Digital-Hero
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after one decade this fight will be ranked #1 (or 3 if 8 and 9 are better)
One of my favorite duels for sure, just wished it was 30 to 60 seconds longer.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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One of my favorite duels for sure, just wished it was 30 to 60 seconds longer.
That might be true, but that's basically the same as the concept not existing. It's one thing to not really have the idea established in the first film... but it's not even in the second or third film.
Freeza Under The Shower
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So did I miss a beat or do the rebels (ehm, 'government'? ) just show up in the same system that literally just got blasted?
That's some lousy sensory equipment on the death star 3 ("and this time it's bigger!") if so. If it isn't the same system, than that visual is science bullshit, since you wouldn't be able to see that in daylight at all. The internal lighting visual tied into a mechanic was a neat idea though. Like "welcome to the dark side, we're snuffing out the fucking stars". That was great.
I felt it was a little too much A New Hope to really be a new thing, where an ending with the death star XXX bursting out of its planet shell would have made more sense in terms of setting of tension, but I guess they wrote this one to have as few threads untied as possible in terms of logistics. Which is a shame because now they're going to have to waste a good part of the second movie on "more training, you must do", and we've seen that a bit too much by now, I would think (and forces showing both sides doing theirs, or going past that with a time skip).
The shake-up of things could only delay that 'too familiar' familiarity for so long, of course. Particularly when the script start feeling a little too vetted when the rebels just show up for some reason. Had a flashback to Lord of the Rings and some other 'big action' movies when that happened. A New Hope was way tighter in its geography (story / screen story wise) and editing than this movie too, but then that's the original and not sequel 66: So Very Tired (until we get to 69).
Good shit:
- combining junk planet with empire graveyard. Elegant and sensible.
- BB-8 (that R2-D2 reactivation not so much).
- 16 million reasons and then some for Harrison Ford to give a shit (it does feel like this the only role he practised for with that "she was my wife!" sketch... ehm, speaking of which... nope, never mind). But seriously, he's good here.
- Ex Machina stowaway (Gleeson) as General Guy
- Darth Jar Sneev ("and the emperor is bigger too!" )
So basically it's a JJ Abrams movie I guess?
I do want a sped up gif of that body falling when the dvd comes out though.
Oh, and as for future stuff:
Second logistics question: where exactly did they get the resources to build The Force Unleashed when they're just some remnants trying to rebuild the empire in part?
Oh yeah, it's an Abrams movie alright.
That's some lousy sensory equipment on the death star 3 ("and this time it's bigger!") if so. If it isn't the same system, than that visual is science bullshit, since you wouldn't be able to see that in daylight at all. The internal lighting visual tied into a mechanic was a neat idea though. Like "welcome to the dark side, we're snuffing out the fucking stars". That was great.
I felt it was a little too much A New Hope to really be a new thing, where an ending with the death star XXX bursting out of its planet shell would have made more sense in terms of setting of tension, but I guess they wrote this one to have as few threads untied as possible in terms of logistics. Which is a shame because now they're going to have to waste a good part of the second movie on "more training, you must do", and we've seen that a bit too much by now, I would think (and forces showing both sides doing theirs, or going past that with a time skip).
The shake-up of things could only delay that 'too familiar' familiarity for so long, of course. Particularly when the script start feeling a little too vetted when the rebels just show up for some reason. Had a flashback to Lord of the Rings and some other 'big action' movies when that happened. A New Hope was way tighter in its geography (story / screen story wise) and editing than this movie too, but then that's the original and not sequel 66: So Very Tired (until we get to 69).
Good shit:
- combining junk planet with empire graveyard. Elegant and sensible.
- BB-8 (that R2-D2 reactivation not so much).
- 16 million reasons and then some for Harrison Ford to give a shit (it does feel like this the only role he practised for with that "she was my wife!" sketch... ehm, speaking of which... nope, never mind). But seriously, he's good here.
- Ex Machina stowaway (Gleeson) as General Guy
- Darth Jar Sneev ("and the emperor is bigger too!" )
So basically it's a JJ Abrams movie I guess?
I do want a sped up gif of that body falling when the dvd comes out though.
Oh, and as for future stuff:
Rey seemed bloodthristy compared to Ren. I wonder if the eventual twist is that they were 'supposed' to be in the opposite position of the force, in so far as that matters.
