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[MMarston]

You know, I think I might be also open to Desplat jumping in from Rogue One. His Harry Potter stuff sounded pretty appropriate as a Williams replacement, but with more of his own personal trademark.

 

[Trigonometrize.]

Single best on-purpose joke or visual gag in the prequel trilogy. It never fails to make me laugh.

Red Robes: Er, you can't uh-

Yoda: Nope.

ROTS also had some moments during the opening Palpatine rescue.

I wonder what the funniest Star Wars movie is. It's been a bit too long since an OT watch for me to remember what they were like overall humor-wise.

Another one I like but others might find annoying:

Qui-Gon: I'm taking these people to Coruscant.

Battle Droid: Wherrrre arrre you takinnngg themmm?

Qui-Gon (annoyed): ...to Coruscant.

I guess it was trying to emulate speaking to customer service over the phone and it ended up too real for me.

 

[Waldini]

Superior Mobility is the only way for Yoda to overcome his height, reach, and physical strength disadvantage in saber combat. As dumb as you people think it looks to have Yoda jumping and bouncing around, it would look even dumber to have yoda just sit their wacking away at people shins.

So, doing barrel-rolls and summer saults in the middle of a fight is "overcoming" his height, reach and physical disadvantages?

Sorry to break it to you ... but it's not. Yoda could have deflected the Saber by sheer use of the Force. SHOW that he is the strongest Force user out there. Show that, even though Sidious is strong, he isn't THAT strong and has to rely on a saber. Hell, they could've showed Yoda "stopping" a saber attack with his hand like they did in the KOTOR cinematic.

There's tons of ways they could've shown it. But I guess that it's all good because that's how Jedi fight in their prime. Waaaaaaaaaaaaait a minute! Jedi's, sure. They are in their prime. But what about the Sith? Surely (by Lucas logic) the Sith should've fought like weak, old men? There's only 2 of them!

Anyway, I hate the Windu vs Sidious fight. The bullshit jump Sidious does on the "pod" thing in his room is ridicilous. The only good thing about that scene is the delivery of some lines;

"The Senate will decide your fate"
" ... i AM the Senate!"
"NOT ... yet".

 

[excelsiorlef]

The score to Battlestar has some of the best use of leitmotif I've heard in a while.

It'd be interesting because Bear likes his percussion and that's not something Star Wars has a lot of.

Still yes.

 

[Gleethor]

So, doing barrel-rolls and summer saults in the middle of a fight is "overcoming" his height, reach and physical disadvantages?

Sorry to break it to you ... but it's not. Yoda could have deflected the Saber by sheer use of the Force. SHOW that he is the strongest Force user out there. Show that, even though Sidious is strong, he isn't THAT strong and has to rely on a saber. Hell, they could've showed Yoda "stopping" a saber attack with his hand like they did in the KOTOR cinematic.

There's tons of ways they could've shown it. But I guess that it's all good because that's how Jedi fight in their prime. Waaaaaaaaaaaaait a minute! Jedi's, sure. They are in their prime. But what about the Sith? Surely (by Lucas logic) the Sith should've fought like weak, old men? There's only 2 of them!

Anyway, I hate the Windu vs Sidious fight. The bullshit jump Sidious does on the "pod" thing in his room is ridicilous.

Best way to get around in Battlefront!

 

[OricWindstar]

You know, I think I might be also open to Desplat jumping in from Rogue One. His Harry Potter stuff sounded pretty appropriate as a Williams replacement, but with more of his own personal trademark.

I'd be super down for that. Lily's Theme from Deathly Hallows is one of the best character themes in a while.

 

[Squire]

A few people have the connection between TFAs score and Harry Potter music. I didn't realize Desplat did The Deathly Hallows.

It's all coming together.

Edit: Oh wow beaten!

 

[Gleethor]

I wonder what the funniest Star Wars movie is. It's been a bit too long since an OT watch for me to remember what they were like overall humor-wise.

Its probably TFA or ESB.

