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[Meowster]

Chewie going ham right after Han's death hits me right in the feels. ;_;

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Did anyone else notice that there was a second female Stormtrooper by the way? She is talking with Kylo Ren when he tells the Stormtroopers to keep an eye on Rey because her power is growing exponentially. I didn't even notice it until my second viewing.

Noticed it my first time and was like "Huh, cool".

 

[Trey]

Tell that to Kreia

Still the best written character in the franchise.

 

[Starsailor]

either well get a big info drop on them in the next movie or they will get their own movie

wouldn't be surprised if both happen

I never feel like that Kylo create the Knights of Ren. Snoke said "you're a Knight of Ren" like Kylo achieve to this title, not that he create this himself.

Ren isn't his name. Mayve Benicio del toro will be one too called "Benicio Ren" like that ^^

 

[Meowster]

Tell that to Kreia

Home girl got kicked right to the curb with being delegated to non-canon. She'll always have a special place in my heart though.

 

[oti]

I'm not a Star Wars guy. Tried to watch them before the new one came out. Episode 4 was hella boring and I fell asleep during Episode 5. But it's Christmas and friends asked me to go with them so I went and now I'm back.


I LOVED the first 15 minutes of the movie. Then Han Solo showed up and it went full "LOOK ITS JUST LIKE BACK IN THE DAY THE OLD STAR WARS REMEMBER STAR WARS WHEN YOU WERE FULL OF HOPE ITS JUST LIKE THIS" mode and it crashed hard for me.

But Rey is awesome, the football robot is great, I'm happy Han Solo is dead (hoping for the other old folks to die soon too) and it was well worth the 11€ I paid for. Nice flick.

 

[sphagnum]

Just a stray thought, but Pablo's tweet says that Kylo's attack happened more "recently" than 14-15 years before TFA. How recent? 10 years? 5 years? 5 years could still seem like ages when a man of galactic importance disappears during a political crisis.

New Republic: Bloodline comes out next March and takes place 6 years before TFA, and a title like that certainly sounds like it could be dealing with Skywalkers...

 

[GhaleonEB]

Just a stray thought, but Pablo's tweet says that Kylo's attack happened more "recently" than 14-15 years before TFA. How recent? 10 years? 5 years? 5 years could still seem like ages when a man of galactic importance disappears during a political crisis.

New Republic: Bloodline comes out next March and takes place 6 years before TFA, and a title like that certainly sounds like it could be dealing with Skywalkers...

He also said hard info on the timing would come from "stories not tweets", so that does seem likely.

 

[Theodoricos]

I'm happy Han Solo is dead

Watch your mouth, kid, or you'll find yourself floating home.

Spoiler

/s

 

[DiipuSurotu]

I found it interesting the way Snoke tells Hux to go get Kylo Ren. Almost as if he cared. It paints him differently from Palpatine.

I thought it was very similar. Snoke immediately takes the decision to "complete his training". What the hell was he waiting for? It's as if he was totally expecting Kylo's defeat and everything is going according to his plan. Snoke is just using Kylo like a tool. It wouldn't even surprise me if Kylo shows up with cyborg enhancements in VIII, similar to Vader.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I'm not sure if he cares so much as he knows that's his fuckin' meal ticket.

"Shit. Go get him. I guess I gotta 'complete his training.' Just as soon as I figure out a line of horseshit strong enough to make him think I even know what that is."

 

[Ether_Snake]

Some tropes

Spanner in the Works: "The best swordsman in the world doesn't need to fear the second best swordsman in the world; no, the person for him to be afraid of is some ignorant antagonist who has never had a sword in his hand before; he doesn't know the thing he ought to do, and so the expert isn't prepared for him."

