But it's true... all of it.
PlayStation 4 hits 35.9 million sold through to end users
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But it's true... all of it.
Second best aint so bad.
slavesnyder
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You better watch out,
You better not cry
Better not pout, I'm telling you why
Parity Clause is coming to town
He's making a list
And checking it twice
Gonna find out Who's naughty and nice
Parity Clause is coming to town
SMOK3Y
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Lol 😊
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The Wii was an atypical games console. It was an outlier in the console space as it sold to people who didn't /don't normally buy a games machine. PS4 is a pure games machine that has become a cultural phenomenon. People across the globe are lining up to buy this piece of hardware at a greater concentration than at any other time in console history. Not even the PS2, the benchmark for success in this industry, sold this well and I believe that's the source of shock and awe for many of the people in this thread.
PS4 is likely going to hit 50 million at some point this year which should be great news for developers because not only do you have a system that's easy to make games with, you have a concentrated audience of 50 million potential customers for your game. Not this 50/50 bullshit we had last generation which forced dual development and coincidently saw lots of devs goe bankrupt and everyone else making action games while chasing that CoD money. Now, coincidently, with the vast majority of the gamers on one console we are starting to see this wide variety of games and experiences from all genres come out and it's only going to get better.
blackbond is a pc guy
When did that happen? That's not how i remember that guy
Omnistalgic
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but I thought competition, aka all consoles having parity is the best thing for the industry. We can't have Sony dominate like this.
tattooed_dwarf
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We had wide variety of games last gen. Similar tech between top selling consoles ensures much cheaper ports. Dismissing Wii as outlier is bit stretch, many purchase PS4 as whole, not just games machine. To be frank whole post sounds like PR.
SolidSnakex
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This was the original announcement for it
http://www.ign.com/articles/2002/05/21/e3-2002-ps2-owns-gta
But the most amazing story about GTA and PS2 exclusivity, was how GTA3 became a PS2 exclusive
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-11-24-ps2-the-insiders-story-article?page=3
Wii audience never bought games like ps3 and 360 audience.
PS4 audience is buying those very true your comment.
Problem is Ps4 won't reach 180m sold like 360+Ps3 did so the ps4 only market won't be as big as that...
Can someone explain the whole deal regards Agent - my vague understanding is that R* bought the LA Noire IP from Sony and in return Sony asked for an exclusive that was going to be Agent?
Is that basically it? Is this a contractual obligation or just a handshake that will at most probably turn up in another form? Just seems weird that it still forms a shadow and hasnt been called.
ps3ud0 8)
Is that basically it? Is this a contractual obligation or just a handshake that will at most probably turn up in another form? Just seems weird that it still forms a shadow and hasnt been called.
ps3ud0 8)
SolidSnakex
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That's all speculation. We have no concrete details on what the deal actually was. And we probably never will. Geoff would ask Tretton about it after every year once it was announced and never could get any details. It's most likely dead by now. The only reason it may still be around is because it was apparently a game that the Houser brothers had wanted to make for quite awhile. But it's hard to imagine that they'll be making anything other than GTA now given how long it takes for those to come together.
The Artisan
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yeah, and a price cut to $299. I definitely think Ps4 will continue to hotcake itself. Do bundle rights=marketing rights though? or are they independent deals?
also, you're right that install base had something to do with Ps2 getting gta exclusives but it also probably had to do with sony paying for rights. otherwise those games would've been permanent exclusives like the psp games, not just timed.
I think I am with you there. some people still think no man's sky is a timed exclusive and rocket league was a timed exclusive too although i dunno if it was because any moneyhatting thing.
all good etta
he's gone :\
serversurfer
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A marketing deal may include a bundle, but not necessarily. A bundle basically is a marketing deal, so if there's a bundle, you can typically expect a "standard marketing deal" to be surrounding it.
Sony "paid" in the form of marketing, reduced royalties, free devs kits, etc. Then they went back and let R* release on other platforms earlier than initially agreed. Suitability/viability of GTA on DS likely had more to do with PSP exclusivity than any contractual arrangements.