 

[watershed]

You know, I think I might be also open to Desplat jumping in from Rogue One. His Harry Potter stuff sounded pretty appropriate as a Williams replacement, but with more of his own personal trademark.

I felt Desplat's Harry Potter stuff all lacked identity though I've heard it was a direction from Yates that he didn't want strong melodies so maybe that's not the composer's fault. But even with whatever faults people have with TFA's score I think it clearly has strong melodies for Rey, The Resistance and every time Kylo Ren is on screen. I'm not sure Desplat has that kind of deft musical touch to create motifs that sound inevitable for what they are associated with.

 

[Kitschkraft]

If Williams is game for it even at this age, I feel there's a high chance Johnson or the studio is gonna go "lol ok" for consistency/legacy reasons. Not that it's a bad thing, he still does great music. But as I've said before, only very few of his themes are memorable nowadays.

If not, I assume Giacchino is 90% locked-in for obvious reasons. Also, I'm not really who else could be an contemporary appropriate replacement for Williams. James Newton Howard maybe?

Boy would I have enjoyed a Reboot type of song in this.

Some might prefer the subtlety of this score, but me, I have always related SW to...those hummable, powerful, easily identifiable songs, and I didn't really here any of that here, and listening to the soundtrack on youtube hasn't really helped. Rey's Theme is okay, but I wouldn't yet remember it if I wasn't directly told what it was. I can't really even remember what Kylo's sounded like, not sure if "Finns Confession" was meant to be a theme or just random score.

 

[OricWindstar]

I wonder what the funniest Star Wars movie is. It's been a bit too long since an OT watch for me to remember what they were like overall humor-wise.

It's The Force Awakens or me by a long shot. Empire has a charming sense of humor, whereas The Force Awakens is more straight up laughs.

 

[Ushojax]

If John Williams is willing to do the scores then you have to give them to him. When he's unable to do it anymore, then someone else can take over.

 

[Trigonometrize.]

I felt Desplat's Harry Potter stuff all lacked identity though I've heard it was a direction from Yates that he didn't want strong melodies so maybe that's not the composer's fault. But even with whatever faults people have with TFA's score I think it clearly has strong melodies for Rey, The Resistance and every time Kylo Ren is on screen. I'm not sure Desplat has that kind of deft musical touch to create motifs that sound inevitable for what they are associated with.

Man, this is baffling to me. So many of the most iconic movies have exactly this. Why anyone would be against it is beyond me.

 

[excelsiorlef]

What about Howard Shore?

He's no stranger to epic trilogies

 

[watershed]

Man, this is baffling to me. So many of the most iconic movies have exactly this. Why anyone would be against it is beyond me.

It has been discussed a lot within the industry. I'm not suggesting that great film music isn't being made today but if you listen to a lot of movie and tv scores you'll definitely notice a move away from classic symphonic melodies and a turn towards "music as sound effects" where drone sounds and other styles of music are used to compliment or underscore the visuals. I think it is just the current trend that is perfectly valid but not what I want from a SW score.

 

[Falk]

If John Williams is willing to do the scores then you have to give them to him. When he's unable to do it anymore, then someone else can take over.

No offense to Williams, but 'when he's unable to do it anymore' isn't a binary line that's suddenly crossed overnight.

Star Wars is going to outlast Williams. As to when he's not up to the job anymore, that's something that's ultimately subjective, and ultimately up to the film's director to decide.

And I say that with the fact that his scores pretty much made both the OT and PT in mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-GZJhfBmI

 

[unholyrevenger72]

So, doing barrel-rolls and summer saults in the middle of a fight is "overcoming" his height, reach and physical disadvantages?

Sorry to break it to you ... but it's not. Yoda could have deflected the Saber by sheer use of the Force.

