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[Chillz0r]

Concern troll: the thread.

I'm sure the OP is deeply concerned about this issue. So much so that he completely dismissed and downplayed the PC version of MGSV and called the PS4 build the "real graphical representation of the game".

Wow. Hahaha. Unbelievable the lies people tell themselves and at some point those lies become their own personal reality.

edit: oh whatever its parody troll apparently. Considering how absurd some posts have been in the last months its gotten hard to know if "troll or serious"

 

[Boss Man]

It's super easy to build a PC and I'm not really convinced that's the reason why most people don't bother.

It just doesn't seem cost effective. Not many people in TYOOL 2015 have a desktop computer sitting on a desk with a nice computer monitor. They have a nice TV, they might have a tablet or a laptop or a hybrid. So getting into PC gaming also means the price/inconvenience of going back to desktop computing (monitor, desk, chair) in addition to spending over $1000 on the machine.

I don't think many people look at the capabilities of a high-end gaming PC vs a game console and think that's a worthwhile investment. Part of the reason why PC gaming is not so mainstream might be because desktop computers aren't, either.

 

[Krejlooc]

At the risk of sounding like an elitist I don't think this is true. I don't want PC gaming to become more "accessible" if it means diluting what makes it special.
I don't want enthusiasts to be shafted for casuals to enjoy this platform, sorry.

Everybody drives the same roads, buddy. Car enthusiasts wouldn't have nearly as many places to travel if the common man didn't buy a common car. I'm all for things like Steam Machines. This is the first generation when many of my friends have actually chosen PC over consoles. It's pretty badass to be able to play with my friends. Most of my friends have either built their own machine (or, more accurately, had me help them build them) but a couple bought Alienware Alphas.

I don't care that they're on lesser hardware, only that they are able to join me. As someone who likes to make games, too, I welcome a world where everyone jumps aboard the open platform.

 

[Widge]

But when you say 'assist' couldn't you for example recommend a build from our Build-a-PC thread? They don't need to know all the model numbers and understand everything.

I would love to but they wanted to buy a pre-built box. On a crazy budget too. I consistently tried to push them towards the "here are some parts, give it to your lad to build" path but it didn't work.

Thinking about it, I could probably have done something halfway decent if I was building for myself, perhaps going through the classified section of some forums I know but no chance if you're the casual observer wanting a pre-build.

Anyway, Christmas is done now!

 

[StevieP]

It's super easy to build a PC and I'm not really convinced that's the reason why most people don't bother.

It just doesn't seem cost effective. Not many people in TYOOL 2015 have a desktop computer sitting on a desk with a nice computer monitor. They have a nice TV, they might have a tablet or a laptop or a hybrid. So getting into PC gaming also means the price/inconvenience of going back to desktop computing (monitor, desk, chair) in addition to spending over $1000 on the machine.

I don't think many people look at the capabilities of a high-end gaming PC vs a game console and think that's a worthwhile investment. Part of the reason why PC gaming is not so mainstream might be because desktop computers aren't, either.

PC gaming dwarfs all of these current consoles combined in player base, purchasing power, number of games and pretty much every other relevant metric available outside of susceptibility to large aaa advertising budgets.

 

[Kezen]

Everybody drives the same roads, buddy. Car enthusiasts wouldn't have nearly as many places to travel if the common man didn't buy a common car. I'm all for things like Steam Machines. This is the first generation when many of my friends have actually chosen PC over consoles. It's pretty badass to be able to play with my friends. Most of my friends have either built their own machine (or, more accurately, had me help them build them) but a couple bought Alienware Alphas.

I don't care that they're on lesser hardware, only that they are able to join me. As someone who likes to make games, too, I welcome a world where everyone jumps aboard the open platform.

I suppose we can see it that way but I fear that trying to make PC gaming too accessible will be harmful to enthusiasts, and quite frankly I don't care if the PC platform is deemed too difficult to get into by some, it's where it needs to be for me.
That's a selfish point of view I know.

 

[alexandros]

The problem with the PC graphics is that graphics become way too clean and angular, somehow on lower resolutions textures blend together instead of creating this artificial look.

Ask any real gamer and will tell you something looks "off" on PC versions.