According to Hello Games, the only reason there's any sort of exclusivity with NMS is because they're too small to consider anything else. I'm kind of surprised they're sim-shipping on PC, actually; Sony are likely providing them with a lot of development assistance to lighten their load. SARPBC never made it off of PS3, and Rocket League likely only got ported to Bone because of the IGC-fueled success it found on PS4. Psyonix is only "30+" people, after all.
Not everything is a moneyhat.
Wii launched at $249. PS4 is doing similar numbers at anywhere from $50 to $150 more cost. I'd say its pretty unbelievable.
The ps4 sold better as long as the comparison was ps4 ww vs ps2 japan.
The moment the ps2 was available in the us and europe it sold better.
Counting from the us launch (~26 months):
ps4 36 mill. sold through
ps2 46 mill. shipped
That's not even close.
The ps4 sales are nothing special.
In fact it is the worst selling market leader since the ps1.
The Artisan
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I wouldn't go that far. when it was first released it was selling better than sony themselves expect.
The Mad Draklor
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Didn't know opinions are facts...
Primethius
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:lol
Yes, it's the worst selling market leader since 2 generations ago. What a record.
Crimson_Gold
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How many alts does noobie have? Seriously.
You're stating opinions as facts. You can't compare Japan's performance in a vacuum. You have to take market trends into account
That's not really a super valid comparison dude.
There is Little diferente between tech this generation so that "50/50 bullshit" doesn't means nothing today. Even if a game sells 10 million on ps4 and 1 million on Xbox one it's still one million sales that could add some great value when it comes to profit at almost none effort porting between platforms.
The Artisan
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i'd assume porting would be easy for devs this gen but you have to wonder if in this hypothetical scenario you threw out there that if a multiplat sells at a 10:1 ratio in favor of the Ps4, if the devs would feel like it was even worth putting in the resources for making an xbone version
2blackcats
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Not to mention any concessions they would have to make getting the game running on the weaker hardware.
The Artisan
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which would suck. it wasn't until i joined GAF that I learned that everything that was cut from Me3 was due to Ps3's split ram
The problem is when you start lowering that number on PS4 while keeping the same ratio, if it's 1 million sales to 100k where it barely breaks even porting it, is it worth it? While the cost of porting may be lower because of similar tech that doesn't mean it's free.
The Artisan
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yep. i think that's the reason why persona's gonna stay playstation exclusive. apparently the 360 version of persona 4 arena flopped fucking hard.
gundamkyoukai
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Plus it's not only porting cost , it's shipping , disc printing etc etc .
But truth be told that will only matter when it comes to Japanese games .
Western games sell good on X1 where they can easily make back the port cost .
3rdamention
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Microsoft invited Tim Dog to E3 last year, and all the big suits took pictures with him and everything..Tim Dog wrote a blog post about the whole experience, about it being like the greatest thing that ever happened in his life...It was pretty hilarious, and sad...
This is the same Tim Dog who refers to NEOGaf users as "gaffots"...and they invite him to E3..
Between "gaffots" and "rice eaters" , these are toxic individuals and the type I would want to publicly distance myself from...not embrace them..
Do you think Rockstar will make another Red Dead?
The Artisan
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it also kinda contradicts what phil spencer said before about not appreciating console wars/fanboyism.
Nothing special in a "never happened before" sense.
Read the post i responded to:
The point of my post was to show that not only the wii, but also the ps2 sold better the moment it was available.
And ofc the ps4 is selling better than Sony (and everyone else) expected - how could they have expected these kind of sales and market share after last gen?
There is no opinion in that sentence.
It either sold better or worse than wii/ps2.
Yeah, for sure not as valid as the japan ps2 vs worldwide ps4 comparison that is always done.
This is true. What is also true is that XB1 still exists in this market and does well enough to seemingly sell half as much as PS4 does. Combined, PS4 & XB1 could reach the number that PS3 & 360 had sold. This generation is indeed closer to the generation of the PS1, N64, and Saturn generation than it is to the PS2, Xbox, and GC generation, except that PS4 will likely do better than the PS1 did, the XB1 will likely do better than the N64 did, and the Wii U has already done better than the Saturn did. However, even in the sixth generation, the PS1 still had the majority of third-party support with whatever western support existed at the time dual releasing on PS1 & N64 for the most part.
TalentBurke
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3rdamention
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You are correct, but to be fair to Phil, I think he said that AFTER E3. We will see what happens next year.
