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People knock the score in this, and rightfully so, it might be the weakest of the bunch.
But man do I love Rey's Theme, it's such a lovely fit for her character. When it played during her intro, the movie had me locked in fucking a trance.
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But man do I love Rey's Theme, it's such a lovely fit for her character. When it played during her intro, the movie had me locked in fucking a trance.
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Good point. That is how we saw the OT as kids, my friends and I. Both Yoda and the Emperor were beyond weaponry.
OricWindstar
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It probably is my least favorite, but damn has it grown on me. I consider it amazing, it's just in the company of other masterworks.
Bobby Roberts
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Giving Palpatine a lightsaber seemed even dumber than giving Yoda one. Yoda was seen to be able to lift shit with his mind. Palpatine's only other OT Force power was to SHOOT LIGHTNING OUT OF HIS FINGERS. It's absolutely a weapon. Why would you need a sword when you can aim 10 different forking lightning bolts wherever you want at any time?
But once you give Yoda his glowstick, you almost have to give Palpatine one because otherwise their duel is going to seem lopsided and weird.
But once you give Yoda his glowstick, you almost have to give Palpatine one because otherwise their duel is going to seem lopsided and weird.
unholyrevenger72
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If you watch Star Trek with the Director Commentary over it J.J. admits that Greg is his lucky charm.
LookAtMeGo
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The score had a few moments but overall was lacking for sure. Has anybody heard anything about who will be doing it for ep.8?
OricWindstar
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Not yet, but it is worth noting they haven't locked in Williams for the trilogy. He says he's down, but the studio won't publicly commit.
Bobby Roberts
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Nobody's really heard anything about Episode 8 outside of some casting news/rumors.
The story is a complete blank. And no word on whether Williams has been asked.
I kinda hope he isn't.
The hate for Angry Joe is strange when he seems like a pretty legit dude to me. There's far worse and fake people on youtube but joe's by far one of the better ones and he comes across as genuine.
I'm surprised people don't like the score. Rey's theme is fantastic throughout, as you say, but everything else is great too. I love the brass motif that blares over the speakers every time Kylo Ren is on screen. It's a great evil fanfare that just embodies how bad ass he can be. And the Resistance March that plays prominently during the X-Wing arrival at Maz's castle and during the battle prep scenes is great. The strings that play when Starkiller fires are also perfect for that moment. I thought John Williams killed it and really brought back that classic Star Wars sound. I wonder if opinions change as time passes. On some music forums I have seen people go from general dislike/dismay on first listen to pure love after seeing the film again or listening to the soundtrack a few times.
I'm okay with Yoda and Palpatine having sabers. But the fights themselves are ridicilous. Dump the spinning and actually have them engange in combat instead of clowning around. Yoda and Sidious are the strongest Force users at that time. Show it ...
I loved the way the fight in TFA went. It actually had some power behind it.
I loved the way the fight in TFA went. It actually had some power behind it.
unholyrevenger72
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So if the first order baby snatches to fill their ranks, does that mean the Resistance blew up a planet with a bunch of brain washed children on it?
LookAtMeGo
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Word. Thanks guys.
Has anyone outside of Williams ever worked on a Star Wars movie before?
Has anyone outside of Williams ever worked on a Star Wars movie before?
OricWindstar
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Talk about things you'd never think Star Wars fans would say.
But I don't completely disagree. I'm totally fine with him, but I wouldn't mind someone else jumping in either. Might be interesting to have different composers for each film anyway.
Alexandre Desplat is doing Rogue One.
Bobby Roberts
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I know! It trips me out that I think this. I don't like it. But there it is.
Trigonometrize.
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This is also something I don't see a lot that probably deserves more attention than the Yoda thing. Yoda may have a hard on for the force, but he never dismisses the lightsaber, so it's not one huuuuundred percent silly for him to pick it up. The Emperor, on the other hand, makes fun of both Luke and even his apprentice, the all-powerful Vader, for using their "jedi weapon." And then, as you say, proceeds to shoot lightning. There is direct evidence in his case that the ligthsaber is not his thing and it wouldn't make sense to give him one 20 years earlier.
But Ian Mcdiarmid was one of the things I kinda liked about the prequels so whatever. No no no nono noooo you wiil die!
No. And they should keep it that way. Williams should be doing 8 and 9.
Unknown Soldier
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It's just understated as opposed to the traditionally Williams bombastic this time around. Maybe Williams is saving bombast for the next two films. Maybe he's intentionally being more subtle this time. Who knows.
What's important is to not criticize it for not constantly reusing all the iconic themes from the original trilogy. This is a new story, it requires new music, not retreads of the old music. On that singular goal, it's largely successful. The old themes are only used in passing, and confined mainly to when the classic characters are on screen. This is as it should be.