Second logistics question: where exactly did they get the resources to build The Force Unleashed when they're just some remnants trying to rebuild the empire in part?
Oh yeah, it's an Abrams movie alright.
DiipuSurotu
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A title that had absolutely no explanation behind it because it didn't mean anything yet and was just for the cool factor. Hell, you'd think Palpatine would be the dark lord of the Sith, not Vader.
TheDinoman
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At the very least, it's nice that the references to prequels were kept very minimal and subtle. Basically TFA's attitude on them was "Yeah, they're canon alright, but we aren't gonna acknowledge them THAT much", kinda like with Jurassic World and The Lost World/Jurassic Park 3.
They can keep making tiny references to the prequels in the future films, but it's all fine as long as they don't do something explicit like having Rey and Finn fly to Coruscant and hang out at Dex's Dinner where Dexter Jettster does some super important plot thing again.
Starsailor
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Perfect timing. J.J.A saying "these two will fight again in the next movies" =D
It was a wonderful combat and a teasing for the future =D
Bucket Mouse
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*wrong thread*
Watching it again today I tried to look for any "Emo"-ness in Kylo that I may have missed the first time.
It's amazing how disconnected the actual character is from that awful, forced meme. Dude is badass but lacks experience and is honest with himself about the conflicts he's dealing with. A really fascinating antagonist.
A truly emo Ren would spend his life sulking in the Starkiller base trying to make everyone feel bad for him and Snoke would drop his ass and find another apprentice. Instead, he has a clear goal and will do whatever it takes to achieve it. Emo kids don't have that level of ambition. They sulk and whine and lack ambition.
It's amazing how disconnected the actual character is from that awful, forced meme. Dude is badass but lacks experience and is honest with himself about the conflicts he's dealing with. A really fascinating antagonist.
A truly emo Ren would spend his life sulking in the Starkiller base trying to make everyone feel bad for him and Snoke would drop his ass and find another apprentice. Instead, he has a clear goal and will do whatever it takes to achieve it. Emo kids don't have that level of ambition. They sulk and whine and lack ambition.
BreezyLimbo
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He redeemed himself
Even after killing a bunch of children
Time heals all wounds, you see. Which means
Rey will turn Sith and Kylo will redeem himself.
Ragnorok64
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I'm also confused about that this whole argument is about.
At the time the PT was made who Jedi and Sith are and the fact that most all of them used lightsabers had been long since established in the EU, which was still canon at the time. I don't get what any of this talk of too many Lightsabers and such has to do with anything.
Thanks for posting that. Now to further my point
At no point is she wielding it one handed
She goes for a thrust twice in just that one gif.
Keeps the lightsaber tucked to her side (either high or low) and in two hands and nearly all times. Almost never one handed, in front of herself, or away from her body with two exceptions.
Those exceptions are win she does the spin away and gets into that low crouch twice in the gif.
Horizontal and verticle strikes are almost (though not completely) horizontal/vertical instead of the diagonal and swooping strikes you see from Ben. As are her parries except, again, when she's spinning.
She is absolutely using it like half a quarterstaff.
You know what I mean. She's the leader of the new republic.
Grover Cleveland
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Them not really acknowledging the prequels is less the moviemakers saying LOL THE PREQUELS and more it doesn't really make sense for this set of characters as far removed as they are from the end of the Clone Wars.
Rey thought Han Solo was a myth, surely she's not going to spouting off about shit from 30 years before Endor.
The prequel-haters can turn that into JJ saying fuck the prequels if they wish though.
Rey thought Han Solo was a myth, surely she's not going to spouting off about shit from 30 years before Endor.
The prequel-haters can turn that into JJ saying fuck the prequels if they wish though.
Just pointing out the build up to the only duel in this film and how the over use of lightsabers in the prequel ruined the mystique.
Bucket Mouse
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Starsailor
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excelsiorlef
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No I have no idea what you mean. She's literally not in this movie. She became the leader 30 years ago. She's not in this movie so she's either really fucking old or more likely dead.
We will never know for sure. But the movies are littered with nods at the OT. It would have been easy to do the same for the Prequels if some effort were spent.
They actually acknowledge the prequels in Episode VII.
I agree that PT haters have created this headcanon in their minds where JJ also despises the prequels and wants to "actively avoid mentioning them".
