Nah. He looked weak and made Trump look compassionate, patriotic (USA!), and a leader all at once.
Republican Debate 6 [Fox Business] Super PAC Fighter 2 Turbo
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Nah. He looked weak and made Trump look compassionate, patriotic (USA!), and a leader all at once.
PopcornMegaphone
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After debates I see polling data for specific groups all the time. Cruz almost always nails it even if the talking heads don't realize it. Cruz uses polling data better than anyone else campaigning right now.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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If only Howard Byaah was back...
Dude Abides
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Trump did miss an opportunity to work a reference to the Goldman loan into the NYC exchange.
cpp_is_king
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I don't know which article sums it up best as there are hundreds, so here's a Google link.
https://www.google.com/search?q=turbotax+lobbying
He might of so far but I think you'll see Cruz go backwards honestly after tonight.
I think he was legit pissed off at the New York diss and (maybe) had a genuine moment; adding the Goldman stuff in there would've meant politics as usual.
or a Canadian line
Byakuya769
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Bruce Springsteen
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Was a brilliant response actually
PopcornMegaphone
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If he does I doubt it will be significant. He's running by far the best campaign in the GOP field right now. I'm telling you he's not speaking to the avg GAFer in these debates and I strongly believe his base is eating up what he's saying.
I say this as a Cruz hater.
OrangeGrayBlue
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Agreed. The crowd was hostile when the moderators brought it up the first time. The GOP would have viewed it as a "gotcha" moment.
His base isn't enough to win much more than Iowa, which I'm skeptical he'll be able to do much more with that performance at this point.
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That's why it worked so well, it wasn't a political moment. For just an instant Trump managed to be a human being.
PopcornMegaphone
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He's polling great in South Carolina and New Hampshire he's 2nd.
Rewatch it, Trump was pissssed. That was the most honest emotion I've ever seen from him. He had a dead cold stare on his face.
Trump is ahead by double digits in both states if you look at poll aggregates.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-new-hampshire-presidential-republican-primary
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-south-carolina-presidential-republican-primary
Unless there's a big shake up in his favour he isn't winning those.
So I can't bring myself to watch the Kids Table debate. Any standout moments there? Carly try to convince us that the sky isn't blue? Santorun make any funny faces? Huckabee gleefully imagine torturing more people at Guantanamo Bay?
Edit: Watching closing statement from Cruz now. What a freaking huckster. How this guy missed his calling as a car salesman I'll never know. He could make a fortune.
Edit: Watching closing statement from Cruz now. What a freaking huckster. How this guy missed his calling as a car salesman I'll never know. He could make a fortune.
PopcornMegaphone
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He can't win NH, but I think SC is doable once other candidates are bloodied from the first two primary state elections. I also think Trump is going to under-perform his polls.
It's not a lock, but Cruz is in great shape.
EatinOlives
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He had apparently been trumpeting the "New York values!" soundbite for a while now, prior to the debate. I'm sure he thought he had just come with something super super clever.
Aaron Strife
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"New York values" reminds me of the first episode of West Wing with the Christian lobbyist complaining about the White House staff's "New York sense of humor," which Leo translates to Jew.
Honestly fuck any Republican for dumping on New York like your states are ever any fucking better. Go sit on your porch and stroke your guns
Honestly fuck any Republican for dumping on New York like your states are ever any fucking better. Go sit on your porch and stroke your guns
No. There was nothing redeeming about the bottom tier debate.
Other candidates getting bloodied may well mean more support for Trump is the issue I see there. Carson would basically need to exit and give all his support to Cruz, but then I think we're in major shakeup territory.
I'll be interested to see where Carson's supporters go once he realizes presidents have to work on Saturdays and drops out. The hardcore religious types will likely go to Cruz, but the people who think that the person best suited for the hardest political job in the world should be someone who has zero experience in politics may swing to Trump.
I still think Trump is going to have a "coming out" moment as a hardcore Christian at some point soon. Someone is going to challenge him about his lack of religion (he has no need for a god other than himself), and Trump is going to tell a story about how a friend of his has been doing devotions with him on the campaign trail. He will become deeply emotional and talk about how he never thought he needed Jesus in his life, but his eyes have been opened now and he's doing his best to walk a new path. The base will eat it UP and Trump will sail to the nomination.
