Finaika
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What if the ram is not compatible?
Happened to me on my Skylake build, it won't even boot.
PC gaming should adopt a console approach to regain momentum.
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What if the ram is not compatible?
Happened to me on my Skylake build, it won't even boot.
If modular phones were a thing they would also eventually have incompatible parts as tech develops. Even with current phones you can get incompatible SD cards. With consoles right now, you can get incompatible hard drives. Incompatible parts are just a reality of any tech that has any piece changeable.
Finaika
Member
I doubt the general consumers would even know they could upgrade their consoles' hard drives, and would not bother even if they knew.
And why is that relevant to this line of conversation?
1) Most major multiplatform (console-centric) publishers do almost no advertising for PC. So those sales percentages are actually impressive considering that fact.
2) Most people who own a PC have a laptop that isn't ideal for playing most games (trackpad and small keyboard). That's even more true in the case of a multiplatform publisher that releases games designed around a console controller.
3) Cost.
I really don't think anything like increased "ease-of-use" or "console-like life cycles" would do anything except annoy the dedicated PC gamers that already exist.
2) Most people who own a PC have a laptop that isn't ideal for playing most games (trackpad and small keyboard). That's even more true in the case of a multiplatform publisher that releases games designed around a console controller.
3) Cost.
I really don't think anything like increased "ease-of-use" or "console-like life cycles" would do anything except annoy the dedicated PC gamers that already exist.
Conkerkid11
Member
Look what you did OP.
Steam could easily have a built in benchmark that replaces minimum and recommeded specs with a cpu and gpu scores. Would be a good thing too considering the massive performance difference between a desktop Atom and i7.
Min specs (Medium settings)
CPU score: 200 x 4
GPU score: 600 (1080p)
RAM: 8 GB
Storage: 50 GB
Min specs (Medium settings)
CPU score: 200 x 4
GPU score: 600 (1080p)
RAM: 8 GB
Storage: 50 GB
Yes. He inspired more joke posts. What is truly wondrous is the people thinking that this is a legitimately serious thread.
bobawesome
Member
So he's a professional shitposter. I could learn a thing or two.
lol did you buy DDR3?
Finaika
Member
Kingston DDR4.
Dictator93
Member
Wait a minute, what happened with compatibility? Do you mean the RAM sticks you orddered were bad (i.e. DOA), or?
Finaika
Member
The ASUS motherboard was not compatible with Kingston DDR4 sticks, so I changed it with Corsairs DDR4.
D
Deleted member 125677
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Hahaha
They need ads with a thin guy dancing "this is for the r34l hardcore playa"
Harcore pC - proud sponsor of champions league
And pack in an inflatable comfy couch ffs
They need ads with a thin guy dancing "this is for the r34l hardcore playa"
Harcore pC - proud sponsor of champions league
And pack in an inflatable comfy couch ffs
Dictator93
Member
Were those kingston sticks listed on the ASUS website under compatible vendors for your board? ASUS, to my knowledge from using their boards, always provides a so-called "memory report" that lists all the modules that they can confirm work with their mbs.
IMO, always look for recommended makes.
My son plays CoDBO3 daily online for long periods of time. He has never complained about waiting for a match to start or trouble finding players. I just see him playing against others. Player base might be lower than console, but its enough to find matches regular.
Finaika
Member
I didn't know you have to look up compatible lists prior to building a PC, I always thought PC building was easy as a 9 year old building a Lego.
Which is why I always chuckle whenver some posters claim that building a PC is that simple, lol
OP raises some valid points but when I see threads like these I can't help but think of this;
Also, GAF is a pretty console centric place, we're not the median.
To stay on topic, isn't this what the Steam machines are about? I'm not a big fan of regarding one specific service or platform the savior of PC gaming, if it even needs one, but they have been doing their best, in their own interest offcourse.
Also, GAF is a pretty console centric place, we're not the median.
To stay on topic, isn't this what the Steam machines are about? I'm not a big fan of regarding one specific service or platform the savior of PC gaming, if it even needs one, but they have been doing their best, in their own interest offcourse.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
I really like how Intel pushed the Ultrabook label on things: Require certain specifications to be met in regards to battery life, size, and power.
I can't see why Intel, Nvidia or Valve can't do something similar. Maybe PC makers can partner up with big games and slap "ULTRA" labels on PCs that can run said game at ultra settings.
I can't see why Intel, Nvidia or Valve can't do something similar. Maybe PC makers can partner up with big games and slap "ULTRA" labels on PCs that can run said game at ultra settings.
It's as much of a rarity to run into ram that doesn't post at ALL as it is to run into a blue/red light of death. Either requires a trip to the store for an exchange or a call into Sony to wait a few weeks for a replacement.
Dictator93
Member
What happened to you is pretty darn rare in my personal experience of building PCs for nigh 15 years. It is far from necessary to look for such a thing. But when I buy things, I tend to research quite a lot about them anyway so that the chances of that happening rapidly approach 0.
Pc building websites do this for you if you do not care to take the time to look into low probability ram compatibility problems.
But beyond this, it still is actually pretty simple even if you do not use a pc build website. The compatibility problem between ram stick vendor is quite darn rare.
Now that I think of it, what was your case Finaika? i.e., what were the modules and what was the main board?
This isn't really true. The difference between an i7 and i5 and an i3 is the feature set, not necessarily the clock speed. It's possible to have an i5 that will outperform an i7 in a specific given situation, depending on model.
Building is easy, picking the pieces out can be the tricky part. That shouldn't matter though since there's tons of resources that'll tell you the exact parts for whatever range machine you want.