This one is Finn like I said earlier

Trapped in another world:

A standard plot/Myth Arc for Speculative Fiction: The Ordinary High-School Student, frequently his friends, and sometimes his enemies are all transported (often summoned) to another world — distant planet, a Magical Land, Alternate Universe, the past, The Future — where they find they have an important role to play in Events of Significance that are occurring at the same time as (or sometimes because of) their arrival. Usually there is no hope of their finding a means to return home until after the great threat facing them has been defeated; occasionally, they will then question whether they even WANT to leave (they typically do).
A blend of Fish out of Water and Failure Is the Only Option, with a large dash of heroism. The inverse of Alien Among Us. Often overlaps with Down the Rabbit Hole and You Can't Go Home Again. If it's the hero's job to bring back the trapped person, it's an Orphean Rescue, if someone else turns up to bring back the hero it's Weirdness Search and Rescue. May involve Fantastic Romance. In Literature this is often referred to as a Portal Fantasy.

Also Re is king Arthur, the saber is excalibur. Or maybe Luke is arthur

 

[LookAtMeGo]

I'm happy Han Solo is dead (hoping for the other old folks to die soon too)

You are a monster.

 

[Starsailor]

Some tropes



This one is Finn like I said earlier

Trapped in another world:


Also Re is king Arthur, the saber is excalibur. Or maybe Luke is arthur

I said earlier that the european mythology was used in this chapter. "knights of ren" , the Kylo's lightsaber... the lightsaber fight who looks like a game of throne interstellar fight

 

[Ether_Snake]

I thought it was very similar. Snoke immediately takes the decision to "complete his training". What the hell was he waiting for? It's as if he was totally expecting Kylo's defeat and everything is going according to his plan. Snoke is just using Kylo like a tool. It wouldn't even surprise me if Kylo shows up with cyborg enhancements in VIII, similar to Vader.

Kylo killed Han, which was requested to do to finish his training. Snoke tells him he must manage to end his attachment to his family.Once he has succeeded he can complete his training.

 

[DeathyBoy]

You are a monster.

Take it down a notch, kid.

 

[Brakke]

Did anyone else notice that there was a second female Stormtrooper by the way? She is talking with Kylo Ren when he tells the Stormtroopers to keep an eye on Rey because her power is growing exponentially. I didn't even notice it until my second viewing.

Yep this movie is good about quietly putting ladies in presumed-male positions. There's a lady X Wing pilot, a lady pulls the trigger on the Starkiller shot (or receives the order from Hux anyway), a couple ladies around the table when the Resistance cooks up their ridiculous Starkiller-killer plan. A couple lady X Wing pilots jogged by when everyone was suiting up for Starkiller assault. I would've liked an obvious lady or two in the gangs that board Han's ship.

The OT was cool for having Mon Mothma conspicuously high in the rebellion, but bad at having ladies in grunt or middle-management positions.

 

[sphagnum]

Also Re is king Arthur, the saber is excalibur. Or maybe Luke is arthur

Luke is definitely King Arthur/The King in the Mountain/The Sleeping Hero, but he's going to turn into The Obi-Wan.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Do you think Kylo got injured bad enough to need some mechanical limbs next time around?

 

[Ragnorok64]

Finally got to my 2nd viewing. In an order to not repeat my mmid movie bathroom break of the first time I saw it, I went to a matinee and didn't eat anything before hand. Which had me feeling a little shaky but at least I didn't miss the interrogation scene this time. Some good news info and characterization drops in there.

Even after a second viewing, Rey is still ridiculously skilled at everything. Though it seems that whole discussion is straight up poison now. Kind of figured it'd turn out that way.

I wonder how Kylo Ren will be changed in the next movie. It seems he lost his helmet, got that facial scar, and I think Rey destroyed his saber (I'm still not sure). Will have a new look, or will he get another identical helmet.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Do you think Kylo got injured bad enough to need some mechanical limbs next time around?

I think they'll just throw him into a bacta tank.

 

[VAD]

If they want to give Luke the Obi Wan role, I hope they don't push the resemblance and make him sacrifice himself. I wouldn't want them to start a pattern of offing one character of the OT per movie.