But I have zero issues with inviting fans and even "super fanboys" to these events, but what bothers me is inviting these really vile, hateful online "characters" or people and just empowering/increasing their feeling of being "in" with the console manufacturers and being someone that people should listen to.
gundamkyoukai
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I also think this gen going to have less dual consoles owners comapre to last gen .
When it comes to X1 and PS4 so we are see more consolidation between the 2 .
I speculate differently. Because a AAA game like GTA V takes so long to make, my guess is that RockStar preferred to not have discussion of any other major title that they were producing until that game released.
Now that GTA V has pretty much completed its run of major support, I look to E3 2016 as the event for Agent's grand presentation, announced in the top tier slot of Sony's final reveal at their conference. It'll be a PS4 console exclusive, and possibly have full (required?) VR support.
What? That's only valid for 7 months, even less if you consider that the PS4 launched later in Japan... People use these figures because they come from the shipment numbers from Sony's fiscal reports. I'm not even sure how you came to 46M either TBH.
The only valid comparison would be to get data for X months after launch at least for each major region, but that's impossible. And then again there are some serious price differences too.
For the record I don't think the PS4 is going to maintain what is roughly the same pace as the PS2 much longer, but your method is really not better either.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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This wont happen for the simple fact that both the PS4 and X1 are falling in price at almost double the pace of their predcessors and have alot more options in bundled software.
Its really getting to the point that the "other" console to your primary platform is at impulse buy prices 2 years in.
While i dont expect the PS+Xbox market to grow past last gens heights, in fact I feel in many terrotries its going to shrink, I expect this gen to have far more multiconsole owners than the last.
The Hell are you talking about?
serversurfer
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So, you were suggesting that Phil's sudden calls for a cease-fire are the result of finally meeting TimDog face-to-face, rather than the fact that Sony are beating him like a drum?
gundamkyoukai
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Both PS4 and X1 have you paying to play online so it is more expensive to own both consoles comapre to last gen.
Plus if you care about 3rd party games and Sony games you don't have to get 2 machines this gen.
I also expect this gen to be shorter which also going to effect things .
Along with MS IP not being a big draw to people , having less timed exclusive and more of there games going PC.
EDIT i also forget about PSVR where some of the hardcore may pick that up instead of another system .
The Artisan
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i don't get it, why does it matter that he said that after e3? crapgamer's always been a dogmatic, delusional (and apparently racist) fanboy before and after e3, through and through.
Ps4 was the fastest selling console at launch iirc. that never happened before, i.e breaking the record.
joecanada
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I'm not saying Wii is an atypical piece of tech it was a console for sure and it had widespread appeal. But I think it had some luck and appeared to hit the tablet market just before the tablets, mobile took over.
Do you feel anything even similar would be a hit again? I sure don't so, I think it could be termed an outlier. However Nintendo could come up with something cool again that had widespread appeal and I think they had a good idea to make wiiu with tablet they were following the trends... It just didn't execute as planned
Cthulhu_Steev
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Ironically, I bet the white supremacists at Crapgamer know loads of recipes with ricin (rice in).
It's 7 months and 3 weeks to NA launch and 8 months and 3 weeks to EU launch.
And this 7 months 3 weeks advantage isn't an "only" - this is a huge difference.
ps2 shipments 26 months after:
japan launch: 30 million
us launch: 46 million
meaning if you count from the us launch you add 16 million.
The first 8 months of the ps2 are basically dead weight.
Close to any console outships the ps2 the first ~8 months, consoles like the first XBox or the WiiU.
While the 3 months and 1 week the ps4 launched later in japan wouldn't result in any big difference (a few hundred thousand maybe).
Ofc you can't make a 100% fair comparison, but you at least can try to make it as fair
as possible.
There is no pace with the ps2.
The only reason it's ahead are the first 8 months and the longer the time, the less this advantage will matter, so it's obvious it at some point will fall behind cause it constantly sells less. This point will come this year.
And i disagree, my method shows with console was in more demand/sold faster.
I counted the shipments 26 months from the us launch -> ~50 mill. and then subtracted the shipments till the us launch (aka japan) -> ~4 mill. = 46 mill.
The development values also are proportional... Persona isn't a AAA game when it comes to costs.