It's as simple as asking here, on reddit, overclock or a friend.
Nothing to chuckle about
It's easy if you're a 9 year old putting together the Lego, but the parents have to buy the Lego itself.
Moral Panic
Member
I'm so confused. The image in the OP says PC is 17% and XB1 is 12% so why is it PC that is dying? Or am I reading it wrong???
SprachBrooks
Member
The dirtiest word(s) to those who love PC gaming: buy pre-built!
Lol, tbh I'd get into PC gaming were it simpler but I've known all along that the joy is the freedom and ability to customise to your needs.
Lol, tbh I'd get into PC gaming were it simpler but I've known all along that the joy is the freedom and ability to customise to your needs.
Gauntlet Legends ran on what was essentially a stock Voodoo 2. I remember way back in the day seeing a dude working on getting it to run on an actual PC (with limited success).
I love that people are still taking the OP seriously after multiple pages.
Thanks Dennis! Where would we be without you.
copelandmaster
Member
Wow. After looking it up, I now remember my local arcade actually carried Dark Legacy. Never played, always passed it up for Time Crisis, HOTD, or Tekken 3 when I was a kid.
Feel_The_Pain
Member
With the world getting more tech savvy I'd say pc gaming will continue to flourish, and the console market will still be there for the long haul.
Two will co exist side by side, no need for console approaches as PC's have the pc approach, which is customization
Two will co exist side by side, no need for console approaches as PC's have the pc approach, which is customization
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=478074
It was a really good game, kind of a shame the best port we got was to the N64 and Dreamcast. No native PC port, despite running essentially on PC hardware (much like VF5, actually, which people have also made run on normal off-the-shelf PC hardware).
I like it more than the modern Gauntlet reboot.
Trouble is, even as someone who has built PCs in the past and works in IT, tracking this many variations when you're trying to find out which is the best option is several hours of research in itself. The problem even exists when you're looking at pre-built systems.
Instead, I got irritated and decided to stick with my existing 6 year old laptop which can't run many games anymore.
OPs figures are interesting because if that's sales figures rather than revenue, you can see 61% going to consoles - but the value of each sale is likely much, much higher too. PC games tend to release more cheaply and be discounted more aggressively.
Only real way to take a slice of that pie is Steam machines, so it's like an appliance - essentially just a steam console. You have to remove all traces of a configurable Windows running PC and offer set SKUs, and not too many of them.
they probably don't count, for some reason.
This is true.
I've spent a good couple of months trying to assist someone in their aim to buy a budget gaming PC for their son.
Forever I am being approached with boxes that contain Core2Duo or Nvidia 210's, them clinging to tangible concepts of 1GB vram and 1TB hard drive as markers of quality/performance.
What chance do they have in understanding the multitude of Intel configurations and all sorts that exist?
There is a population out there who want to play games who don't want to even go near this world of knowledge. Someone has already said this in the thread and the solution is a console. For a great many person, a PC is a terrible gaming platform choice and a console is better. Although cannot say this sort of thing out loud lest you invoke the angers.
What ram was it? You were running XMP?
I just wish it was easier to go into a shop and buy a value-for-money gaming PC.
It basically seems to be impossible, around here anyway. And if you go to the likes of Alienware you can't help but feel completely ripped off.
Then you head into build-your-own land, where indeed one feels entirely in control and feels like you're getting value for money. But it's a hobby onto itself almost. Certainly not 'casual' friendly. I've built my own in the past, will probably be doing so again soon, but if there was a quality off the shelf alternative that wasn't crazy money, I'd be all over it.
It basically seems to be impossible, around here anyway. And if you go to the likes of Alienware you can't help but feel completely ripped off.
Then you head into build-your-own land, where indeed one feels entirely in control and feels like you're getting value for money. But it's a hobby onto itself almost. Certainly not 'casual' friendly. I've built my own in the past, will probably be doing so again soon, but if there was a quality off the shelf alternative that wasn't crazy money, I'd be all over it.
Explain how the Alienware Steam machine is a complete rip off.
Build me a similar computer at a similar price that is a similar size. Don't forget to include the steam controller in the cost.
GhostTrick
Banned
Well, he's right. Alienware Alpha is the exception, not the rule. Assembled gaming PC are expensive, its a fact. And I think Steam machines missed an opportunity to not offer more things like the Alpha.
I should say, the above is a fairly subjective commentary based on my own recent attempts to just what I consider a good gaming PC in a simple/fast fashion. For me, a 2GB gpu isn't attractive. If you want the higher end PC experience that I'm currently looking for (e.g. a 970-esque system +) it seems like you either build your own or pay a substantial premium that puts it out of my comfort zone. I'm happy to be proven wrong though - I live in the EU, if there are other fast/value-for-money ways of getting a system like that that isn't build-your-own, I'm all ears! (As I say, I'll probably end up building my own anyway if not, but the lack or obscurity of other options is lamentable).
But that's not the performance tier that most enthusiasts on GAF will want.
gofreak is correct that at higher tiers prebuilts still seem like ripoffs, by and large. The good thing (well, if you don't enjoy building PCs) is that with the speed (or lack thereof) of CPU advancement these days you only need to build a system every 6 years or so, and then switch out the GPU once or twice depending on how high-end you want to stay.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
I don't know, my C64 was super easy to play games on. Plus it had character with the wonderful sounds my 1541 drive made while loading the games, which also afforded me plenty of time to get my snacks and drinks ready, my seat comfortable, my homework done....
GhostTrick
Banned
Not only that, it depends of the country. While Alienware Alpha base model was 450 or even 399 dollars in USA... It was 669 euros in Europe.