The Fighting Game Noob Thread: From Scrub to Master
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No significant difference in netcode between PS4 and PC, it's P2P connection-dependent in either case. You may run into more WiFi connections on PS4 though.
PS4 has no framerate issues. It's solid 60 and equivalent to max PC settings now. It took a while, but it got there.
I don't think you can say one is clearly better. It really just depends on your setup and preferences. PS4 does have almost all the costumes bundled in, and the PC is a bit more tweakable and more flexible in terms of controllers.
CountBlack
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360 best version IMO
PS4 version still feels a bit off, but I've gotten used to it. I think it's slightly better than the PS3 version with the input delay issues.
PS4 version still feels a bit off, but I've gotten used to it. I think it's slightly better than the PS3 version with the input delay issues.
riskVSreward
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Is SFxT still relevant? Isn't UNIEL more relevant than Melty? Anyway, link to Mizuumi for Melty resources. http://wiki.mizuumi.net/w/Melty_Blood
MikeBreezy92
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Nah even though Parries are in SFV in a way, its not a universal mechanic so it kinda takes the learning how to fireball portion of fundamentals in a different direction.
@Manny we should play sometime bro.
Cindi Mayweather
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Still updating!
Believe me, I will be hitting all of you guys up a lot when T7 is out. I'm just not sure that I'm down to bang my head against Tag 2 by really playing it hardcore right now. Just offering to help newer people at the moment.
spookypicknmix
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Subbed.
I've been trying to get into SFIV for years, must have bought it 4 times and I always gave up due to getting run over by better players.
I'm finally seeing a bit of progress, I think actually switching characters helped me appreciate what the strengths and weaknesses are and improved my game a little bit.
I've been trying to get into SFIV for years, must have bought it 4 times and I always gave up due to getting run over by better players.
I'm finally seeing a bit of progress, I think actually switching characters helped me appreciate what the strengths and weaknesses are and improved my game a little bit.
oh you're one of the mods for aris' stream. nice to meet you.
That I am. Hello there!
For Marvel 3 there aren't a lot of general videos but this video is a must watch even if some concepts might be out dated now:
Marvel 1.0 ft. Based Jay Schneider Viscant.
https://youtu.be/8fMz3sHNv8Q
Also this team building guide :
http://iplaywinner.com/umvc3-team-building-guide/
I would never recommend Marvel as a starter fighter though. Neither 2 nor 3, maybe MVC1 but 1 is a lot different than 2/3 when it comes to team structuring.
Marvel 1.0 ft. Based Jay Schneider Viscant.
https://youtu.be/8fMz3sHNv8Q
Also this team building guide :
http://iplaywinner.com/umvc3-team-building-guide/
I would never recommend Marvel as a starter fighter though. Neither 2 nor 3, maybe MVC1 but 1 is a lot different than 2/3 when it comes to team structuring.
Cindi Mayweather
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Going through resources people suggested before editing them into the OP.
This is definitely the best one, it's fucking hilarious. Fucking 90's. Shit is like Wild n Crazy Kids on speed.
This is definitely the best one, it's fucking hilarious. Fucking 90's. Shit is like Wild n Crazy Kids on speed.
NoctisVsStar
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I meant Footsie based idk it works for me, i play in your grill style and i feel my 3s gameplay translates well to V for me at least. Granted the fireball/zoning game in V isn't as strong like in IV. But nevermind me I'm biased towards Alpha 2 and 3s XD ( 4 is great and Alpha 3 fun despite being broken )
Cindi Mayweather
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I just joined UFIV ScrubGaf on Steam. I suggest we have a general ScrubGaf group that is game agnostic!
riskVSreward
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That's the Tomo tape! Tomo was widely regarded as the #1 SF2 player by a mile, totally the Daigo of his day. In fact, there's some videos by Jeff Schaeffer that are worth a watch if you're interested in SF2 history and general playstyle tips. Jeff was also a top player back in the SF2 days.
Jeff Schaeffer - Origins of competitive Street Fighter II. Pt 1/5(the last 5 mins of this first part is gold)
And here's some of his general tips that can help improve your game:
LAAkuma "How to be the Best Player"
LAAkuma "Your Human Potential"
LAAkuma "Pressure Wins Games"
Anyone have any general tips for using Mila in DoA5LR? I always have a hard time with characters that have/focus on low attacks (ie all of them) and straight up get butchered by characters like Marie Rose and the ninjas. It's damn hard to do much when she's literally nothing but insanely predictable high attacks while the rest of the cast has mids and lows for days that I can never see coming.
Marvel
could never
I'll change it up when I get home
Like will try to hand leadership over to you as well
Cindi Mayweather
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Great thread, Cindi! Glad to see people are still finding the ebook useful. I don't know if it's rude to plug my own stuff here, but teaching people FGs is something I'm super passionate about. So:
Selfishly, I'd like to recommend Rising Thunder -- it's an online-only PC 2D fighting game that aims to simplify the execution barrier while keeping the depth we love in SF. I say "selfishly" because I liked the game so much that I joined the dev team (including SRK/EVO founders Tom and Tony Cannon and OG FGC legends Seth Killian and Art "Maj" Mkhikian as their community manager a few months ago. It's a free-to-play PC game currently in open technical alpha (meaning no tutorial, single player, or anything fancy yet) but you can check it out at risingthunder.com and see if it's a thing you'd be interested in following as it grows. And it's built for online play (GGPO 3 baby, best netcode in the business) on a keyboard, so no excuses
I've started experimenting with streams and videos to teach FG concepts and thinking, so if that's a thing you're into, definitely check 'em out. And if anyone ever wants a one-on-one intro to fighting games using Rising Thunder, I'm down to do those if you don't mind being on stream. I check NeoGAF a few times a week but you can always hit me up on Twitter if you want to give it a shot!