Yeah Cruz got fucked up. Trump invoked 9-11 at an actual appropriate time and eviscerated Cruz. The thing about Trump is that he stays in his lane unless you attack him, then he devastates with counters. Cruz went on the attack and he ended up in traction.
cpp_is_king
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It was such a weird thing for him to attack about though. Cruz is smart, but what compelled him to insult a whole state? It doesn't matter if it's New York or Wyoming, it's just fucking weird to call out a whole state as being full of dumbasses, even if you know that's not where your case is.
Ninja Scooter
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He thought he was being cute and would appeal to his base, but Trump turned it around into a way (MURICA FREEDOM TERRORISM!) that even the base can't get mad at.
AstroNut325
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I didn't watch. Was there any meaningful policy discussion? Or any policy discussion at all? Or was it all just talking points?
cpp_is_king
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Yea I guess. You could see the look on Cruz's face too when he realized what was happening. He looked like he was about to start sweating bullets.
Bam Bam Baklava
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The best moment to me was when Trump was responding to that dumbass comment and Cruz actually had to applaud his own evisceration as Trump mentioned the response to the attack.
There were a few minutes on trade, tax and entitlement policy not much else
Cruz actually pointed out how meaningless it is to ask goo candidates about gun rights, which I enjoyed
Sarah Palin did a similar thing talking about "Real America". It's a divide and conquer tactic that relies on tensions that go back 50 years or more. The problem is that here Trump called Cruz on it and blacked both of his eyes.
hydragonwarrior
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Guys, what if though, we're all thinking too logically about this? To us, we saw Trump eviscerate Cruz.
BUT, to the rightwing crazy Repub, what if we just saw Cruz handling the response well and getting the one up on Trump by showing he was presidential while Trump got emotional?
You never know...
BUT, to the rightwing crazy Repub, what if we just saw Cruz handling the response well and getting the one up on Trump by showing he was presidential while Trump got emotional?
You never know...
You never know with Cruz -- this is a guy who couldn't resist using his Biden laugh line right after Biden's son died
Then Cruz fucked up by clapping.
BreezyLimbo
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Yup. Cruz set himself up perfectly and Trump not only bit, but devoured Cruz.
If Cruz had any hope of being president, he nailed himself on the cross with his feeble attack on Trump.
EatinOlives
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I mean I know most everything in this debate is braindead pandering to preconceived notions, but the trashing of New York makes absolutely no sense when applying any logic to it. I mean, I get exactly why they're doing that. It's divisive "lululu librul zoo york!!" bullshit but it plays well with the incredibly uninformed base that likely hasn't traveled more than 200 miles from where they were born their entire lives. A lot of people just eat that shit up.
However, this isn't a "lululu I hate X city" debate, this is one for the presidency. They're really gonna trot out bullshit "my city is better than your city" dick-waving in the middle of this thing? Especially when you consider the fact that yes, New York is actually more emblematic of the US than practically any other city in the country (except maybe LA). It's the symbol of the United States in many aspects. It's exactly why the World Trade Center was targeted, because they wanted to strike at the "heart" of the country.
Then you have a clown like Cruz trying to act like it's some sort of weird foreign "enemy" territory you have to shit on to get people to prop you up. The saddest (and funniest) part of all this is that it was Trump of all people to point this out.
I know this is becoming a tired meme at this point, but nothing can describe that pathetic exchange better than youjustplayedyourself.gif.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Yeah, I mean we all know it meant broad social liberalism at best, treating minorities as equals at worst but by starting something he couldn't really finish on live tv he handed his neck to Trump.
Cruz's rambling was giving me major douche chills. Trump tapped into a vein of sentiment and did it without appearing insincere or mawkish about it.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but Cruz's moralistic tirade on the corruption of the New Babylon has more in common with actual religious extremists than any view that Obama purportedly shares with them.
Ted Cruz said:
I'm sure he thinks that plays real well on the stump.
Cruz is a true believer with a superiority complex, and apparently he's pretty tone deaf. I'm glad Trump gave him the smack down, even if I dislike both.
Probably was the most substantiative debate yet due to the couple questions on trade deficits, businesses avoiding US taxes, tariffs, and corporate tax strategies. It was actually quite jarring and out of place with the rest of the debate being a shit show as normal.
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