I don't think you can call a lot of that new, considering it's the same stuff in a new coat of paint.
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I don't think you can call a lot of that new, considering it's the same stuff in a new coat of paint.
Bobby Roberts
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I don't think that's gonna be that a big problem at all, honestly. The creepy weirdo kid going increasingly off the deep end chasing a thing he can't ever really catch and ruining everything along the way? It's not going to be easy, but I don't see how Adam Driver's look and physicality is going to make that a hard sell.
Patrick Bateman becomes Tony Montana.
It's the seventh chapter in a 40 year old series that leans heavily on super-familiar aspects of basic mythological storytelling. Same stuff in a new coat of paint is going to be part of the package.
astroturfing
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Post your selfies, hot shot.
uhh where to start? obviously very bad skin, totally unsymmetric face (like 100%), and too skinny with little boy "muscles". hair is okay though i guess.
Well, at least we are a step closer to equality between the sexes.
Lights and Waves
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You're a mean fucking person.
So stop being shallow, then.
What the hell is wrong with people? What year is it??
Digital-Hero
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New for Star Wars films.
It's a Christmas miracle
peanutbutterlatte
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Seriously if y'all think Adam Driver is ugly you're giving me some serious insecurities. Would kill to look like him!
BruceLeeRoy
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Astro they just aint biting bro.
He is being sarcastic to try and shed light on those that hide in the darkness.
Ether_Snake
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This thread is constantly mutating into pointless whining. Star Wats won't have sex with you, calm down.
And your girls would drop you for Driver.
And your girls would drop you for Driver.
CoffeeJanitor
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Youre a good guy
You know what, considering Rey is probably gonna use a double-bladed lightsaber given the fact she's a staff wielder and all, I'mma be disappointed if Finn doesn't get Luke's lightsaber in the end.
I also want Finn to be the one to put down Ren in a rematch. They are opposite sides of the same coin.
Rey should take out Snoke or whoever Benicio Del Toro plays.
I also want Finn to be the one to put down Ren in a rematch. They are opposite sides of the same coin.
Rey should take out Snoke or whoever Benicio Del Toro plays.
astroturfing
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well at least im not fugly, im one of the best looking men of all time just fyi... a very important person told me so. and NOT my mom, i swear.
He's a good looking dude, no idea what folks are thinking..
And a great actor too.
Bobby Roberts
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I see Kylo taking Snoke out.
OricWindstar
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I'm so curious who Benicio will end up playing. Some kind of pirate/gangster seems like an obvious choice, but I also would mind him being a Knight of Ren. Kylo's in charge, but you have the more level headed older knight to his side.
"This saber calls to you..."
"Actually I wanna use a staff."
"Uh... okay then. Ummm. Here, Finn. You take it."
"But I'm not a je--"
"SOMEONE TAKE THE FUCKING SWORD"
I've found internet comments about Carrie Fisher to be a lot meaner. Apparently women aren't allowed to age.
This is just confusing. I think almost everybody would admit that Adam Driver has qualities that many people find attractive.
That's not a legitimate excuse. You can repackage Star Wars' age old inspirations in a way that doesn't feel like a literal retread. The Christ Figure is one of the most common literary techniques in story telling, and yet it's been done well hundreds of times without coming off like a 1:1 overlay with a new coat of paint.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Someone wants to watch the internet burn.
I like it. I'll stand by your side and face the storm
Bobby Roberts
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Same here. I'd say that one of the roles we don't have filled in this series yet is the untrustworthy agent of chaos that could just as easily hurt our heroes as they could help them, and likely will do both over the course of the film, but that's kinda what he already did as The Collector in Guardians, too.
It's not an "excuse" and even if it was, yes it is legitimate. The characters you're complaining about differentiate themselves enough that they're not "1:1 overlays," and you'd have to stretch pretty hard and pretty thin to reduce them to that point. That they share similarities with previously-essayed archetypes isn't enough to dismiss them on their own merits. That "new coat of paint" makes a lot of difference when the stories are so ingrained.
MoonsaultSlayer
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One of the many things I appreciated about the PT is that it took on a 50s era aesthetic to give it its own distinct time and place to set it apart from the OT and it mirrored our Earth time.
Does episode VII advance time to something closer to us technologically or is it all just 70s/80s stuff for nostalgia's sake? Lame if the latter.
Does episode VII advance time to something closer to us technologically or is it all just 70s/80s stuff for nostalgia's sake? Lame if the latter.
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The first order needs some lead on the military side. Hux isn't going to be that. I think a Thrawn-like character makes sense. VIII needd to end on a low point for the resistance, so someone outsmarting them militarily causing big losses would make sense.
Starsailor
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Me too but in the evil way not like vador
Bobby Roberts
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Yup, I don't see redemption on the table. He's going to kill Snoke because he needs to in order to become the monster he wants to be.
Digital-Hero
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Don't know what could be lower at this point.
Starkiller based just destroyed the seat of government for the Republic (Hosnian) in a single stroke and took other planets with them.