And who the hell is asking for somebody other than Williams to score 8 and 9? Really? I mean, come on. Seriously.
If Williams is game for it even at this age, I feel there's a high chance Johnson or the studio is gonna go "lol ok" for consistency/legacy reasons. Not that it's a bad thing, he still does great music. But as I've said before, only very few of his themes are memorable nowadays.
If not, I assume Giacchino is 90% locked-in for obvious reasons. Also, I'm not really who else could be an contemporary appropriate replacement for Williams. James Newton Howard maybe?
unholyrevenger72
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Superior Mobility is the only way for Yoda to overcome his height, reach, and physical strength disadvantage in saber combat. As dumb as you people think it looks to have Yoda jumping and bouncing around, it would look even dumber to have yoda just sit their wacking away at people shins.
OricWindstar
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It's been a weird discussion amongst my friends. I was the first to mention it and there was weird tension for a moment. It was like bringing up some dark family secret everyone knows about at Thanksgiving and everyone just has to address it.
I don't want him wacking at shins. Oddly enough, they got it right for a second:
But, then that goes out the window. There's a ton of different ways you could have shown Yoda in combat. They just went with the most boring and obvious one.
Bobby Roberts
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Thomas Newman did a decent 21st Century John Williams impersonation on Bridge of Spies. But he's also done a pretty mediocre job with Bond scores, so I don't know if I like the idea of him trying to do something as swashbuckle-y as Star Wars.
I'd love Bear McCreary taking a crack at it, personally.
Unknown Soldier
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How about having enough common sense to not put a lightsaber in Yoda's hands in the first place?
BuggyDClown
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I see you ignored my answer to this.
it's simple, elegant and would be a cool new fighting concept and style for the series.
As seen above mew two uses a beam saber with his telekinetic powers. Yoda should have had the same fighting style using the force. Would have been sick.
OricWindstar
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Now there's a fucking thought. Honestly, as much as I love Desplat, Bear would have been an amazing fit for Rogue One.
Or, if they have to actually make one, a Boba Fett movie.
Bobby Roberts
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Me. Because it's been increasingly obvious over the past decade that where the man's muse is pointing him isn't particularly well suited for the kind of shit that Star Wars requires. He's just not great at writing those sorts of scores anymore. The Force Awakens is a solid score, but it doesn't pop. Pop is a good word, too, because a lot of Williams' best known compositions often take on elements of pop music, which is why they hang around in your head, the way they're structured, the way the melodies work - he makes classical pop music for big fat pop songs in movie form.
Or he used to. He doesn't do that so much anymore, and when he tries, it doesn't land the way it used to. Because he's grown in a different direction, much in the same way Spielberg can't make Raiders again. Or Jaws.
Yeah, as mentioned, Palpatine's speech in Return of the Jedi—depending on how you take it—makes it sound like he never used a lightsaber, nor did anybody but the Jedi. (And Darth, who used one because he was a fallen Jedi.) So, really, not only should he never have had one, nobody else who weren't Jedi or a special exception should either. But then it was "badass" to have a bunch of bad guys running around with red light sabers, so that became a thing.
And Yoda having one was dumb too. Yeah, it was kind of neat at first in that "oh s**t" kind of way, but the more you thought about it, the more it just broke a lot of things to have a "cool" moment.
And Yoda having one was dumb too. Yeah, it was kind of neat at first in that "oh s**t" kind of way, but the more you thought about it, the more it just broke a lot of things to have a "cool" moment.
BuggyDClown
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Giacchino is clearly going to do Episode VIII or probably IX right? I mean, I would be shocked if he doesn't do IX unless someone else just crushes VIII.
This is assuming of course Williams is not returning for more.
This is assuming of course Williams is not returning for more.
unholyrevenger72
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I see you ignored my answer to this.
it's simple, elegant and would be a cool new fighting concept and style for the series.
As seen above mew two uses a beam saber with his telekinetic powers. Yoda should have had the same fighting style using the force. Would have been sick.
Only to have Sidious or Dooku pull it from his "grasp".... It's really dumb and you're reaching into the Force Unleashed levels of Power Creep..
Yeah it makes total sense for a Jedi Master to not have a lightsaber or the skills to use it.
Even though I don't agree with this mentality, I feel like McCreary is a write-off due to his heavily TV/Game/B-movie discography and a possible snob-complex Lucasfilm may have.
Then again, Giacchino started out with PS1 games so there's some hope there.
Also, in terms of JNH, his King Kong soundtrack style can totally work for this SW trilogy- at least the emotional parts.
Thomas Newman though? I like the guy but I'm not really confident in him either when it comes to more action/adventure films as Bond has proven. He does some really sick piano/strings pieces though, but he seems to just throw and see what sticks in terms of blockbuster genres.
Then again, Giacchino started out with PS1 games so there's some hope there.
