TrAcEr_x90
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I loved his voice with the helmet and was surprised at how close his regular voice was. I didn't find his scenes cheesy at all but I've never seen that actor in previous shows.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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Rey will probably flirt with the Dark Side but I doubt it'll be anything more than that.
Freewheelin'
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Second time I saw it, Driver stood out more. Knowing what happens later on and how it informs his performance, he really impressed me.
Adam Driver's looks didn't even occur to me until I came in here. It's strange that that is being discussed. However, my first thought when he encountered Han, was how much unlike Han he looks and how much he looks like his grandfather.
I think they should have made Ren like 6 years younger because Driver really pulled off the young and freshfaced look.
Ren is actually a 30 year old man, but I never got the impression he was.
true.
i think finn will keep her on the light side. i'd wouldn't mind seeing more than friendship with those two.
I hadn't thought of that but Finn could actually be a pretty great foil to the Dark Side corrupting Rey come to think of it. He is technically the product of the Dark Side, but he had the strength of character to reject it. Maybe reminding Rey of that will inspire her to stay on the Light Side.
I doubt it'll happen that way nor I do necessarily want it to, but it wouldn't surprise me. It could work.
BlackGhost
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Yeah I'm looking forward to seeing it again, knowing what I know now.
It's the hair.
Jest Chillin
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Considering that I was responding to a directly quote synopsis of Sokka's character, my discussing his combat prowess as was mentioned in the quote is completely appropriate.
As for Finn being the tactician.. that's not what he was in this movie at all. He was a valuable source of how The First Order operates, but he had very very little to do with any of the tactical planning at any stage or point in the movie. He goes from "Gotta get away from The First Order" to "Gotta find a way to save Rey" in terms of both his motivation to his actual planning. So even on that level, he's not comparable to Sokka in the way you're describing Sokka.
Yeah, I agree with this. The voice in the helmet could've easily been bad, or sounded too goofy or something, but it was well done.
His unmasked voice was also great, and I still found him to be quite menacing, which is a huge testament to Driver's acting. I thought his voice changed when he started to lose control though, it became more "normal", like the façade of him trying really hard to be dark side was slipping. Until he stabs his father of course. I could be wrong about that because I've only seen it one time so far, and maybe I'm just picking up on something that wasn't there, but that's a cool little touch if it was intentional.
ProudCanuck
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It really was an amazing performance. Probably the best acting from a villian whose face we see in the Star Wars universe. There was an amazing mix of unintended dark humor due to situation and real fear of what he is capable of
flintstryker
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Something that really bothered me about this movie is considering the end of Jedi how the hell is the Resistance not the status quo, why is everything back to square one? The movie didn't explain jack shit. Its really jarring leaving from a situation where the heroes have won and the galaxy is at peace in episode 6 to being right back where we started in episode 7 I felt like I miss a movie.
OricWindstar
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I guess I am. Just odd to me, as every screening for me it seemed to go over well with everybody.
Dubbedinenglish
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Well damn, tumblr.
I love Rey's expression when she says "I've got to go back to Jakku?" like Finn is an idiot for not getting that.
I want to see someone put these shots against Luke in ANH. I swear they are 1 to 1 in the Falcon's turret.
You are wrong and have done irreparable damage to my brain.
I love B-movies and action shlock and would have no problem appreciating it in that context if that's what it was... but it wasn't. The entire scene is top-notch effects work and cinematography, and the characters in it are ones I actually care about. What B-movies are you even comparing it to?
It boggles the mind that anyone could watch that shot and come away from it with anything other than "holy fuck that was awesome." I can only surmise we are looking for different things from a Star Wars movie.
There's also a great dolly shot right after that bit where Finn is running after Kylo Ren's ship. Really outstanding work from Dan Mindel during that whole sequence on Maz's planet.
I think you'd be BFFs with whoever once you've been through hell together, lol.
Mashin Haters
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after my second watching I noticed Poe biting his bottom lip in a sexy way. Definitely think Poe is gay for Finn now lol.
Starsailor
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this movie is awesome...
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this movie is awesome...
Right, just saying their bonding in the Tie Fighter felt pretty authentic. Those two clicked. For two that had very little shared screen time that hug was a surprisingly great moment, IMO.
Yeah, absolutely. Poe naming Finn is up there with my favourite Star Wars moments of all time.
prag16
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They don't do the best job fleshing it out but the Republic IS now the status quo. The First Order sprang up from imperial remnants on the outer rim. The Republic is trying to stay away from another war, at least publicly, so Leia has spearheaded The Resistance to fight the first order with "unofficial" Republic backing.
