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New trailer for The Division (3 minutes)
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TorZireael
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Are you kidding? They just showed mindless boring behind cover shooting upon bullet-sponge enemies.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
Some of us like mindless boring behind cover shooters with bullet-sponge enemies though. Not every game can be a fucking masterpiece.
TorZireael
Banned
So that's it? Two extremes? Either it's boring generic rubbish or it's a masterpiece?
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
Dunno was just being facetious. Fun is subjective. I've been looking forward to this since it was announced, I cooled on it a little bit but what they have been showing lately has got me more interested.
Trolling aside, most of GAF have likely never played a game by Massive Entertainment (since they've been RTS PC-only up to this point). I imagine most saw that they were purchased by Ubisoft and immediately jumped to "lulz Ubisoft" drive-by opinions. So many Division threads were nothing but drive-by posts in the wake of Watch Dogs and Unity, and it's somewhat understandable.
Massive is an excellent developer, and Ubisoft has given them a lot of resources to realize this game (more development time, brought on a bigger team, let them develop their own engine, etc). This type of game is something completely new for Massive, but I've always had faith they'd pull through.
Old gameplay pictures. Share your own compilations for comparison's sake.
dat looming downgrade, but I guess I'm a believer now since that 3min vid actually got me hopeful for the game
texhnolyze
Banned
"It takes a decade to build a reputation and 5 minutes to ruin it."
People will never forget Watch Dogs and Unity, and bring those games to every single Ubisoft game discussions in the future.
I played Assassin's Creed II and wrote off the series at that point, but I've been seriously thinking about picking up AC Unity just to experience the visuals on PC.
It's going to have to be ridiculously cheap because I'm not a fan of the simiplistic design and, of course, forced Uplay.
TorZireael
Banned
Ubisoft is funding them, they have full control over them, they take all the shots in the end. The only reason they allowed them to create their own engine is for internal use for other titles.
You wrote off the series after the best game in the franchise?
TorZireael
Banned
Believer in what?
For the game, I might actually look into how it is on release.
Biggest fear atm that there's a content drought ala Destiny on release.
Snkfanatic
Banned
Are you kidding? Someone things a game looks fun and it bothers you enough to post this?
What does that say about the series?
Unity is anything but simple, actually. Most of its flaws would have been ignored by the public if it had been easier. But yeah, do pick it up at some point. When there are no LoD bugs, it's quite spectacular.
TorZireael
Banned
I'm not allowed to question your definition of fun?
Feeling a little more optimistic about the game in general but end-game is still rather concerning. Once you complete the story, are the dark zones the only area left to loot etc in a dungeon sense? PvP is fine but I prefer high difficulty activities to complete PvE. I'd imagine if there was such a thing, they'd show it.
Machinehead
Member
It wasn't directed to me, but anyways:
I miss high TTK. It puts strategic gameplay upfront, ahead of twitchy reactions. It usually means you have to expertly move around the map and figure out new ways to tackle enemies, instead of just pulling auto-aim with L2 and pushing R2 as quickly as you can.
Besides, they showed some pretty different enemies and settings, something I wasn't expecting from such a game (a Ubisoft one, nonetheless). I expected a monotone, online focused New York, I saw plenty of different factions and underground scenarios.
The only thing that makes me less excited is that it is online only, but the trailer was ace, nonetheless.
texhnolyze
Banned
This is actually my main concern regarding this game.
Is there any other endgame activities, especially pve, other than the dark zone?
I'm not 100% against pvp, but if it's the only option I can say goodbye to this game completely.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
No. Fun is subjective. You can't call someone else on their definition judging them by your own.
You think it looks boring, good for you.
TorZireael
Banned
The high TTK in itself is not the problem, the issue is that it will be used as an excuse for bad, uninteresting AI.
TorZireael
Banned
What a fantastic revelation. Did I say otherwise somewhere?
That does not prevent me from questioning or criticizing what you think.
Hm, how do you know that?
TorZireael
Banned
That's how game design works and has worked for a very long time, the gameplay shown so far shows it.
This is my concern as well, but it wouldn't surprise me, as going PVP for the end game is the cheapest and less time intensive for the devs.
Camp Freddie
Member
I'm just waiting for the Premium I<3NYC Ultimate DarkZone edition that comes where the steelbook case is made from genuine steel recycled from an NYC car door and opened using an iconic car door handle.
"High TTK = boring AI" is an absurd statement.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
Is that how you get your kicks, criticising someone for thinking a game looks fun?
I'm done here.
TorZireael
Banned
Which is why I've never made it and which is why you resort to straw mans.
You're ridiculous.