Also, in terms of JNH, his King Kong soundtrack style can totally work for this SW trilogy- at least the emotional parts.
Thomas Newman though? I like the guy but I'm not really confident in him either when it comes to more action/adventure films as Bond has proven. He does some really sick piano/strings pieces though, but he seems to just throw and see what sticks in terms of blockbuster genres.
OricWindstar
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Fuck it, just get 'em all.
BuggyDClown
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Yeah, put your hand near a floating lightsaber being controlled by one of the most powerful force users in the universe. Great idea.
For that to happen one would have to believe that Yodas force strength is outweighed by the physical strength of any sith or being. That he would be better served holding it with his own hand?
That a little green alien would be safer holding the lightsaber with his tiny fingers, than using his abilities that he has shown are able to lift massive objects like x-wings with.
Try again.
excelsiorlef
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Some idiot made a terrible for score for The Clone Wars animated movie.
He did a pretty good job with the series tho.
The show has a terrible score, too.
It was always super hype when they used the music from the movies, though.
If IX is gonna be set up as the end all, be all of the movies
(lolnoway)
...except Zimmer. I love him, but unless he's doing a soundtrack the needs him to be out of the box, he tends to fall into a generic abyss that I think he also mentioned that even he is starting to get fed up with.
LookAtMeGo
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TBH I've only recently started appreciating musical scores in movies. Like, I've always noticed them and some stand out for sure but only recently have I been actually paying attention to it an appreciating it more. I need to familiarize myself with more composers.
Movies like Star Wars have always stood out though.
Movies like Star Wars have always stood out though.
GordonHalfman
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I've always thought Jedi pacifism, "knowledge and defense" was a bit of a problem, or at least as problematic as pacifism of any other kind.
I thought the prequels might actually explore this. In ANH Obi Wan says "you might follow old Obi Wan on some damn fool idealistic crusade like your father did", which sort of implies it was his decision to involve Anakin in a war which might have corrupted him. And then it makes you wonder what his teacher thought of all this, and whether Yoda had chances to intervene he didn't take and how he ended up in exile and why Vader and the Emperor seem to have forgotten he exists.
Bit of a missed opportunity really.
I thought the prequels might actually explore this. In ANH Obi Wan says "you might follow old Obi Wan on some damn fool idealistic crusade like your father did", which sort of implies it was his decision to involve Anakin in a war which might have corrupted him. And then it makes you wonder what his teacher thought of all this, and whether Yoda had chances to intervene he didn't take and how he ended up in exile and why Vader and the Emperor seem to have forgotten he exists.
Bit of a missed opportunity really.
OricWindstar
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Yeah, Zimmer is not a fit at all for Star Wars. My top pick, for the saga films anyway, would be Giacchino. I feel like his entire career has been an audition for a Star Wars gig.
The music during Ashoka's departure was the only good thing I took away from TCW's soundtrack.
Otherwise, I can't remember a damn thing from the rest of the score
excelsiorlef
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A Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes performance of All Along the Watchtower confirmed for Ep VIII
But seriously yes.
Bobby Roberts
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The score to Battlestar has some of the best use of leitmotif I've heard in a while.
lol. I liked a lot of the action stuff.The show has a terrible score, too.
It was always super hype when they used the music from the movies, though.
Single best on-purpose joke or visual gag in the prequel trilogy. It never fails to make me laugh.
Red Robes: Er, you can't uh-
Yoda: Nope.
OricWindstar
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I honestly can't think of another one I like, so I'm inclined to agree.
Giacchino's score for Jurassic World suggested to me that he might not be ready for Star Wars yet. It was an oddly sparse score that tried to sound bigger than it was. I thought the major new melody was a little too over the top and felt like it was straining to be grand. And the action music was completely forgettable noise. His work with Pixar has been far better. His Super 8 score was far better and even that had issues. I think he will be right for SW one day, but not yet.
Another one I like but others might find annoying:
Qui-Gon: I'm taking these people to Coruscant.
Battle Droid: Wherrrre arrre you takinnngg themmm?
Qui-Gon (annoyed): ...to Coruscant.
OricWindstar
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Can't comment too much on Jurassic World as I've only seen it once, but since I was never compelled to listen to the score afterwards I guess it can't have been all that great. I thought the Super 8 score was fantastic, so much so it made me convince myself that movie was a lot better than it was.
But more so than any of that is his Star Trek work. That shit screams Star Wars to me at times. I think he's got it in him and, though TFA's score is somewhat lacking, it actually has a pretty strong foundation for whoever comes in to work off of.
Haha, I guess relatively speaking, that line is alright. But man, I'm honestly racking my brain trying to thing of anything in the Prequels I genuinely found funny.
I guess Obi-Wan hurting himself on Jango's armor.
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