I assume you have read the thread and understand why some are saying that?
Xbox One at 18 million (activated units)
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BRocknRolla
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Pretty sure that person is being sincere. Xbone seems to be a pretty accepted way to say the console at this point. Anyone still reading it as "X-bone" and sniggering at their sick burn is a child.
Regardless though, these are consoles. Inanimate objects. None of them "deserve respect."
KurtSloane
Banned
Not that far behind?
2:1 is a huge advantage.
Xbox is the way behind to the point it's not even a competition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0
GAF, once again showing why they will never be the heads of multinational corporations.
Having 1/3 of the market in any other multi billion dollar industry would be considered very successful, I'm not sure why this is any different.
BRocknRolla
Member
2:1 is a huge advantage, that that does continue to generate its own momentum, but it's going too far to say they aren't in competition.
What will be interesting is to see whether PSVR starts to shift focus or evolve the PS4 console so as to make it seem like it's a totally different experience that the Xbox. If that happens, they may well start to see diverging audiences. (I don't personally see that happening, but the next year will be interesting to see.)
I usually only use "Xbox One", feel free to check my post history.
But, for the purposes of this thread, I will make certain to call it the Xbone whenever I refer to it.
And no, the Xbone does not deserve respect. It's a plastic box sitting under my TV.
Any better ideas to get the majority of the market? Give the console away for free?
RedAssedApe
Banned
(not sure if serious but...) even xbone owners refer to it as xbone. at this point, getting upset over xbone says more about you than the people using it.
Mendax
Member
come back tomorrow and the bone will be market leader!
MS could take that hit yeah, but the xbox division (now devices?) likely could not. It also likely would not be worth it for the overarching company to throw even more into that sinkhole.
But they don't have 1/3 of the market. They are not even at 30%.
But even if they did have, it's not much of an accomplishment when there are only 3 companies competing
Close enough. My own approximations are as follows:
PS4 - 36 million
X1 - 97.9 million*
Wii U - 13 million
*Around
RedAssedApe
Banned
actually pretty good. still ahead of 360 sales right?
I was doing 36 + 18 = 54M. 18 / 54M = 0.33 (1/3). Not counting wii-u.
Night Angel
Member
Shouldn't we call it "The Xbox One, the complete all-in-one games and entertainment system" or "The One"?
BRocknRolla
Member
Following up a crazy idea with an even crazier idea doesn't make the first one seem more plausible.
KurtSloane
Banned
There is no competition from MS, they are a regional competitor at best, especially this gen.
Their main rival has twice the market share, a global brand and all the momentum.
It is the Xbox that needs to differentiate itself from the PS4, as the market stands it is what the PS4 is and does that the market wants, the X1 is the weaker, less desirable of the two.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Wait, I don't unde--
Oh snap! Lol
If the Wii U can break 10 million, XBO can easily do so. And don't forget MS has the money to see it through; even OG Xbox took 2nd in its gen and that had none of the advantages XBO has.Well just after E3 and pre orders opened, Microsoft must have seen the numbers coming through and would have been well aware of what Sony were doing and behind the scenes' Mattrick would have been doing his best Private Frazer from Dads Army impression.
They were fucked. The brand was toxic. The guy in charge lost his job. I bet they might have thought this was it, they've lost the gamers and they could be out of the industry.
Of course its getting spanked by the PS4 but the Xbox could easily be as dead as a dodo this gen and still not have broken through the 10 million barrier yet.
If there on 18 or thereabouts now you'd imagine come the end of this gen theyll be somewhere near 40-50 million. Theyll count themselves lucky, pat themselves on the back for the changes they made and take a solemn vow never to make the same mistakes again.
Just my 2cents on it though
My (and others) questioning is in this implication XBO sell-through is higher than 18 million, b/c like Chobel said that'd mean momentum is coming from non-US/UK markets, and we all know how poorly it's been doing in those places. And considering it was flat this Nov vs. last in NA, I don't see it having surged crazily in December.
Another poster said it was around 15 million as of the end of November. If that's true, and assuming it did the same in December in NA that it did for November and, let's say, peg UK at around a million (that's probably too high), how does the ROTW account for the other 500k?
Mendax
Member
It is, but is that such an achievement?
don't forget the italics and the "tm"
I just simply don't think it would have mattered. They made solid effort with trying with the 360 during a time in which the PS3 had a lot of negativity and it still didn't matter.
Sony came out stronger this gen vs. last gen and the Xbox brand didn't have a one year head start this time.
The Xbox brand has gained popularity since 2005 but on the flip side, it really only did so in the territoires in which the Xbox One is currently doing solid in.