Episode VIII should start in chaos.
I can see it, but I sooner see him return to the Light Side.
Maybe Benicio Del Toro's character turns him against Snoke and then they take over the First Order. Whatever happens, I just think Del Toro would be a more compelling final villain if we're looking for another showdown.
Luke probably still has his lightsaber, and Rey is a staff wielder. She has it with her in almost every scene and even had it with her when she met with Luke.
Honestly, I wish she had used it at the start of the fight with Ren. If she and Finn tried to double team Ren, Finn got taken out and she picked up the saber, that would've been great.
Also, the bait and switch with Finn still got me annoyed so I want to see him with a lightsaber again.
That, and I think there is real thematic value to it.
Ren took notice to Finn from the beginning. Where Ren was from the Light and seduced to the Dark, Finn was raised in the Dark and moved to the Light Side of his own accord. I dunno, it just works for me.
Agreed, to try and take over as prevailing darksider. Maybe attempt to take on an apprentice, even.
But I'd love to see Finn go head to head with Kylo again. Maybe Luke built Leia a lightsaber (or taught her to build one) and she'll lend it to Finn to use?
Bobby Roberts
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Why? We've already had six movies that essentially deal with that specific arc. This character is a guy who is all about not learning that lesson. He's taking all the wrong things from what happened and trying to make them worse. Why should he actually get the redemption his grandfather got?
My sister-in-law got me the BB-8 Pop bobble head. Putting it in my office at work.
OricWindstar
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That would be cool, and would fit his quote of saying his character isn't necessarily a villain. Without delving into spoilers for Sicario, making him similar to his character in that would make him that...with a little more.
True, but I feel like they purposefully tried to make the First Order young outside of Snoke. I sort of like them all being a out of line brats that mature as the trilogy goes. Bough, Benicio could be the one to be brought in to help that maturity along, in a Thrawn type role.
Bobby Roberts
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So you've seen those photochops too, huh
I think his private confessions of feeling the pull to the Light and Leia claiming he can still be saved are telling.
Granted, I also believe Ren has committed himself to the Dark Side by killing Han, and I think he will die a villain.
I meant that I just don't see Ren killing Snoke and becoming the final villain. I do see Ren killing Snoke and then still dying as a villain if Del Toro is the real big bad.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
It doesn't make sense for Luke to want to train Rey given what we know so far, which is why I'm sure it will happen.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Ren vs Snoke would end the same way as that cut content from KOTOR 2 of Sion vs Nihilus: a complete ass kicking of the angry hothead.
And then Rey will kill them both with her double-bladed lightsaber.
And then Rey will kill them both with her double-bladed lightsaber.
OricWindstar
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Haha, yes I have. And I'd be totally down.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
It goes the other way. Most of the people who have zero issue with TFA being a rehash of the original Star Wars think that other movies, especially Avatar, are terrible for being rehashes.
Spikematic
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People complaining about Adam's looks are so fucking shallow it's unbelievable. Especially since he's not even bad looking to begin with. Shame on you.
You're really going to sit here and tell me that The Force Awakens isn't an almost beat for beat remake of A New Hope?
Bobby Roberts
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Those private conversations aren't a pathway to redemption anymore. They're more like the fuel that keeps him burning, pursuing even worse and worse shit to prove that he's not the weak faker he knows he is down deep. Those conversations are necessary so that there's an element of doubt on the walkway. They're setup for that moment. He's not gonna turn back now. And again, thematically - why give him Vader's victory (Luke's victory, really, since Luke's faith is what snapped him out of it) when he just murdered his father to prove he could be stronger than Vader was?
He absolutely should be. The trio of this film isn't Finn/Poe/Rey. It's Rey/Finn/Kylo. And as the series moves along, we're going to follow their arcs to their destinations. Rey needs to become the future of the Skywalker line (whether or not she's actually a Skywalker), Finn needs to find that thing to fight for, and win for himself AND for those peopel, and Kylo needs to become the ungodly monster he yearns to be.
I don't see the end of Kylo's arc being 2nd place.
SmackAttack
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Completely agree.
Bobby Roberts
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It's not like it's a complicated thing to do. It's not an almost beat-for-beat remake of A New Hope. It's essentially the greatest hits mixtape of the Original Trilogy entire, stuck in a single movie, with a beginning like Star Wars, a middle like Empire, and an ending like Jedi, with different characters sharing and swapping traits from the main characters of those movies, twisting and reinterpreting key moments and feelings, using the familiarity with not just those films, but basic fantasy storytelling, to introduce little swerves and subversions along the way. Granted, the fact Jedi is similar to Star Wars might cause one to be quick on the draw and call the whole film a ripoff of Star Wars, but it becomes more apparent the more attention you pay.
The film's got problems, of course. The editing specifically makes certain moments and scenarios feel a lot more surface than they should, which helps lead people to make those sorts of surface judgments. They feel appropriate. But the film isn't just a remake of Star Wars, anymore than Star Trek 09 was a remake of any single episode of The Original Series.
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