It's fine to say that you don't think something looks good, but when you quote someone and directly question them on what they think looks fun, you look like a dick.
Just say your piece and move on. Or if you want to engage someone, ask them why they think it looks good, not just s dismissive "ur taste is shit".
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Seems like you are going to be quite the great poster and a fantastic addition to GAF....
On topic, I have been going over the videos with a fine tooth comb, and looking at some of the online comparisons. Most of the effects from the original reveal seem to still be in.
The ones that are up in the air are some of the "procedural destruction" and the Global Illumination, which looked great, but seems to be missing from all XBO footage. Hopefully it is retained on PC. Because that alone made the game look soooo much better.
Also one of the videos noticed ice/snow no longer melts with fire/explosions. At least in the latest footage. Along with some real time reflections being replaced by cube maps, although the ground seems to still use screenspace.
Overall, still a great looking game regardless, but I just really hope they still retained the ability to crank it up to 11 on PC.
TorZireael
Banned
What kicks? Please don't project onto me.
Machinehead
Member
Not necessarily, and, besides, if they can make the encounters fun, the AI doesn't have to be ultra smart. I'm all for great AI - I still love and praise and miss FEAR - but I'd be happy if the game revolves around smartly using tools, verticality, cover positioning, etc to kill dumb, bullet-sponge enemies. I would trust more in developers making quality encounter design than making smart AI, which is even rarer.
And, regarding PVP, high TTK is an improvement by itself. No over reliance on connection quality (or see first, kill first, no reactions allowed).
TorZireael
Banned
Unless footage explicitly states "Captured on Xbox One/PS4", it is PC footage.
AC Syndicate and AC Black Flag are legitimately great games - even outside the realm of the Assassin's Creed series.
Unity is also very good, and graphically it is a masterpiece. Gameplaywise it is still deeply flawed like 1, 2, Broth, Rev, 3 and Rogue.
Somehow Syndicate and BF have elevated themselves above that tedium.
Also every single game in the series is a masterpiece of world design, even if the gameplay and encounter design is often messed up. Like, I buy them all happily full price because the gameworlds are just so mindblowing and fantastic to be in.
In Mart's defence, you seem to be making the same distinction. In your argument "cover mechanics" = "boring and mindless".
I don't think the gameplay on show looks very good at all either, but I'm not going to go deep into hyperbole like you are. You can't possibly no this stuff until you play the game.
If you tried the alpha then came to this conclusion; fair enough.
TorZireael
Banned
I said that cover mechanics + bullet sponge enemies + unchallenging mindless shooting mechanics = boring.
This is taken from marketing material that is supposed to excite you and make you interested in the game, it's supposed to be showing the best that the game has to offer, and this is what we get?
Tr1Cky_Tr33
Member
Well it seems like it did work for other people, as the interest/hype level is increasing.
We got that for you the game is boring, it doesn't have to be like that for everyone else.
Personally, I can't wait for it to be out and try it on with my friends.
TorZireael
Banned
How are you measuring hype?
I am not measuring hype, but given the fact that many threads regarding this game in the past were all about downgrade, being doomed forever, being a car crash etc. it seems to me that after the Alpha, the interest has indeed come back a little, by reading about it here and elsewhere.
I don't need to measure hype, cause I don't really care. To me the game looks like fun in multiplayer (and partially in single) and that is what I've always wanted it to be.
It wouldn't surprise me if they announce exclusive content later on if the Xbox One got an exclusive alpha, but as of right now nothing announce iirc
Yeah it's weird because I would expect Microsoft would want to tell everyone if the had some exclusive content at this point.
I did find this IGN article mentioning timed exclusive content but no details as to how long, and the article is from E3 '14 so it could very well have changed at this point:
The weird part is that they are talking about receiving exclusive content first. Is it exclusive or timed? Ah well I'm sure we'll here something sooner rather than later.
It's boring in principle, I agree, but neither you nor I have no idea how it will play or control in execution. You can't know that until you play the game. Marketing material can often have no bearing on how good a game is. Batman: Arkham Asylum was expected to be B-tier at least, but probably shit-tier, before it came out, based on its marketing. "Dull brawling + generic beefcake enemies + simple and generic stealth = boring". But when it was in our hands? The package was greater than the sum of its parts - as a videogame product it was holistically designed and high quality.
Cover mechanics, bullet sponge enemies, and generic shooting mechanics don't make any game boring by default. There is more to most games (and indeed The Division) than that - eg environmental threats, emergent AI behaviours, encounter parameters, RPG mechanics (which can often make almost anything fun), etc.
Again, I don't plan on playing the game here, but you're judging the whole on a fraction of its parts and again from marketing material which is by definition a narrow scope of what the game is like.