This is turning into a lot of effort for one dude.
NYCmetsfan
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He's the only jedi.
I'm curious about who or what snoke is. There's the whole rule of two with the sith. But both the emperor and vader died. So how did a new sith appear?
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An extract from the novel (will come in January)
Kylo Ren say "It is you!" when Rey take with the Force Anakin lightsaber!
Probably because he knows it must be the girl they had saved/kidnapped from years ago who they either lost or dumped on Jakku.
brandonh83
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I doubt that rule has weight now.
Warm Machine
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They barely had enough time to write one original story and make a movie out of it let alone project another full story in advance. Take a look at the Art of book and you'll get a good glimpse into how chaotic this thing must have been.
That vision is ultra obscure and vague to the point where she could be just about anyone and we would all go "of course!" if she does turn out to be Luke's daughter that would be pretty poor writing given Kylo.
Also the R2 shot, if R2 didn't have the map loaded by Luke then why does he have it? They say R2 was in low power since Luke left. If the resistance just had it anyway why would they even need R2 for the ending plot point?
NYCmetsfan
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But it did through out the empire. I'm not saying they're can't be more than two sith now but it held true from sidious and plagius, sidious and maul, sidious and Dooku. then finially him and vader, who trained this new snoke?
YUP! I don't think Snoke gives two fucks about the FO. His wants to find Luke and makes it the FO's mission to do so as well. Starkiller base may have been a byproduct of that in order to hold of the New Republic, but Snoke's main goal is to find Skywalker.
It's why I think there is some ancient evil afoot.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
He's more likely trying to club a Knight of Ren. It's not all from her perspective. Certainly the vision of herself as a little girl on Jakku isn't. The Bespin one almost certainly isn't either.
Would explain Luke looking for the first jedi temples, trying to find answers to some ancient threat.
NYCmetsfan
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Rey. I think the skywalkers might have to sacrifice themselves to finailly bring balance that always has been promised but never fulfilled.
That was for 8 I believe.
It was nice weather at the time and apparently the location can be bitch if it's nasty so they took advantage ASAP
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It was in the script but not put in the movie, R2 got it among all sorts of other stuff when he downloaded stuff in the Death Star. Kylo says they got the same map (with the same bit missing) from the Emperial archives. Why would BOTH his map and the one Luke gave to R2 be useless and missing the same part? Because both got it from the same source: not Luke.
It is definitly not a knight of Ren, they are all behind Kylo, and she moves away and then rises up.
Ploid 3.0
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So I was looking into the old Star Wars movies and why 1-3 were so hated. I saw the Lucas Arts behind the scenes video on youtube, "Star Wars Episode I: What Went Wrong," that ended with "Jar Jar is the key to all of this." So I looked into Jar Jar videos to figure out what key role he played, and found this theory that he's a master and is like Yoda, appearing to be insignificant at first. Seeing how the antics of Jar Jar seem to have pissed people off, George may have felt forced to drop whatever he may have planned with him in episode 2 or 3 (if any of it is true).
Even if the whole Jar Jar theory isn't true, I liked the idea of it. Though I'm not a Star Wars fan and I know little of the lore. Looking forward to episode 8.
Even if the whole Jar Jar theory isn't true, I liked the idea of it. Though I'm not a Star Wars fan and I know little of the lore. Looking forward to episode 8.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Episode VIII scenes. They filmed in September because the weather conditions would be quite bad when principal photography starts.
Nobody is saying the entire finalized scripts for eps IX-XII are sitting in a Word document somewhere, but you're kidding yourself if you think these people don't have a general framework for this trilogy with certain narrative milestones that must be hit or hit very close to.
Glycemic Beg
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Maybe weather related reasons, they probably saved it for last to shoot episode 7 and 8 sequences quickly since it's dangerous there.
Maybe they were waiting for Hammil to get into better shape. Or maybe they wanted to save the toughest filming till the end.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
How many Knights of Ren are there and what are all of their names?