Yoda isn't that powerful and he never depicted as such. It's amazing how little people pay attention.
These are the only beings capable of deflecting Lightsaber Blows non-chalantly using only the force

SHOW that he is the strongest Force user out there. Show that, even though Sidious is strong, he isn't THAT strong and has to rely on a saber. Hell, they could've showed Yoda "stopping" a saber attack with his hand like they did in the KOTOR cinematic.

If he was that poweful he'd have killed Palpatine, and Anakin would have died on mustafar.

 

[MMarston]

What about Howard Shore?

He's no stranger to epic trilogies

I'm not really sure what to think of Shore because despite the vast discography he has in film, it's hard to unhear that LOTR score lol

 

[I'm an expert]

So, doing barrel-rolls and summer saults in the middle of a fight is "overcoming" his height, reach and physical disadvantages?

Sorry to break it to you ... but it's not. Yoda could have deflected the Saber by sheer use of the Force. SHOW that he is the strongest Force user out there. Show that, even though Sidious is strong, he isn't THAT strong and has to rely on a saber. Hell, they could've showed Yoda "stopping" a saber attack with his hand like they did in the KOTOR cinematic.

There's tons of ways they could've shown it. But I guess that it's all good because that's how Jedi fight in their prime. Waaaaaaaaaaaaait a minute! Jedi's, sure. They are in their prime. But what about the Sith? Surely (by Lucas logic) the Sith should've fought like weak, old men? There's only 2 of them!

Anyway, I hate the Windu vs Sidious fight. The bullshit jump Sidious does on the "pod" thing in his room is ridicilous. The only good thing about that scene is the delivery of some lines;

"The Senate will decide your fate"
" ... i AM the Senate!"
"NOT ... yet".

Do you understand at all how lightsaber forms factored into all of these fights? Yoda is an advanced ataru user. His mastery of the force is being shown by how insane his ataru 4 is.

 

[Gambit]

Me. Because it's been increasingly obvious over the past decade that where the man's muse is pointing him isn't particularly well suited for the kind of shit that Star Wars requires. He's just not great at writing those sorts of scores anymore. The Force Awakens is a solid score, but it doesn't pop. Pop is a good word, too, because a lot of Williams' best known compositions often take on elements of pop music, which is why they hang around in your head, the way they're structured, the way the melodies work - he makes classical pop music for big fat pop songs in movie form.

Or he used to. He doesn't do that so much anymore, and when he tries, it doesn't land the way it used to. Because he's grown in a different direction, much in the same way Spielberg can't make Raiders again. Or Jaws.

But he did: Tintin.

Spoiler

Personal bias is strong with this one.

 

[Waldini]

Do you understand at all how lightsaber forms factored into all of these fights? Yoda is an advanced ataru user. His mastery of the force is being shown by how insane his ataru 4 is.

No matter what excuse you come up with ... theres no justifying the bullshit jumps that have nothing to do with deflecting or attacking.

 

[Ushojax]

Do you understand at all how lightsaber forms factored into all of these fights? Yoda is an advanced ataru user. His mastery of the force is being shown by how insane his ataru 4 is.

None of that means anything. The way they had Yoda duelling simply looks stupid on screen.

 

[watershed]

Do you understand at all how lightsaber forms factored into all of these fights? Yoda is an advanced ataru user. His mastery of the force is being shown by how insane his ataru 4 is.

I love this comment in conjunction with your user name.

Seriously though both Yoda fights are ridiculous as are both Palpatine fights. Forget lore stuff, they are badly filmed, badly choreographed fight scenes.

 

[I'm an expert]

No matter what excuse you come up with ... theres no justifying the bullshit jumps that have nothing to do with deflecting or attacking.

None of that means anything. The way they had Yoda duelling simply looks stupid on screen.

Excuses..wut.. the forms are exactly why and how the jedi fight the way they do. The forms were fleshed out by the time the prequels came about but they apply to the original trilogy too.

Yoda fights the way he does because he is using ataru. Luke uses his version of the form against Vader in ESB (he spins and flips around too). The reasn Mace beats Sheev is because of Vapaad. These aren't excuses lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3p2tsmhvag

Go to 45 seconds in and watch a minute. This is a recent and CANON example of inquisitor immediately recognizing a student of a Soresu master.

