We might get one with the Boba Fett film, although you never know with Hollywood.
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We might get one with the Boba Fett film, although you never know with Hollywood.
I'm really hoping Ep VIII has a scene where Rey builds her own.
Finn and Rey are co-leads. Beyond that, you won't get one until the Boba Fett movie.
excelsiorlef
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Yeah but fuck Boba Fett.
Also a minority in a helmet 99% of the time is hardly exciting.
Definitely love to see a minority lead. I imagine Finn is only gonna grow more important, be interesting to see where they go with him
Wait what? Why the fuck is Boba Fett getting a film?
Because he looks cool.
Jazzy Network
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Because he has a cool helmet.
Because he's a fan favorite, looks cool and bounty hunting would be a cool angle for a Star Wars film.
EA should do a game similar to what Human Head was wanting to do on Prey 2. Game of the parsec!
He drives most of that story. It's not like Han Solo in ANH where he's just along for the ride save for a choice at the end, or Leia who doesn't actively influence most of the plot save for putting the plans in R2.
Finn's arc is to stop running and to instead find a reason to fight back and confront the First Order.
Dubbedinenglish
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You're saying the plucky black space janitor who has heart (tm) isn't enough?
They way Finn fell into the comedic sidekick and space janitor (ugh) let me down this movie. I do hope there is more to him in the next few.
I thought he was a legit badass. Just in over his head a bit but he held his own. I believe he mentions Jakku being his first battle so he was just a bit green but he held his own also against very powerful people.
Silphonica
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Right I want to steer a question to you guys about using a lightsaber and if it has any significance about being force sensitive? We see Finn use a saber but whether or not he is force sensitive has yet to be confirmed. However, as stated hundreds of posts back someone said anyone can use a saber, because Han Solo used one in esb.
However, i'm not convinced Han solo is not force sensitive I suppose. Even just a little bit. His apathy towards the force is pretty prevalent early on and even after acceptance he is much happier sticking to what he knows. He had a son who is force sensitive, but it could be argued that is because of Leia. However, Leia has not shown much in the way of force sensitivity other than perception (when she knows luke made it off the death star in rotj and when han dies in tfa). Kylo Ren at his best is shown to possess powers greater than vader, and this is wild speculation, but that might have something to do with being born to two force sensitive people. Just like is plausible that Rey being born to a kenobi and skywalker made her more gifted than her parents (which I feel is being conveyed through her character).
Thoughts?
However, i'm not convinced Han solo is not force sensitive I suppose. Even just a little bit. His apathy towards the force is pretty prevalent early on and even after acceptance he is much happier sticking to what he knows. He had a son who is force sensitive, but it could be argued that is because of Leia. However, Leia has not shown much in the way of force sensitivity other than perception (when she knows luke made it off the death star in rotj and when han dies in tfa). Kylo Ren at his best is shown to possess powers greater than vader, and this is wild speculation, but that might have something to do with being born to two force sensitive people. Just like is plausible that Rey being born to a kenobi and skywalker made her more gifted than her parents (which I feel is being conveyed through her character).
Thoughts?
The dude wasn't revealed to have done janitorial work until the last 20 minutes. And that's after he's made the choice to face the First Order.
Finn plays a big role but the new trilogy is centred around the character of Rey.
He might not make it to the end. Rey most assuredly will.
Rey's story will define this new trilogy. Finn's will not.
Finn is a big step in the right direction but it's not enough. If JJ and Kennedy really want the franchise to reflect the world than they need to commit to that ideal. Sticking minorities in supporting roles - no matter how big - where they play second fiddle to white people time and again is not enough.
We've had Luke. We've had Anakin. Now we have Rey and Felicity Jones' character.
It's time to shake things up.
Hasphat'sAnts
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How is having the most satisfying arc in the whole movie not enough?
A lightsaber is a metal tube with a button on it.
Finn probably had some level of military weapons training to help him survive long enough.
Off-topic, but Once Were Warriors is really good
Trigonometrize.
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Seriously. If you want someone who's just made to look and act cool the whole time but has a nothing character check out Mace Windu.
Jacksinthe
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No way an ordinary human can dodge blaster fire like Han did when Greedo took the first shot in the cantina in Ep4. That was EPIC! Force sensitive!
Han shot first.
prag16
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He also probably practiced with his mop.
Silphonica
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No offense but i'm pretty apathetic to the argument of rey being white a bad thing. Maybe i'm miss interpreting your point on the subject. She comes from skywalker, kenobi or both, just making her a different ethnicity to look good when her lineage is white doesn't make sense for me. I understand wanting to have different minorities represent larger roles in movies, but doing it for the sake of it, even if it breaks character is pointless, for me. I think pushing it she could be halfcast though.