Something along those lines anyway.
Went over fine at my screening.
Plasticine
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From what I understand, the Republic is largely the status quo of the galaxy. But in part of the galaxy, The Order emerged and filled the power vacuum left when the Empire was defeated. The Resistance operates within the The Order's borders, a band of
OricWindstar
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The TIE Fighter scene is maybe the best sequence in the movie. Not my favorite, neccesarily, but it's everything I love about Star Wars in one scene. Exciting action, fun characters overcoming obstacles, and watching friendships evolve right before your eyes. As soon as Finn was yelling "Did you see that?!" and Poe responds excitedly back, I was sold on these two. Huge props to Boyega and Isaac.
Republic of Ezo
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The more I think about it, the more I would have preferred the First Order to remain this shadowy threat on the fringes of the Republic. Ren and Snoke (seriously change his fucking name, it's awful) pick off senators who want to be more belligerent towards the First Order from the shadows while slowly building this superweapon (which should instead have been featured/completed in Episode 8 or 9). No one believes in the Knights of Ren (it's considered a myth) and the Republic openly laughs in the face of the Resistance claiming that these guys are a true threat.
The more I think about Phasma the angrier I get. Why is she even on the poster?
She gets nothing cool to do in the movie. That'd be a problem in itself, but what does she get to do? *Instantly* cave to being threatened and then give up the first order and cost them their death star. Then she gets literally thrown into the garbage. By contrast, Poe Dameron, a pilot, not the leader of the stormtroopers -- just a pilot -- Withstood interrogation and torture up until Kylo Ren was able to forcibly extract the info.
With a character like Phasma, the Captain of the stormtroopers or whatever, you'd think she'd be highly trained and highly disciplined. You'd think she'd laugh at the idea of lowering the shields for those two just because they had a gun. You'd think there'd be no fucks given.
Why is this cowardly character who does nothing interesting or cool so prominently featured in marketing and merchandising?
As a -- I always thought, anyway -- straight guy, I kinda wanted to fuck him!
She gets nothing cool to do in the movie. That'd be a problem in itself, but what does she get to do? *Instantly* cave to being threatened and then give up the first order and cost them their death star. Then she gets literally thrown into the garbage. By contrast, Poe Dameron, a pilot, not the leader of the stormtroopers -- just a pilot -- Withstood interrogation and torture up until Kylo Ren was able to forcibly extract the info.
With a character like Phasma, the Captain of the stormtroopers or whatever, you'd think she'd be highly trained and highly disciplined. You'd think she'd laugh at the idea of lowering the shields for those two just because they had a gun. You'd think there'd be no fucks given.
Why is this cowardly character who does nothing interesting or cool so prominently featured in marketing and merchandising?
As a -- I always thought, anyway -- straight guy, I kinda wanted to fuck him!
For me, it was their official introduction that made me smile.
"It's good to meet you Poe."
"It's good to meet you too, Finn!"
All while getting blasted at by a Star Destroyer. I just got super happy like "YAAAAY SPACE BUDS!"
flintstryker
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The Republic/Resistance split really was unnecessary. I think they wanted to get back to Rebels vs. Empire too much. They could have echoed the OT in a more interesting way by flipping their positions, and having the New Order attack the Republic from their position of strength. Would be much more straight forward, and more in line with what might be expected given how Jedi ended. Since we never see the Republic, the Resistance is the face of it and it seems like the Rebellion never got past being a scrappy group with a small fleet. I was like, huh? I thought they won in Jedi why are they stuck with a small fleet of X-Wings going up against a planet killer, again?
I like the theory of the Republic/Resistance split, but it was too poorly executed in this film. Cynically what could be an interesting plot element could also just be there so that the sequels can keep escalating with the next big fight between the Empire and Republic taking place in the third trilogy.
One of the many hanging threads that will be resolved in future movies, comic books, video games, toys, models, posters, stickers, webisodes and interactive social media experiences.
Abrams did want another 6 months on the film that he didn't get so the meat of Phasma's story probably had to be sacrificed.
I suspect the same happened to The Raid guys.
Call it cheesy but I was giddy af when Poe showed up to wreck shit on Takodana and Finn went all like "That's one hell of a pilot!"
And then that hug happened and the bromance was cemented in my eyes.
I mean alot of this could have easily been done in the opening scroll, so I don't know why it wasn't.