If people don't want to dive into the lore of the world, that's fine, but so many posts in these kind of threads are just ignorant. Jin loses to Maul for a reason. Obi's stance switch after is the reason he even lives.

 

[casinoman921]

Great movie. Wiped the bad taste of the prequels out of my mouth.

Enjoyed Kylo Ren but would have preferred his face reveal to happen during the Han Solo confrontation. Would have been more impactful to me.

Also seemed like they glossed over Solo's death at the end. Only Leia seemed upset over it...then hey! R2-D2 woke up everyone! Woo hoo!. Let's find Luke! Maybe there's an extended scene that got cut.

Can't wait for the next movie.

 

[Ushojax]

Excuses..wut.. the forms are exactly why and how the jedi fight the way they do. The forms were fleshed out by the time the prequels came about but they apply to the original trilogy too.

Yoda fights the way he does because he is using ataru. Luke uses his version of the form against Vader in ESB (he spins and flips around too). The reasn Mace beats Sheev is because of Vapaad. These aren't excuses lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3p2tsmhvag

Go to 45 seconds in and watch a minute. This is a recent and CANON example of inquisitor immediately recognizing a student of a Soresu master.

If people don't want to dive into the lore of the world, that's fine, but so many posts in these kind of threads are just ignorant. Jin loses to Maul for a reason. Obi's stance switch after is the reason he even lives.

The silly lore doesn't excuse the way it looks on screen. It looks stupid, same as watching an old, stiff Sam Jackson fighting a Sheev stunt double with Ian McDiarmid's CGI head pasted on. It's completely artless and lacks any emotion.

 

[I'm an expert]

The silly lore doesn't excuse the way it looks on screen. It looks stupid, same as watching an old, stiff Sam Jackson fighting a Sheev stunt double with Ian McDiarmid's CGI head pasted on. It's completely artless and lacks any emotion.

The only issue they messed up in the movie version was not properly displaying Sheev's force speed. He is moving too fast to see, that's why it looks strange on film. They should have figured out a better way to show it. The anger is what powers Mace's form up. The novelization explains it better:

Vaapad is as aggressive and powerful as its namesake, but its power comes at great risk: immersion in Vaapad opens the gates that restrain one's inner darkness. To use Vaapad, a Jedi must allow himself to enjoy the fight; he must give himself over to the thrill of battle. The rush of winning. Vaapad is a path that leads through the penumbra of the dark side. Mace Windu created this style, and he was its only living master. This was Vaapad's ultimate test.

Anakin blinked and rubbed his eyes again. Maybe he was still a bit flash-blind—the Korun Master seemed to be fading in and out of existence, half swallowed by a thickening black haze in which danced a meter-long bar of sunfire. Mace pressed back the darkness with a relentless straight-ahead march; his own blade, that distinctive amethyst blaze that had been the final sight of so many evil beings across the galaxy, made a haze of its own: an oblate sphere of purple fire within which there seemed to be dozens of swords slashing in all directions at once.

The shadow he fought, that blur of speed—could that be Palpatine?

Otherwise, the fights are true to lore.

 

[Ratrat]

Did anyone else think Maz looked like an Antz character with sphincter eyes?

 

[Waldini]

Otherwise, the fights are true to lore.

I don't give a shit if its "true to the lore" ... it looked like shit.
The Phantom Menace fight between Obi-Wan/Qui-Gonn vs Darth Maul looked good.

 

[Johndoey]

I envy Rey and her insta bread it looked so good.

That detailed plan about taking down the Starkiller sure was something. We'll shut down the shield somehow, then blow that fucker up real good. Then again simplicity can be good.

That scene between Ren and Han just dragged on. And the light streaming through just a bit much even for Star Wars.

 

[I'm an expert]

I don't give a shit if its "true to the lore" ... it looked like shit.
The Phantom Menace fight between Obi-Wan/Qui-Gonn vs Darth Maul looked good.