And the moving away thing tells me you're new to scenes like this. She freaks out and runs from the Bespin vision, too.
NYCmetsfan
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They filmed VIII scenes because the weather was good IIRC its not super easy to shoot there. I'm not sure if it was just VIII or it included this scene from VII
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This could work if the apocalyptic plot device is dark side/force focused for IX
WadiumArcadium
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A few things about this film which make zero sense to me -
1. When Finn and Poe escape in the Tie Fighter, instead of traveling on the Y axis away from the ship, they travel alongside underneath on the Z/X axis and therefore put themselves in the line of fire from the cannons. Throughout that entire sequence, I thought, "Why not just fly down or up relative to the ship, and NOT fly directly at all the cannons?"
2. When Han notices the Rathtars are loose, the entire group follows him off the Falcon and onto the freighter. Han walks up to a control panel and then notices the Gauvian Death Gang has arrived as well. Instead of turning around and walking back into the Falcon and taking off (which is exactly what they did 10 minutes later), for some inexplicable reason, they instead walk further into the freighter down some hallway, only to get pinned by the gangs and run off by the Rathtars.
It was obvious they needed some action sequence here to break up the exposition, but this was a really poorly conceived sequence. I'm honestly surprised they couldn't come up with something better.
1. When Finn and Poe escape in the Tie Fighter, instead of traveling on the Y axis away from the ship, they travel alongside underneath on the Z/X axis and therefore put themselves in the line of fire from the cannons. Throughout that entire sequence, I thought, "Why not just fly down or up relative to the ship, and NOT fly directly at all the cannons?"
2. When Han notices the Rathtars are loose, the entire group follows him off the Falcon and onto the freighter. Han walks up to a control panel and then notices the Gauvian Death Gang has arrived as well. Instead of turning around and walking back into the Falcon and taking off (which is exactly what they did 10 minutes later), for some inexplicable reason, they instead walk further into the freighter down some hallway, only to get pinned by the gangs and run off by the Rathtars.
It was obvious they needed some action sequence here to break up the exposition, but this was a really poorly conceived sequence. I'm honestly surprised they couldn't come up with something better.
Roberto Larcos
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Just got back from the cinema, first viewing...
And eh? People are really gushing over this? The humour was awful, undercut several good moments. More Carry On than classic Star Wars.
And eh? People are really gushing over this? The humour was awful, undercut several good moments. More Carry On than classic Star Wars.
Exactly. EVERYONE seems to know who Snoke is. Han, Leia. So I Assume Luke and even the resistance knows.
It's why I want to learn more about him. He COULD be the "big bad" yet he has more of an army behind him OR he's working for someone/something else.
Although it does say Snoke is trained in the darkside and that has to do with his facial deformities.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
And he has his weapon raised and has his back to Kylo because? Nevermind, I don't want to watch you go in circles on this.
You want to Alien 3 this series?
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NYCmetsfan
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Whoever snoke is I hope they have a good explanation why he never showed up in the OT or PT. Since he seems to be super important
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No need to nevermind this, it makes sense if he wants to kill young Rey before Kylo and Co. gets their hands on her.
Could have been in a vulnerable position with Palpie alive. Waited for a moment of weakness to arise.
They got those scenes out of the way because the weather was good around that time. I heard it can be pretty nasty.
Starsailor
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I don"t care about Snoke alias Thanos 2
i want the story plot to be about Kylo/Rey rivality
NYCmetsfan
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No I don't think any death is guaranteed but I see that more than Poe who they already were gonna kill but then decided not to.
I mean darth died a redemptive death, the series as already done it.
I'm still curious what the title means, I think VII more than any other film in the series is going to be judged on what comes after. If VIII sucks this will sucks but if VIII is great it will elevate this even more.
Not everyone.
Oh it will. Don't worry. Just in this Episode I'm sure you're going to get a lot of exposition that explains quite a bit. Even the questions we're asking right now.