It's worth noting that higher resolutions only look off on PC. On console the difference between 900p and 1080p is extremely noticeable because those natural lifelike graphics combine with the cinematic framerate to produce a truly movie-quality image that resembles a Blu-Ray at 1080p. On PC you have this sterile image that looks nothing like real life. Higher resolutiions only serve in increasing the fakeness. Then you have the 60+ refresh rate that makes everything look like a TV show.

At the risk of sounding like an elitist I don't think this is true. I don't want PC gaming to become more "accessible" if it means diluting what makes it special.
I don't want enthusiasts to be shafted for casuals to enjoy this platform, sorry.

PC gaming is flexible enough to accomodate both, I think.

 

[Jinkies]

All of the largest Kickstarter games are either exclusive to PC, treat it as the leading platform, or treat it as equal to console. There is a very large segment of developers and players that PC serves best.

While a low-cost console is going to have an inherent advantage in early sales, PC releases generally have longer legs due to consoles' weak backwards compatibility and narrower options for distribution.

 

[Krejlooc]

I suppose we can see it that way but I fear that trying to make PC gaming too accessible will be harmful to enthusiasts, and quite frankly I don't care if the PC platform is deemed too difficult to get into by some, it's where it needs to be for me.
That's a selfish point of view I know.

Were the PC ecosystem a curated affair, I could see your concern. But it's not. That's precisely why I wish more were playing on PC - because there is no barrier to entry. It's the only platform that can enable games like Star Citizen to exist.

 

[alexandros]

Everybody drives the same roads, buddy. Car enthusiasts wouldn't have nearly as many places to travel if the common man didn't buy a common car. I'm all for things like Steam Machines. This is the first generation when many of my friends have actually chosen PC over consoles. It's pretty badass to be able to play with my friends. Most of my friends have either built their own machine (or, more accurately, had me help them build them) but a couple bought Alienware Alphas.

I don't care that they're on lesser hardware, only that they are able to join me. As someone who likes to make games, too, I welcome a world where everyone jumps aboard the open platform.

Well said.

 

[Jinkies]

theres actually a defacto controller, the Xbox 360 controller which is pretty much compatible with every game that support controller input.

Although this is true, the Steam Controller is the first gamepad to actually cater to PC, both in functionality as well as customization and power-usage.

I am playing games that came out before I was born, using a gamepad. And they play like they were made for it. To say nothing of new games with so many more features, and thus benefit from the larger range of control options.

 

[Setsuna]

If it were that simple, that would be awesome. But taking a glance at the "i7" page of NewEgg I can see:

i7-4790K
i7-5820K
i7-5930K
i7-5960X
i7-4790
i7-4790S
i7-4770S
i7-6700
i7-975
i7-4771
i7-870
i7-6700k

Are that many varieties necessary? Then there's that many (or more) of the i5, the i3, the Pentium "Dual Core" models, the Celeron, plus others and AMD's offerings.

Anyone looking for an extreme edition Cpu is getting a 6700k a 5960x or waiting for the inevitable 6960x

No one is looking at an 8 year old 975

 

[cyress8]

I know I should not take threads by MRORANGE seriously, but no, I and many others like options to choose what we want when dealing with PCs. We hope others see the benefits and not try to force it into a mold set by something else.

If PC consolfication started years ago, we would not have Steam, which in turn means 0 steam streaming, which in turn means that I would be forced to game in a single room or lug around a consolfied PC. I surpassed consoles "comfy couch experience" by being able to game literally anywhere in my house. I can game in my bedroom, my man cave, living room, and den. I do not need to lug around anything other than my steam controller. In the spring, I hope I can set something up to allow me to game on the patio. Really thinking about putting a cheap 30 inch tv out there. Hell, I could even game in the kitchen if I had a tv in there.

This would not even be possible if PC did not grow by being itself.

 

[Arkam]

What OP is suggesting is basically what I thought steam machines were going to be. Essentially a tiered reference hardware for developers to target. Sad that is not what they turned out to be.

 

[Nevadatan]

Although this is true, the Steam Controller is the first gamepad to actually cater to PC, both in functionality as well as customization and power-usage.