I don't know man. Your original comment is that it's not shown how powerful Yoda/Sidious are..but it is. Sidious is on equal footing with Yoda in force and lightsaber combat. The issue is that ataru fatigues the user's force. This is why Yoda can't keep up with Sidious' force mastery by the end (when he's throwing giant senate seats at Yoda effortlessly). The fact that Sidious is still able to tap into such force power after fighting Yoda to a standstill is meant to show how the jedi had forsaken the force (through their arrogance, which Yoda realized earlier in the movies) and how the sith were now more powerful.

It's quite evident how strong both are, and even moreso how much stronger Sidious is at that point. Sidious specifically wins with force arts, just like you wanted.

 

[Loris146]

I don't give a shit if its "true to the lore" ... it looked like shit.
The Phantom Menace fight between Obi-Wan/Qui-Gonn vs Darth Maul looked good.

I hate it , but Duels of Fate is amazing.

 

[Waldini]

I don't know man. Your original comment is that it's not shown how powerful Yoda/Sidious are..but it is. Sidious is on equal footing with Yoda in force and lightsaber combat. The issue is that ataru fatigues the user's force. This is why Yoda can't keep up with Sidious' force mastery by the end (when he's throwing giant senate seats at Yoda effortlessly). The fact that Sidious is still able to tap into such force power after fighting Yoda to a standstill is meant to show how the jedi had forsaken the force (through their arrogance, which Yoda realized earlier in the movies) and how the sith were now more powerful.

It's quite evident how strong both are, and even moreso how much stronger Sidious is at that point. Sidious specifically wins with force arts, just like you wanted.

I'm not saying the entire duel is shit. I'm saying most of it is. There's other ways to show that A is stronger than B. You don't do that by spinning or doing random summersaults which have no direct impact on the fight itself.

Which brings me to another thing ... It could very well be that Snoke is Plageuis. Just like Kylo Ren is Ben Solo. When Anakin Skywalker pledges himself to Sidious he says : "To cheat death is a power only one has achieved" ... implying that Sidious his master could still very well be alive.

 

[Shaanyboi]

The only issue they messed up in the movie version was not properly displaying Sheev's force speed. He is moving too fast to see, that's why it looks strange on film. They should have figured out a better way to show it. The anger is what powers Mace's form up. The novelization explains it better:



Otherwise, the fights are true to lore.

Nobody cares. It was weightless, ugly, and looks sillier and sillier as it goes along.

 

[soulluos]

The secret behind Rey's theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecyzyct4OAc&feature=youtu.be

 

[Waldini]

The secret behind Rey's theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecyzyct4OAc&feature=youtu.be

Darth Vadur-BabyGurl confirmed.

 

[Angel_DvA]

The secret behind Rey's theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecyzyct4OAc&feature=youtu.be

We already know that she's part of the Skywalker, what people are trying to know is if she's a Solo or a Skywalker one.

 

[The Librarian]

I find it trying that strong female leads are prefered to be lesbian, instead of writing a women who wins over a man by being totally awesome.

I think that would be terrible. It basically says that a woman can't be a kickass heroine and lead unless she was gay.

I hope Rey gets to be a hero and get the guy, everything that is taken for granted in male led stories.

As a gay woman, can you two point me to all these "strong female characters" that are gay? Cause I'm having a hard time finding them. Maybe I missed them?

Or is this a case where having one or two in the last ten years is enough?

Eh I just think the seeds are kinda planted with Rey and Finn. Unless they do a 180 and have her end up with Poe or something. If they don't go that route I just don't see her romancing anyone.

After watching the film three times, any romantic interest that's there is coming entirely from Finn. Rey has no interest in him beyond being a friend, but I do agree it could still happen.

That's such a depressing thought.

I can picture is now, "HAN SOLO IS SEXIST, WHY EMPIRE IS PROBLEMATIC".