 

[MMarston]

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if VIII gave us a long animated info-dump sequence like Metal Gear.

 

[Fury451]

Do you think Kylo got injured bad enough to need some mechanical limbs next time around?

No, all of his wound seem to be on his body itself, not his limbs in any significant way.

Unless they show how truly unbalanced he is and he goes full obsession and cuts off his own limbs to replace them to be more like Vader or something.

 

[AtomnayaKlubnika]

If they want to give Luke the Obi Wan role, I hope they don't push the resemblance and make him sacrifice himself. I wouldn't want them to start a pattern of offing one character of the OT per movie.

OT characters will be offed during this new trilogy, for sure.

 

[Imperfected]

Do you think Kylo got injured bad enough to need some mechanical limbs next time around?

I'm guessing by the fact that he was up and walking around after getting hit with Chewie's bowcaster that we're going to treat him as having at least a few layers of plot armor. That had to be the worst wound he sustained, by my reckoning, so if he was still douching it up afterwards the lightsaber scrapes probably won't amount to much.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

I think it wold be interesting if, in an inverse of Vader, Kylo deliberately replaces his limbs and body with mechanical/cybernetic parts in attempt to become stronger (think Harry McDougal for anyone who has seen Outlaw Star).

 

[Bobby Roberts]

If they want to give Luke the Obi Wan role, I hope they don't push the resemblance and make him sacrifice himself. I wouldn't want them to start a pattern of offing one character of the OT per movie.

The OT killed off their PT trio in two films, Star Wars and Jedi. Two of 'em died in Jedi.

The ST killed Han off in the first movie. I could see both Leia and Luke catching bad ones in Episode 9.

 

[MMarston]

OT characters will be offed during this new trilogy, for sure.

I think Leia and Chewie should survive at least.

Man it's kind of a bummer all these characters we grew up with end up with such depressing fates.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

If they want to give Luke the Obi Wan role, I hope they don't push the resemblance and make him sacrifice himself. I wouldn't want them to start a pattern of offing one character of the OT per movie.

The OT retroactively has this pattern since it successively kills Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin "from" the PT.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Do you think Kylo got injured bad enough to need some mechanical limbs next time around?

I actually wonder whether or not Finn is going to get some sort of mechanical exo-legs. That Saber very specifically hit his spine.

Spoiler

He ruined Poe's sweet jacket

 

[Ragnorok64]

Is anywhere selling replica Poe/Finn jackets?

Edit: Never mind I should have just used Google

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Luke has to go out like Michael Corleone. Old and alone.. having to watch everyone he's loved die. The last of the Jedi. Punishment for running away after losing Ben instead of dealing with it like a man.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Either way, you can't keep going forward without having Leia & Luke exit. They gotta go so the new characters can fully inherit the saga. That's absolutely part of it, I think.

 

[OnPoint]

If they want to give Luke the Obi Wan role, I hope they don't push the resemblance and make him sacrifice himself. I wouldn't want them to start a pattern of offing one character of the OT per movie.

They pretty much 1:1'd the Obi Wan death scene with Han.

The Luke character = Rey/Finn, watching the confrontation helplessly from a distance, unable to help

Obi Wan = Han, Vader = Kylo Ren

Rey even screams like Luke did.

 

[Ether_Snake]

I actually wonder whether or not Finn is going to get some sort of mechanical exo-legs. That Saber very specifically hit his spine.

Spoiler

He ruined Poe's sweet jacket

He's gonna be the Rock Lee of SW. That's it, wheel chair forever.

 

[Scrooged]

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if VIII gave us a long animated info-dump sequence like Metal Gear.

Midichlorians are nanomachines. The Force is nanomachines.


Nanomachines.

 

[TheDinoman]

I'd like for Luke to die on a peaceful note, like having him falling to sleep for the last time as the suns set on Tatooine. After everything he's done in the OT, I think he deserves a positive ending.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

I actually wonder whether or not Finn is going to get some sort of mechanical exo-legs. That Saber very specifically hit his spine.