I am playing games that came out before I was born, using a gamepad. And they play like they were made for it. To say nothing of new games with so many more features, and thus benefit from the larger range of control options.

Thats why i said "defacto", the Xbox 360 controller never was promoted as the official controller for PC, yeah they braded some controllers under the microsoft hardware motif but the controller got accepted later because atfer microsoft games on ...you know..GFWL could use the controller right away with no need to configure mapping and stuff.

 

[petran79]

Thats why i said "defacto", the Xbox 360 controller never was promoted as the official controller for PC, yeah they braded some controllers under the microsoft hardware motif but the controller got accepted later because atfer microsoft games on ...you know..GFWL could use the controller right away with no need to configure mapping and stuff.

This was the official PC controller prior to Xbox360. It was far ahead of its time. You can even revert the controlls

 

[Krejlooc]

This was the official PC controller prior to Xbox360. It was far ahead of its time. You can even revert the controlls

official? According to who?

Well, if anything, this is the closest the "PC" ever got to an actual official controller:

Considering the game port standard was defined by it.

 

[ScepticMatt]

comedy gold.

I just wish there were more hardcore multiplayer games like bloodborne on pc instead of casual free to play stuff like dota.

Dota 2 - casual ...?

 

[Mudcrab]

comedy gold.


Dota 2 - casual ...?

Taking this thread and that quoted post seriously...

 

[jroc74]

Didn't you just describe the Alienware Alpha?

I was thinking the same thing. I believe Alienware Alpha, Steam Machines are the answer.

 

[petran79]

official? According to who?

 

[prag16]

Concern troll: the thread.

I'm sure the OP is deeply concerned about this issue. So much so that he completely dismissed and downplayed the PC version of MGSV and called the PS4 build the "real graphical representation of the game".

Damn. That linked post is one of the worst I've ever seen on gaf. Just ridiculous. That's what people meant earlier when they said things like "lol Mr Orange topic". "Concern troll: The Thread" is right. Leave our PC gaming alone. Making it the same as consoles really does nobody any favors.

 

[Gumbie]

Damn. That linked post is one of the worst I've ever seen on gaf. Just ridiculous. That's what people meant earlier when they said things like "lol Mr Orange topic". "Concern troll: The Thread" is right. Leave our PC gaming alone. Making it the same as consoles really does nobody any favors.

Everyone time someone actually believes a MRORANGE thread/post I die a little inside.

 

[Mudcrab]

Everyone time someone actually believes a MRORANGE thread/post I die a little inside.

It's pretty impressive. Somehow his trolling is traveling through the past to catch bodies in the now.

 

[Aces&Eights]

For me, it's not that I can't figure out how to build a good pc, install/update drivers, etc., it's that im just lazy. I am on a computer 9 hours a day at work and every day my network disconnect, Word defaults to original settings, our software has issues, my printer suddenly can't be recognized or any number of irritating things. When I get home, the last thing I want to do is continue on that trajectory. I just want to hit start and play.

Even with this color coding you will still have borderless window issues, driver incompatibility, or a host of other things that require you to put on the IT hat.

Not having 4k and dealing with lower FPS is a fine tradeoff for turning on and playing imo.

 

[StevieP]

For me, it's not that I can't figure out how to build a good pc, install/update drivers, etc., it's that im just lazy. I am on a computer 9 hours a day at work and every day my network disconnect, Word defaults to original settings, our software has issues, my printer suddenly can't be recognized or any number of irritating things. When I get home, the last thing I want to do is continue on that trajectory. I just want to hit start and play.

Even with this color coding you will still have borderless window issues, driver incompatibility, or a host of other things that require you to put on the IT hat.

Not having 4k and dealing with lower FPS is a fine tradeoff for turning on and playing imo.

It's not that PC gaming isn't simple as fuck already. It's that, well... Your IT department is bad

 

[Kezen]

It's pretty impressive. Somehow his trolling is traveling through the past to catch bodies in the now.

His trolling skills are phenomenal.

 

[CrunchyFrog]

Regain momentum lol.

Yeah I'm not seeing how the numbers in op's chart back up that theory.

Edit: oh mobile with avatars off didn't realize it was mrorange. I've been had