No, it's not depressing. Han Solo may not be sexist, but he was being sexist. He basically harasses Leia throughout the entire film.

 

[excelsiorlef]

The secret behind Rey's theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecyzyct4OAc&feature=youtu.be

I literally don't hear it. Is there another theme I am missing other than the Imperial March?

 

[CharmingCharlie]

I have to agree with others that the musical score for TFA was a bit of a let down. I do love Rey's theme and it was very fitting. However there were some key scenes that I felt were let down by the music.

Most notably for me the scene where the X-wings come screaming across the lake to save the day was a huge let down. I was expecting a full tour de force blaring "save the day music". Some kind of soul stirring music to punch the air too and yell "YES". Instead we got some pathetic meh piece that is instantly forgettable which is a shame really because they got the music for that scene right in the first big trailer they did.

 

[Xexros]

I don't know man. Your original comment is that it's not shown how powerful Yoda/Sidious are..but it is. Sidious is on equal footing with Yoda in force and lightsaber combat. The issue is that ataru fatigues the user's force. This is why Yoda can't keep up with Sidious' force mastery by the end (when he's throwing giant senate seats at Yoda effortlessly). The fact that Sidious is still able to tap into such force power after fighting Yoda to a standstill is meant to show how the jedi had forsaken the force (through their arrogance, which Yoda realized earlier in the movies) and how the sith were now more powerful.

It's quite evident how strong both are, and even moreso how much stronger Sidious is at that point. Sidious specifically wins with force arts, just like you wanted.

I'm ignorant on the lore, but having recently watched the PT myself I struggle with this. So at that point sidious is confirmed to be stronger? And anakin is the strongest of all time cause midichlorians? I thought they were equal since yoda gained confidence in himself and pushed back against palpatine and his force lightning. Star Wars wants us to believe the light side is stronger....but the movies always make it seem like the dark side is. I would like, like a power ranking of these people. Naw mean?

 

[Yoshichan]

TFA OST best OST

 

[Bedameister]

When I watched the movie I didn't really notice the OST at all.

 

[Langdon Alger]

For the price of a single X Wing, the Republic could feed everyone on Jakku for 10 years.

 

[BKG]

Just read that article on IGN which revealed that the TFA was at one point called Shadow Of The Empire, (one of my favorite Star Wars games)

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

The score was great in this.

 

[sep]

This is an italian comedian, so if you watch the movie with italian people you'll understand why we laugh when Kylo Ren remove his mask.

 

[Pagusas]

This is an italian comedian, so if you watch the movie with italian people you'll understand why we laugh when Kylo Ren remove his mask.

Doesnt look anything like him.

 

[heringer]

JJ and Lucas just released official numbers regarding the fight between Kylo and Ren, as well as Vader and Luke.

Darth Vader Episode 5: power level 10.000
Luke Episode 5: power level 3.000

Darth Vader Episode 6: power level 10.000
Luke Episode 6: power level 6.000
Luke pissed off: power level OVER 9.000!!

Kylo Ren: power level 7.000
Kylo Ren messed up: power level 3.000
Rey: power level 1.500
Rey after power up: power level 3.000

There you go. Luke beating Vader was more absurd. You can't argue with math.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Each time I watch this movie the better it gets.

One thing I noticed too with Finn and Rey's fight with Kylo that made an impact with me is that even Finn a guy not trained with a saber or force sensitive at all is able to injure Kylo pretty significantly when he stabs him in the shoulder. Then when Rey fights him the whole fight is her warding his blows off and just trying to defend against his attacks. When she channels the force she doesn't all of a sudden understand how to wield the saber in fact she uses the exact same fighting style - Jab Jab Jab followed by sweeping high arcs that was so useless before. The only difference is tapping into the force gives her more strength than Kylo and he is just too exhausted to defend.

This is an italian comedian, so if you watch the movie with italian people you'll understand why we laugh when Kylo Ren remove his mask.

Well..Umm they both have faces so I guess they have that in common.