Spoiler

He ruined Poe's sweet jacket

That would be quite a shock.

 

[MMarston]

I'd like for Luke to die on a peaceful note, like having him falling to sleep for the last time as the suns set on Tatooine. After everything he's done in the OT, I think he deserves a positive ending.

I still like my idea that the trilogy should end with a binary sunrise

 

[Ragnorok64]

He's gonna be the Rock Lee of SW. That's it, wheel chair forever.

You might wanna double-check your Naruto wiki.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I'd like for Luke to die on a peaceful note, like having him falling to sleep for the last time as the suns set on Tatooine. After everything he's done in the OT, I think he deserves a positive ending.

I still like my idea that the trilogy should end with a binary sunrise

Both of these are pretty cool images.

 

[Mix Master]

Such a shame how Hux, Phasma, and the first order were turned into marvel tier jobbers for the sake of "Teh good guys gotta win!"

Gleeson and Christie were wasted big time IMO.

i still dont understand how she had all of this press around her and she's in the movie for 90 seconds.

 

[Henkka]

I actually wonder whether or not Finn is going to get some sort of mechanical exo-legs. That Saber very specifically hit his spine.

Spoiler

He ruined Poe's sweet jacket

I had the same thought. Frankly, I've no idea where Finn's character arc is going in this trilogy. Making him have to deal with a disability could be interesting... or not. I've no clue.

 

[Imperfected]

You can keep Chewie around, since you can always just throw someone else in the suit, and he was more of a supporting character anyway. Luke's gotta go, but it's not like they offed him right after he saved the universe. Dude got to have decades post-war and go into full retirement, it's fine.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Either way, you can't keep going forward without having Leia & Luke exit. They gotta go so the new characters can fully inherit the saga. That's absolutely part of it, I think.

I think Leia could survive the ST. I don't see her going on the frontlines, and she seems pretty inconsequential already anyway. The opening crawl says the First Order "will not rest until Luke Skywalker has been destroyed", as if they don't even care about the other Skywalker. If she wasn't leading the Resistance I wonder if they would bother assassinating her.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Right? It had this stripped-down, theatrical quality (as in the actual theatre) that I did not expect to see in a Star Wars film. Easily the most emotionally-resonant scene in a film filled to the brim with them.

I preferred the implicative nature of the ending rather than forced dialogue personally...

I viewed the final scene like a silent film or something. It worked for me. You could read so many thoughts on their faces.

There's an interview with JJ where he recounts Kasdan telling him to trust the characters, lose the dialogue. I think that scene probably had that strongly in mind.

“I think that’s what Larry Kasdan taught me most of all, which is ‘Don’t work so hard,” Abrams continued. “Trust the audience. Trust the characters and that the audience will feel more, in a way, the less you explain the stuff to them. And the challenge is always to make it satisfying and clear and not feel like you’re being preached to.”

http://io9.gizmodo.com/j-j-abrams-told-us-the-origin-story-of-star-wars-the-1747119292

 

[BreezyLimbo]

What if they introduce an important plot point in 8 that's prequel heavy lol

The only prequel plotpoint Ill accept is that Jar Jar is a sith or related to Snoke

 

[LookAtMeGo]

I never made the connection that Hux is the same guy as Andrew Henry from The Revenant. Hux should have had a beard. Andrew Henry was a way better character than Hux.

 

[OnPoint]

I think Leia could survive the ST. I don't see her going on the frontlines, and she seems pretty inconsequential already anyway. The opening crawl says the First Order "will not rest until Luke Skywalker has been destroyed", as if they don't even care about the other Skywalker. If she wasn't leading the Resistance I wonder if they would bother assassinating her.

Just because Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie and the audience know Leia and Luke are brother/sister, that doesn't mean the rest of the universe does. They'd have to announce it and/or tell people.