From a certain point of view
NYCmetsfan
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Han and Leia know because he twisted kylo.
Okay then.
So, if it was for Episode VIII... That means E8 could conceivably be the first Star Wars sequel that starts right where the previous one left off. That would be interesting to see. What would be the title crawl be like in that case? I was figuring the movie could start with a twist for the franchise and kick it off with a flashback to the whole Luke/Kylo/Rey?/Knights of Ren sequence, (hopefully) explaining everything that was left up in the air. The crawl would explain the events immediately previous to that. That would be certainly odd though.
Or not. I don't know. Maybe the movie starts off a ways in the future with Rey deep into some Jedi training.
So, if it was for Episode VIII... That means E8 could conceivably be the first Star Wars sequel that starts right where the previous one left off. That would be interesting to see. What would be the title crawl be like in that case? I was figuring the movie could start with a twist for the franchise and kick it off with a flashback to the whole Luke/Kylo/Rey?/Knights of Ren sequence, (hopefully) explaining everything that was left up in the air. The crawl would explain the events immediately previous to that. That would be certainly odd though.
Or not. I don't know. Maybe the movie starts off a ways in the future with Rey deep into some Jedi training.
Mark Hamil must be pinching himself everyday. He must've spent years reminiscing about the glory days of his past, being part of the biggest franchises in cinema, how he was sought after by all...he probably thought 'man that was a once in a lifetime ride'... And now he's miraculously back there again, but this time hes part of something that is the bigger. I'm so happy for him, probably thought those days were long gone.
Well yea. But I don't think it's a reach to assume most people know who he is. It's just that right now everything surrounding him is a mystery.
OriginofHysteria
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For anyone still confused about the political situation:
Endor was the pivotal moment. After Palpatine died, the Empire fell into chaos because following his dissolution of the Senate, he never enacted a proper line of succession. The Senate would have been able to elect a new emperor, but without the Senate and with no clear second-in-command other than Vader (who was also dead), the moffs turned on each other and everything started to implode. Grand Vizier Mas Amedda tried to hold the Imperial core together by using body doubles to pretend that Palpatine was still alive but people saw through it fairly easily. There were coups with various people proclaiming themselves to be emperor, Imperial civil wars, and power grabs and fiefdoms set up by governors across the galaxy. Valco Pandion declared himself a Grand Moff since nobody could really stop him, Adelhard instituted the Iron Blockade in the Anoat sector and spread the propaganda that Palpatine's death was a Rebel lie, etc.
Palpatine himself orchestrated, following his death, a giant SCREW-YOU-FOR-WINNING plan called Operation: Cinder in which planets were bombarded with Base Delta Zero style genocide tactics, using droids that gave secret orders to specific Imperial leaders. They tried to destroy Naboo with some crazy weather satellites but Leia, Shara Bey (Poe's mom), and the current queen managed to stop it, along with the Rebel fleet under Lando's command. Naboo then ended up getting invaded three times by Imperial loyalists who wanted to reclaim it due to it being Palpatine's homeworld, but they were defeated.
A few months into the chaos, the Rebellion officially transforms itself into the New Republic on Chandrila and elects Mon Mothma as its Chancellor. The emergency powers from the Clone Wars are repealed and Mothma announces her intention of reducing the military by 90% following the end of the war. Some of her advisors think she is crazy. Her plan is to let member planets defend themselves with their own local forces, although the Republic would keep a downsized navy. Basically she just wanted to decentralize power.