But personally I like Rey as she is.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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so how big of an asshole is c 3po for bitch slapping his best friend like 3 seconds after he comes out a coma?
Kitschkraft
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That's an academic point. Yeah, going from scared storm-janitor to facing Kylo and ending in a coma is an arc. But people don't just watch movies to identify particular arcs. I suppose that more "educated" viewers do. And it's definitely interesting to discuss that type of thing after the fact. But that doesn't necessarily guarantee the best or most relatable character.
He was making the comment that we should have a minority lead in a side story AFTER Rogue One. I don't think he has a problem with Rey as lead.
Finn actually seems perfect for that, he could easily support his own movie. It'd be better to have a brand new character though.
LOL He's always been like that.
I like to think of it as an abusive relationship on both sides.
Just wait it out man, this is the age of white women in leading roles. Next will be minority men, then minority women. All things have gone in that order since time immemorial.
Society and Hollywood as a result ranks people like this:
White men > White women > Minority men > Minority women.
It is the way of things.
He's always doing that. He's always kicking and slapping R2. What I want to know is would R2 even feel it.
He's not saying Rey should be white. He's just sick of the natural progression for "diversity" within media to be a shift to white women, as seems to be the case between this film and Rogue One.
I feel like a lot of you are really downplaying Finn. He was an awesome character imo. He wasn't 'just a stormtrooper'; in fact that was kinda the whole point of his character arc.
The fact that he isn't good with a lightsaber (which I find also ironic considering how much complaining there is about somebody being too good with a lightsaber) doesn't detract from that.
The fact that he isn't good with a lightsaber (which I find also ironic considering how much complaining there is about somebody being too good with a lightsaber) doesn't detract from that.
Silphonica
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My bad. Fwiw I also like Finn's character a lot.
Han was probably the most well liked character. He still wasn't the main. That was Luke.
You're pretty much saying we should be satisfied with what we got of Finn. Again Love Finns character and can't see where they go. But the marketing sure made him out to be something he wasn't.
People going in with the expectation of said character most likely came out disappointed
brandonh83
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Luke ends with ke
Snoke ends with ke
Just sayin'
Snoke ends with ke
Just sayin'
Of course Rey being white is not a bad thing. I love Rey, she's a great protagonist. Not without her problems, but I love her all the same, and her ethnicity is not and has never been a problem for me.
I am, however, apprehensive of Kennedy's stewardship of the franchise. She is a feminist, but as I have come to expect of mainstream feminists, she is now two for two in following the stereotype in casting white female leads and then building a ethnically diverse cast around her.
Minorities have been playing second fiddle to white men for generations. Now they are poised to do the same for white women.
If you have an eye for it you'll see it.
For now, I am willing to accept that JJ and Kennedy are committed to what they claim is their goal, to make sure Star Wars reflects the world of today.
But to that end I expect some proof soon.
I want a black male lead that isn't second in importance to anyone and isn't a stereotype; Finn is a big step in this regard. I want to see a black woman that isn't sassy. I also want a Hispanic lead that doesn't have to be a tough chick or a man with a checkered criminal past. I want a female Asian lead that isn't fetishised because she's a woman and a male that isn't kung-fu master or computer geek.
We won't see all of these. We'll be lucky to get just one. But I want to see it soon rather than later.
Hasphat'sAnts
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I think he's the most relatable character because his motivations are simple and clearcut.
He runs because he no longer believes in what the FO stands for. He goes back because he's in love with Rey.
It helps that he starts and ends with a staredown against Kylo Ren. Something something poetry, something something it rhymes.
We'll see where they take Finn's character, but speaking for my self, I would've been ecstatic if the character I was excited about turned out to be Han instead of Luke.
We'll see who is chosen out of the reported Gina Rodriguez, Tatiana Maslany and Olivia Cooke for the next Star Wars film.
You're saying Snoke is Luke's clone made from the hand he lost in ESB?
Aren't they reading for a role in Episode VIII?
R2 had just cursed at 3PO, R2 wakes up and two seconds later he's already insulting poor 3PO. R2 is a foul mouthed jerk.
Trigonometrize.
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Really? I thought he looked sad as fuck.
He either looked shocked that someone found him, or like he knew exactly who Rey was.
Jest Chillin
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Gina Rodriguez would be great but Tatiana Maslany has a lot of hype and a huge following in the Sci Fi community already. I believe Cooke is already rumored for a lead role in the Ready Player One film that's in pre-production and tentatively estimated for a 2017 release as well, so there's a potential scheduling clash (though I'm pretty sure Ep VIII would win in a battle over the actress' time).
Basically I hope we get Gina but unless she absolutely kills it in the auditioning process I think the odds are stacked against her.
I felt he looked constipated.
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