I was even surprised that they reference the prequels quite a bit in Ep. VII.
DiipuSurotu
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Not any more.
The leader of the Republic at the time of this film is some goat-looking dude with a goofy name blatantly referencing Neville Chamberlain!
DiipuSurotu
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Besides, if Mon Mothma was the chancellor, the Starkiller would have been destroying her homeworld Chandrila, not a new planet called Hosnian Prime.
Personally I'd prefer a single bladed lightsaber with an extra long hilt (so it can be used like a bladed quarterstaff) or a staff with two very short lightsaber blades at the end (so it can still be used like an actual staff)
Maul was more baton waving than staff fighting.
The more I think about it, the more I like this idea and it would make sense, she's already a staff wielder and a good one at that.
Starsailor
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Yea, I'd probably go in this direction. Rey, being on her own and a scavenger makes me think her lightsaber would have a usefulness beyond just a weapon. "Swiss Army Saber" in a sense.
Then again, her previous life experience may lead her to build one that is small and easy to carry.
Assuming she even builds one in the first place.
Randomizer
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Do people just buy into hype too much? How can people legitimately say this was better than ESB or ANH? The plotholes are gapping wide. So many unexplained, implausible and downright dumb stuff. Don't get me wrong I still enjoyed it and it's good to have Star Wars back but there are too many flaws to put this above the original trilogy. All of it is probably down to JJ Abram's direction and storytelling. Rian Johnson is a better film maker IMO so I am extremely delighted and excited to see what he will accomplish with the sequels.
Bobby Roberts
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There's not a whole lot of plot holes in The Force Awakens. The plotting isn't why Star Wars really works, anyway.
I don't think it's as good as Star Wars or Empire, myself, but I don't know that the things bringing it below their level are plot-related at all.
It's mostly the editing/pacing.
excelsiorlef
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Care to elaborate on these gapping wide plot holes.
bumpkin
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The casting for Kylo Ren -- Ben -- is awful. He looks nothing like Han or Leia feature wise. Is this a classic case of the director giving a role to friend/actor from a prior flick of his?
Overall I thought it was a fun ride. BB-8 was awesome, the flying/fighting scenes were rad and the final duel was cool. BUT Han dying was lame as fuck.
Overall I thought it was a fun ride. BB-8 was awesome, the flying/fighting scenes were rad and the final duel was cool. BUT Han dying was lame as fuck.
2nd part of the fight. She's definitely swinging it wildly like Luke did in Jedi.
excelsiorlef
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Adam Driver is fantastic in the role.
I think it's perfect.
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You know she'll fight more than one knight of Ren at the same time with her staff.
Probably still better than Borsk Feylya.
The One and Done
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Disagree. Thought Driver delivered an excellent performance.
I respectfully disagree, he's easily an achilles heel of the movie.
Fancy Clown
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I think it's a classic case of casting an actor who is good at acting for the role. Like Fassbender looks nothing like Steve Jobs but it doesn't fucking matter because he kills it.
Saw it again for the second time yesterday and loved it even more. My main gripes are the same (pacing in the second half especially during the rebels planning scene and the helicopter shot at the end). One thing I picked up that I loved was when Rey and Finn met Han, they each saw him in a completely different light. Finn recognized him as a war hero and Rey recognized him as a legendary smuggler.
I think he's perfect for the arc they are clearly going for. I think you're going to see tremendous growth out of him in future films.
No it's a case of "whogivestwoshits" because performance > looks.
Well he just said how it is supported...
But maybe Vader wanted to keep the weapon he was familiar with or maybe Sheev wanted him to keep it to taunt any other Jedi with Vader being a converted Jedi
Randomizer
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My biggest problem is how quickly they pulled together a plan to destroy the Starkiller. It was terrible, terrible writing. It should have taken weeks of planning but no they are the next target and have hours to plan, mobilise and destroy it. All based on the information of Finn who magical knows the weakness.
Why was there even a resistance in the first place? They defeated the Empire and reestablished the Republic right? The Republic is the resistance not two separate things.
There are more plot issues from minor to huge listed here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/40-unforgivable-plot-holes-in-star-wars-the-force-awakens_b_8850324.html
excelsiorlef
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Why? So far all you said is you don't like how he looks.
I think the way he looks really plays into his role.
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