Around this time, Admiral Rae Sloane - who had become one of the highest ranking admirals with Piett's death on the Executor - tried to form the Imperial Future Council on Akiva with a number of other dignitaries (such as "Grand Moff" Valco Pandion, General Jylia Shale, a slaver/banker named Arsin Crassus, Palpatine's advisor Yupe Tashu, etc.) and they debated what to do but never came to a conclusion. Pandion wanted to try to counterattack, Shale wanted to try to sue for peace, Crassus just wanted his money protected, Tashu wanted to retreat beyond the edges of the galaxy as he claimed that Palpatine felt his powers came from somewhere else and that the wellspring of the dark side existed somewhere beyond the veil of stars. The council ended up getting disrupted by rebels trying to rescue Wedge Antilles, who was captive there, and while most of the dignitaries died or were captured, Sloane escaped into deep space where she met with a "mysterious admiral" who had ulterior motives. Most of the dignitaries believed that by this point the Super Star Destroyer Ravager was the last big weapon the Imperials had, since many ISDs had been captured by the New Republic through battles or defecting captains, but apparently whoever this admiral is was in possession of more secret weapons. A lot of fans speculate it's Thrawn. His story isn't done yet, since we still have two Aftermath books to go.
One year after Endor, the Battle of Jakku happens, which is the largest battle since the destruction of the Death Star II and was fought over an Imperial weapons facility there. Grand Moff Randd is defeated by the New Republic forces under General Rieekan and Grand Admiral Ackbar. This is also the battle where (Lost Stars spoilers)
. After the total rout at Jakku, the Imperial core signs the Grand Concordance with the New Republic, which is eager to end the war, and the Empire is limited to the Core worlds. They official government apparently respect the treaty and stay within their bounds, but Imperial loyalist forces escape into the Outer Rim and Unknown Regions, like those under (Lost Stars spoiler)
. Mothma maintains the military on war footing initially but eventually decreases its size.
Over the next 29 years, there's apparently a lot of destabilization and growth in piracy, organized crime, and alien invasions as the New Republic fails to establish control on the level of the Empire due to its decentralized nature and small military. The First Order forms at some point as a neo-Imperial loyalist junta in the Unknown Regions, somehow getting the resources to build the Starkiller Base and next generation ships in contravention of the Grand Concordance, which they are officially signed to. They also adopt the theory of Brendol Hux, the former commandant of the Empire's Arkanis Academy, that a superior sort of Stormtrooper can be created by brainwashing and training children from birth, thereby giving them the loyalty and expertise of Clonetroopers and the genetic diversity of Stormtroopers; ironically, Hux got this idea from the old Jedi Order. General Hux is his son. There are also traitorous senators who are secretly supplying intelligence and money to the First Order. The New Republic is suspicious of them but refuses to engage them, not wanting another war, and Leia - who is fiercely anti-FO - is branded as an "alarmist". However, those in the government and military who are dissatisfied with the official response to the FO's growing threat form the Resistance under Leia and other ex-Rebel leaders like Ackbar and Ematt, and the organization is tolerated by the NR since it does its dirty work for it.
Where Snoke comes in, the Jedi get massacred, and the Knights of Ren get involved is unclear.
Endor was the pivotal moment. After Palpatine died, the Empire fell into chaos because following his dissolution of the Senate, he never enacted a proper line of succession. The Senate would have been able to elect a new emperor, but without the Senate and with no clear second-in-command other than Vader (who was also dead), the moffs turned on each other and everything started to implode. Grand Vizier Mas Amedda tried to hold the Imperial core together by using body doubles to pretend that Palpatine was still alive but people saw through it fairly easily. There were coups with various people proclaiming themselves to be emperor, Imperial civil wars, and power grabs and fiefdoms set up by governors across the galaxy. Valco Pandion declared himself a Grand Moff since nobody could really stop him, Adelhard instituted the Iron Blockade in the Anoat sector and spread the propaganda that Palpatine's death was a Rebel lie, etc.
Palpatine himself orchestrated, following his death, a giant SCREW-YOU-FOR-WINNING plan called Operation: Cinder in which planets were bombarded with Base Delta Zero style genocide tactics, using droids that gave secret orders to specific Imperial leaders. They tried to destroy Naboo with some crazy weather satellites but Leia, Shara Bey (Poe's mom), and the current queen managed to stop it, along with the Rebel fleet under Lando's command. Naboo then ended up getting invaded three times by Imperial loyalists who wanted to reclaim it due to it being Palpatine's homeworld, but they were defeated.