The way I feel about this is similar to how I feel when I see people making statements about Nintendo making a "major comeback" if the NX is powerful and has third party support. The general audience is simply too locked into thinking the Xbox and PlayStation brands are the appropriate places to play core games due to more than a decade of solid support for that type of gaming and acceptable online play. It would take Nintendo many years plus some really silly mistakes from Xbox and PlayStation for them to be in the spot in my opinion.
People in foreign countries feel similar about Xbox vs. PlayStation and did so even before the PS4 reveal.
Night Angel
Member
If we disregard their competition, they're doing better! Who would've thunk it?
Mexen
Member
Cheers.
Dyson Industries
Banned
Well, hopefully this teaches the TVTVTV/parole box boosters a valuable lesson. Let them go work in the Office365 division or whatnot and let the champions for gaming first inside Microsoft lead the way next go round.
Serves them right.
Serves them right.
I was just asking for better ideas. It's easy to just shot down ideas, anyone can do that.
I'm curious to what people think MS can reasonably do to gain the majority of the market. I'm not sure they are even considering that at this point.
I just think most hao fans already bought an xbox way before halo with all the crazy deals in 2014.
Since people are quoting 2:1 to PS4, why is it wrong to use that same ratio to say that they are not doing that badly in a multi billion dollar industry? It's not like we're talking single digit adoption here.
Lionel Richie
Member
Isn't any product outselling its previous iteration an achievement?
This is hilarious.
BRocknRolla
Member
I'll agree to disagree on what degree of competition MS poses, but I agree that Sony has all the advantage and momentum at this point.
I'm not suggesting that the PS4 *needs* to differentiate itself. I'm suggesting that it could based on how VR shakes out. MS definitely needs to find a new angle, but depending on Sony's focus in the next couple years, they may or may be able to continue to lean on traditional gaming (Maybe focusing on W10 integration of something).
But that's even worse then.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
So does Sony disregard both then? lol
Night Angel
Member
Maybe make a product people want at a price that makes sense without alienating a significant portion of your market with serious missteps and an almost complete lack of focus on all but a single region?
Which consoles do you add to the equation to get market %?
Wii,
WiiU,
PS3,
PS4,
XBOX 360?
I was considering next gen consoles.
such concern
rokkerkory
Member
So maybe 45-50m tops end of this lifecycle?
I think they did that when Phil Spencer took over, it's hard to imagine what else they can do at this point to gain substantial traction.
Now the Wii U is not consider next gen. Wtf am I reading
Plague Doctor
Member
I know you mean well but this is a whole can of worms (unless you are joking and then that's brilliant). The last time this came up, well.. that thread was both golden and sad.
As far as the topic goes, the ship has passed and sailed for this generation as competing for the market leader. Microsoft just needs to consolidate their audience, grow in meaningful ways, and soldier on to the next step in their gaming division. Make the best games they can, avoid their previous PR snafus, and that's about it. I really think they should drop the MAU nonsense and just be realistic, as even if it's not a gloatable number, it shows they are above board with their perception. (granted no company is really all that transparent but the switching to MAU thing is too much)
I jumped from the 360 to the PS4 but towards the later half of this generation, if they build from within, and focus on just being the best they can be, I'd consider it as a supplemental platform kind like with the original xbox.
Mexen
Member
Is this sarcasm?
PointerToAddress
Neo Member
18M is not bad at all considering the price point they started with and all the fuckups that happened in their 1st year. It's still solid compared to other consoles, that it stays solid is another matter.
Of course it mattered during the 360 era!
They achieved a gigantic jump in marketshare, and they even took over the UK! You are thinking of this as a zero-sum, winner-takes-all game when making this analysis, when the comparison should be the Deltas in market share. It's clear that the 360 was a gigantic step forward in Europe in this regard.
Wii U - 180 million
XB1 - 230 million
PS4 - 666 million
3DS - 2 billion
PSV - infine sales level
So if we're considering PS4 and Xbox one. PS4 has sold 36M, Xbox one 18M as far as we can tell, how is that not 1/3 of the market?
Or are you talking about potential market?
The Artisan
Member
na... Xbox One is X.B One. Say it as one word? Xbone.
I know you are joking.
What?
compared to what happened in the 6th gen where Ps2 was soaring, where the Xbox1/GameCube/dreamcast combined in sales weren't half of its?
The Ps4 by definition has the advantage but imo xbone isn't that far behind (again, that isn't to imply it'll catch up though. Just that to me the gap isn't that huge)
Mike Works
Member
Well that's pretty friggin convenient that you're not counting the Wii U.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
When games get announced for "PC and next gen consoles", nobody ever assumes they're referring to Wii U.
Power wise, it sits at the same lunch table as 360/PS3, so that's where I'd peg it.