I think infectious optimisim and enthusiasm and charisma is fine and feels good as long as it fits the movie and is delivered the right way, in this case, I liked it. Poe is just a good, nice guy. The kinda guy you'd want to be friends with. He's Fun Bobby.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Yeah but Fun Bobby wasn't so fun when he had no booze.
Plasticine
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It comes from the new Expanded Universe tie-ins. iO9 and Birth Movies Death both have pretty good rundowns if you don't feel like reading the novels and comics.
I think they wanted to avoid the star destroy long crawls that opened the prequels.
Maybe we'll learn Poe's secret in the next movie.
True IMAX 70mm showing last night was incredible. Props to MODS for not showing any previews whatsoever, lol.
After having seen it three times now, here are things:
After having seen it three times now, here are things:
- Kylo Ren stopping the blaster bolt in midair is PERFECT. When this first happens on screen, it's stunning. My first audience (this was in 3D, and it goes "over" you while the camera pans) was making noises of awe and Ren feels extremely intimidating after this display of power. But if you really think about it... how useful an ability is this, really? At first I thought it was just the effect of holding Poe in place also holding the bolt, but nope- he releases Poe and leaves the bolt suspended for the entire rest of the scene. What purpose does this really serve in combat? Jedi and Sith have been shown countless times to easily deflect, dodge, or even redirect blaster bolts back at their targets with a lightsaber. Ren himself deflects numerous shots at very close range elsewhere in the movie. So why freeze this one in midair? Because it's cool. It's exactly the kind of thing you'd do to intimidate the people who can see it and not for any other reason, which fits his character to a tee. I like to imagine he discovered he could do this and thought to himself "fuck yeah, everyone will think I'm a badass when I do this" and relishes any opportunity to use it. I found that whole first scene really rewarded repeat viewings, knowing all you know about Ren's character. Exquisite stuff.
- I will hereby be disappointed if Rey does not at some point end up building herself either a double-bladed lightsaber or a long-handled "spear" saber design. They seem to have taken a lot of care to make her staff already look appropriately "lightsabery" with some of its design elements. When fighting Kylo with the saber she awkwardly relies hard on thrusts and lunges rather than slices. Beyond showing her proficiency with the staff on Jakku, the film works in numerous shots establishing the staff in her possession throughout, and even take the time to establish that she has it while boarding the Falcon at the end, despite literally having an actual lightsaber in her possession. It would be great to have a mainline Light side character with something other than a regular tube blue or green lightsaber.
- The length of shot in both the "Kylo interrogates Rey" and "Poe bumps into Finn as the Resistance readies for launch" scenes is really, really awesome stuff. You can feel how inexplicably difficult the struggle to pry information from Rey's mind is for Kylo Ren, and the weight of the new friendship already being put in peril again. There is so much care taken to film these moments well that was absent from anything in the prequels.
- When talking to BB-8 she asks where he's from, and he beeps his answer, and she says, sarcastically, "Classified, really. Yeah, me too. Big secret." This line/exchange could be seriously golden once we have all the puzzle pieces.
- Daisy Ridley is just absolutely beautiful. The best thing I can say about her performance is that my first two times seeing the movie I found her character so likable and was so enthralled by her adventure that I barely noticed, but there is no way around it.
The IMAX screen I went to was great. Hadn't been there before and it felt like 3/4 IMAX, but definitely not lieMAX. Exceptionally clean 3D with no crosstalk and a brilliant sound system. Going to another IMAX screening before long.
Is Aftermath worth reading?
I didn't read any of the old EU, but I feel like I wouldn't mind catching up on all the lore that's been put out so far. I heard that one novel was good.
Yeah I've had to read some supplemental article to catch up.
Is Aftermath worth reading?
I didn't read any of the old EU, but I feel like I wouldn't mind catching up on all the lore that's been put out so far. I heard that one novel was good.
Republic of Ezo
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I'd be fine with that too. Would have been interesting to see Leia as the chancellor of the Republic or something (which would make a lot of sense given her centrality to the Rebel Alliance) and to see some really massive space battles with the entire Republic fleet. But if they HAD to include a "resistance" I think they needed to explain the premise far, far better.
Republic of Ezo
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Yes, Phasma bending over and turning down the shields made no sense. She'd be trained to just let herself be killed in that situation.
i'd like to see this as well. a spear lightsaber would fit rey so much.
on another note, will this be getting a 4k blu-ray release? cause i gotta have that.
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