A few months into the chaos, the Rebellion officially transforms itself into the New Republic on Chandrila and elects Mon Mothma as its Chancellor. The emergency powers from the Clone Wars are repealed and Mothma announces her intention of reducing the military by 90% following the end of the war. Some of her advisors think she is crazy. Her plan is to let member planets defend themselves with their own local forces, although the Republic would keep a downsized navy. Basically she just wanted to decentralize power.
Around this time, Admiral Rae Sloane - who had become one of the highest ranking admirals with Piett's death on the Executor - tried to form the Imperial Future Council on Akiva with a number of other dignitaries (such as "Grand Moff" Valco Pandion, General Jylia Shale, a slaver/banker named Arsin Crassus, Palpatine's advisor Yupe Tashu, etc.) and they debated what to do but never came to a conclusion. Pandion wanted to try to counterattack, Shale wanted to try to sue for peace, Crassus just wanted his money protected, Tashu wanted to retreat beyond the edges of the galaxy as he claimed that Palpatine felt his powers came from somewhere else and that the wellspring of the dark side existed somewhere beyond the veil of stars. The council ended up getting disrupted by rebels trying to rescue Wedge Antilles, who was captive there, and while most of the dignitaries died or were captured, Sloane escaped into deep space where she met with a "mysterious admiral" who had ulterior motives. Most of the dignitaries believed that by this point the Super Star Destroyer Ravager was the last big weapon the Imperials had, since many ISDs had been captured by the New Republic through battles or defecting captains, but apparently whoever this admiral is was in possession of more secret weapons. A lot of fans speculate it's Thrawn. His story isn't done yet, since we still have two Aftermath books to go.
One year after Endor, the Battle of Jakku happens, which is the largest battle since the destruction of the Death Star II and was fought over an Imperial weapons facility there. Grand Moff Randd is defeated by the New Republic forces under General Rieekan and Grand Admiral Ackbar. This is also the battle where (Lost Stars spoilers)
Captain Ciena Ree crashes the ISD Inflictor into Jakku after it is compromised by Thane Kyrell's troops, and this is probably the ISD that we see Rey drive by in TFA.
Nash Windrider, who retreats to the Queluhan nebula and vows revenge.
Over the next 29 years, there's apparently a lot of destabilization and growth in piracy, organized crime, and alien invasions as the New Republic fails to establish control on the level of the Empire due to its decentralized nature and small military. The First Order forms at some point as a neo-Imperial loyalist junta in the Unknown Regions, somehow getting the resources to build the Starkiller Base and next generation ships in contravention of the Grand Concordance, which they are officially signed to. They also adopt the theory of Brendol Hux, the former commandant of the Empire's Arkanis Academy, that a superior sort of Stormtrooper can be created by brainwashing and training children from birth, thereby giving them the loyalty and expertise of Clonetroopers and the genetic diversity of Stormtroopers; ironically, Hux got this idea from the old Jedi Order. General Hux is his son. There are also traitorous senators who are secretly supplying intelligence and money to the First Order. The New Republic is suspicious of them but refuses to engage them, not wanting another war, and Leia - who is fiercely anti-FO - is branded as an "alarmist". However, those in the government and military who are dissatisfied with the official response to the FO's growing threat form the Resistance under Leia and other ex-Rebel leaders like Ackbar and Ematt, and the organization is tolerated by the NR since it does its dirty work for it.
Where Snoke comes in, the Jedi get massacred, and the Knights of Ren get involved is unclear.
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The title crawl in that case would be as if VIII was the first movie, and it told us what Luke had been up to since VI. Basically a parallel text crawl to VII's. I think the same that it would be weird to skip his reunion with Chewie/R2/Rey/Falcon, we just meet him and don't hear a word from him, instead timeskip?
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