I made a (long) video where I talk about why learning to play fighting games has been really important to me, and some basic philosophical approaches to learning fighting games, over here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-RyaicGhuo
Patrick, can you please make a video playlist of your Rising Thunder videos?
Cindi Mayweather
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Cindi Mayweather
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Edited first post.
riskVSreward
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Great job Cindi! I think there's a way to make each section expand/contract to make it look a little cleaner. CODE tags perhaps?
Any tips for sticking really strict timing in combos?
For example I picked up XRD yesterday and was running some of the challenges and keep getting stuck on combos involving jump cancelling. I just can't seem to make my hands move fast enough to stick the timings.
For example I picked up XRD yesterday and was running some of the challenges and keep getting stuck on combos involving jump cancelling. I just can't seem to make my hands move fast enough to stick the timings.
Cindi Mayweather
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I'm working on that but people also need to provide where they live. THIS IS IMPORTANT.
ShinMaruku
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I love how my stream is a DOA learning place. But I do have pros there so perfect place. I shall also put some more guides for you to add. :E
GrayFoxPL
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It's true that frame data doesn't explain everything like block pushback or whiff recovery but like Cindi says even beginners should know the basics like safe/unsafe, pressure, punish etc.
I'm of the opinion beginning players should learn as early as possible instead of wasting time getting destroyed and being frustrated because they don't know what happened.
I didn't learn proper Tekken until TTT2 where online buddies thought me well.
Btw. If you like to play Tag 2 hit me up on PSN - GrayFoxPL
I'm in Euro region.
Check out our official thread.
Cindi Mayweather
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BlazBlue gaf needs to come in and support their game! BB Gaf is pretty sizable too, so it's pretty surprising. Any BB resources?
I think you can input the jump during hitstop.
ShinMaruku
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I should probably upload some of my many XRD L's so y'all could help me out
Dunno if I should just stick with Ky or continue trying to learn Sin which has been a pain
Ramlethal is just for you. Unlike her sisters she has chocolate in her. :E
I posted earlier that the Dustloop forums were a resource. There's also the Dustloop wiki that has character breakdowns, though I don't think it's complete. I'm not sure if we're not linking wikis or other forums.
http://www.dustloop.com/wiki/index.php?title=BlazBlue:_Chrono_Phantasma_Extend
Skullgirls has Skullheart and DOA has FreeStepDodge. I'm currently on mobile, but I'll try to point to a more specific site or thread later.
Tornix
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Exactly this. You can even input earilier before the hitstop during the startup of the normal. Especially needed for I-no/Millia combos involving air dashes.
Skullheart has a thread with helpful OP dedicated to beginner resources for Skullgirls here.
http://skullheart.com/index.php?threads/beginner-resources-thread.242/
http://skullheart.com/index.php?threads/beginner-resources-thread.242/
The Hermit
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I think I could use a mentor
I kinda have a pupil already ( my gf) but she is basically this:
I think I could use a mentor
I kinda have a pupil already ( my gf) but she is basically this:
Karsticles
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Find a way to JUST practice the part you struggle with. Set the dummy to jump and just practice the juggle. Then go back and reincorporate it.
Cindi Mayweather
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Yeah, the trick to combos is not learning the entire combo at once but in sections.
Do the part you're having trouble with over and over. And then combine the combo one bit at a time until you can do the entire thing.
Work on that combo for an hour tops, or else you'll get frustrated beyond that.
Do the part you're having trouble with over and over. And then combine the combo one bit at a time until you can do the entire thing.
Work on that combo for an hour tops, or else you'll get frustrated beyond that.
pattheflip
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Yo, that's awesome. Keep it up!
That was my x until she learned geif and got chun down to a science.Subscribed
I think I could use a mentor
I kinda have a pupil already ( my gf) but she is basically this:
pattheflip
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Patrick, can you please make a video playlist of your Rising Thunder videos?
Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX_Nk_X-ajWDiL5GEZRh8steL3IrcJsCw
ShinMaruku
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Also keep in mind if you go on tilt take a break. Never go straight back in a game if you are pissed. Hell I found progress by not playing something for a month and coming back. Or just returning to a character after a break.
GrayFoxPL
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And just to add - never play if you are sick. Even a cold. You'll lose over and over and over.
ShinMaruku
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Yup, you are not MJ it won't work.
Commentators talk about frame data, patchlogs mention frame data changes and some games even offer frame data(DoA5, VF5FS, MKX, Injustice). Leaving it out is very inefficient.
There is no downside to learning it and helps one to demystify fighting games, since frame data practically represents the time.
On top of that, the knowledge how to utilize frame data opens up further gameplay strategies such as frame traps, which in turn leads to new offensive strategy tick throw.
Actually the total animation represents "whiff recovery", if you want to be more specific about the time after the active frames then you have to look at "Recovery".
Also yes, beginners should learn it as soon as possible because it is an universal explanation of how the games partially work.
GrayFoxPL
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Should've noted I meant Tag2. It just gives startup/block/hit frames.